Most Stable Group C / LMP [Edited to be shorter]

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Short Version:: What is the most stable group C / LMP? Whats the difference between a car in GT mode and that same car in Arcade? Is a toyota GT-1 a group c racer?




So I've been reading hundreds of posts here and learning tons. Thanks all for sharing your experiments and vast knowledge with n00bs like me.

Anyways, This is what I know so far. (Please correct me if I am wrong.)

-The 88-cv (Minolta) is the fastest car IF you can control it. Which I can't atleast for now.

-The Pesky '04 is the fastest at Le mans

-The Pesky '03 is best on tire wear

-GT-One has the fastest top speed. (Is a GT-1 a group c car?)

-The R89c is nearly impossible to get.

But what I don't know and would very much like to know is Which Group C / LMP car is the most stable. That is, which car is most controllable at high speeds like 230-250mph and which one handles best on bumpy tracks like Nurb.

I really have a lot of trouble at controlling the minolta at nurb and seem to spin out EVERYTIME i brake at high speeds. Personally, I think the C-9 is pretty rock solid, but I havent driven all of the cars enough to really make an accurate assumption. Plus I would argue that my C9 has really good settings for Nurb and it could have been a "good" day for me. Whereas i feel like i could get a lot more out of my minolta's settings and it could have been a "bad" day.

Also, how should i fine tune for nurb?

One last thing, I watched the video of the 4.44 min nurb lap. and WOW. How did he do that? How does he keep so much control on that minolta? He didnt even come close to loosing control. He could take turns at full throttle where i have to hit them at 4 or 5 gear. Is he just really good or have really good settings or am i really that bad? The best lap i got was a 5.40 with my fully tuned c9.

Sorry for the long post.
 
I think that the vid was made in arcade mode.. I've seen it.
 
4.44 nurb lap? I couldn't do that in the F18 Hornet. Link Please!

And as far as stability, I would think that has alot to do with the car on which track and what settings of course. The Pesky is very stable for me all around. Alot of those super fast cars are unstable at very high speed and braking except the pesky for me. I can't shake that thing into a spin if I wanted to with the way I have it set, and it turns great. I would think that tunings will make all the difference with stability on tracks and also driving styles so to generally state "xx car is the most stable" is hard to say. Raw power is obvious as is tire wear.
 
Leonidae
I think that the vid was made in arcade mode.. I've seen it.
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Yes, do a search and you will find it. It was done in arcade with full power, and the least amount of weight. This question has been asked a couple times before.

Although many people have claimed to make the video, if you do a search you will find it.
 
Can anyone answer my question? What stock Group C / LMP car is the most stable? Also Is a GT-1 a group C car? Whats the difference between the same car in GT mode than in Arcade mode?
 
Master_Yoda
Yes, do a search and you will find it. It was done in arcade with full power, and the least amount of weight. This question has been asked a couple times before.

Although many people have claimed to make the video, if you do a search you will find it.
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It's all very well and good telling people to search, but why don't you do a search and see if you can find it.
 
[IKickPigeons]
Can anyone answer my question? What stock Group C / LMP car is the most stable? Also Is a GT-1 a group C car? Whats the difference between the same car in GT mode than in Arcade mode?
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1.Stable?

2.No, its a GTP/GT1, Gran Turismo Prototype that ran in lemans in '99. Finished 2nd overall, 1st in class.

3.The difference is that in arcade mode the hp and weight adjustments are completely different and you cannot adjust settings. In GT mode, the cars can ahave upgrades and changed settings.
Another difference is that all cars have their brand new power figure and chassis, so used cars can be tested as if they are new.
 
Thanks all for the help. IMO i find the c9 to be the most rock hard at high speeds and is generally the most stable car. The GT-one and R8/C60 are a close seconds though.
 
daan
It's all very well and good telling people to search, but why don't you do a search and see if you can find it.
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Cause i had to leave for school at that moment...

But when i have time, i DO, do a search for them.
 
Master_Yoda
Cause i had to leave for school at that moment...

But when i have time, i DO do a search for them.
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:lol: you said do do...
I searched and did not find anything
 
opendriver19a
:lol: you said do do...
I searched and did not find anything
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I'm talking about the video...


O yeah.. um.. i did that do do on purpose.. :D :rolleyes:
 
Yes, that has always been on my mind, but since I haven't been around the GT4 Forum I've been missing out. Anyways how is it quite possible to manage that time lap on a bloody car like the Toyota Minolta, that car squirms like a worm at high speeds. I also loose control, so if anyone knows the thread which discusses more of this can you please post, and how would I be able to tune this Group-C cars down and tame them down to be some slick rides? As well as the Formula cars, since those are difficult to drive at the Nub.
 
I generally find that increasing ride height, and softening the springs and stabilisers helps at the 'ring.
 
Moloch_horridus
I generally find that increasing ride height, and softening the springs and stabilisers helps at the 'ring.
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Yes, now I recall that increasing the ride height of my Formula car help it stay more stable on the 'Ring. But whats the actual thing that helps them Group C cars stay stable? Or is the ride height and springs is only the trick?
 
