MotoGP 2007

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This is my first attempt at offering MotoGP discussion. This thread