Bentley
Yes, now I recall that increasing the ride height of my Formula car help it stay more stable on the 'Ring. But whats the actual thing that helps them Group C cars stay stable? Or is the ride height and springs is only the trick?
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Having a maximum downforce is an absolute necesary on the ring. Whereas on a course like sarthe you can get away with a lower downforce settings. By the highspeed braking and turns on the ring makes it necesary to have the highest DF setting. Maybe adjusting shock bound and rebound. To my limited knowledge on tuning, it is redundant to have a low spring rate and high ride height when your bound and rebound settings are tuned acordingly. I hope this helps. check out gtvault.com for some really good tuning tips and set ups.
 
have you tried google video?
 
Leonidae
have you tried google video?
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Yeah. I found it with google video. I didnt want to have to get the whole google video download and everything to keep the file (without having to link it, ie a wmv or mpg or something). I just decided to take the google route in the end though since you mentioned that so quickly, as there prolly arent many alternatives after my searching. Thanks anyways though 👍

Now im gonna work on getting into that range myself. I've definately got ring skills, and am completely addicted to that course. If (and presumably when) I get into that range I prolly start bumping the old threads from his updates. Wish me luck. :cheers:

And to throw my two cents in on the original topic... all the group C cars are amazing and pretty easy to win with in almost any race imo, so I tend to just go with whichever one suits my mood for the day. If you can only buy one at the moment (for those who are just getting into the game), I'd say just pick whichever one makes you say "wow that car looks amazing" when you look at it. They all behave slightly different from one another, but I cant say any of them are a letdown. You can eventualy get them all.

As for the most stable of them all... I'm not really sure to be honest. The two Nissan (R89/92) are extremely stable as are the two Peskies. My favorite of the bunch is the Audi R8 to be honest, but it is most definately not the most stable. They all drive slightly different, but are all fun to master. Tinker with the settings until it suits your style of driving.

As for improving times on the ring and with any track in general: The key to being fast is to be smooth. Good smooth entry = good exit. Fast entry often = slower exit. Unnecessarily slow entry is oviously worse than a "good smooth" entry. If you can get you brake zones correct and consistently hit your marks, your times will improve.

My best advice for improving times is to do the license tests and go for 80 gold. This may be unreasonable for some, but running each and every test over and over against your ghost until you get golds is very productive in improving your racing skill. Its basically a crash course in racing physics. Youll quickly realize that the fastest way around the entire course may not be what you think. Watch the license demos to see how they got it, and compare to your initial strategy. Practice makes perfect, the guy who turned the 4.44 lap says it himself in his threads. It takes a LONG time to get that good. Just put in the work, try different strategies, and its posisble to get there too.
 
Just for information:

The Audi R8 tops out at 370 kmh while the GT-ONE does 366 kmh...


Well, at least in my game :dopey:
 
How on earth could he go that fast!


He takes corners with almost 300 kmh :dunce:
 
I prefer the 787B; the used black one.

- Not too much horsepower, but plenty of torque.
- Stable and controllable with no driving aids on (get chassis refresh first).
- Sucks up corners like a vacuum.
- It's good enough to beat the AI and make a close race.
 
pupik
I prefer the 787B; the used black one.

- Not too much horsepower, but plenty of torque.
- Stable and controllable with no driving aids on (get chassis refresh first).
- Sucks up corners like a vacuum.
- It's good enough to beat the AI and make a close race.
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Amen
 
I have yet to get the Bentley Speed 8 or Nissan R89 but the Sauber C9 handles the best on my limited testing of it. Last night I ran 4 laps each at Sarthe II with Racing: Medium tires using the Mazda 787B, BMW V12 LMR, BMW F1 GTR, Nissan R390 GT-1, Playstation/Pescarolo C60, Toyota GT-One, Nissan R92CP, Audi R8, Toyota Minolta and the Sauber C9 and there are definitely discrepancies in my tests which I will look into further tonight or tomorrow but the Sauber C9 finished a minimum of 5 seconds faster each lap than the other cars mentioned above. I enjoyed the V12 LMR and the Nissan R92CP. I was really disappointed with the R8 since I have found that to be a great car but I think it's because I need to give it a Rigidity Refresher Plan since it has a few thousand miles on it without one and maybe I'll give it another go.

I'll also test out the 'Ring and report back.
 
Whatupdet

You definatly need to do a chassis refresh on that R8. My cars seem to accept one every 250 miles or so. They will help performance significantly.
 
[IKickPigeons]
whatupdet

You definatly need to do a chassis refresh on that R8. My cars seem to accept one every 250 miles or so. That will help performance significantly.
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Yeah I know, I did one last night and reran Sarthe II and my time drastically improved to be on par with the Sauber C9 and a few others.
 
Im thinking of buying the BMW LMR just because i have 5 mill now. I already have the other LMP's and all of the group c cars, plus the gt1/r390. So how is the BMW? Is it worth buying?
 
[IKickPigeons]
Im thinking of buying the BMW LMR just because i have 5 mill now. I already have the other LMP's and all of the group c cars, plus the gt1/r390. So how is the BMW? Is it worth buying?
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I like it, it accelerates quick and handles very nicely, much better than the McLaren F1 GTR. Handling wise I'd say it was top 5 when compared to the other Group C/LMP cars.
 
Well, the Group C car i prefer is the (often forgotten) Peugeot 905 due to its ease of handling in high speeds. Acctually I think it is better than the Pescarolo(s). Can anyone see if they are faster around the Nurb' or Sarthe? I'm not such a good driver that I could get equal laps.
 
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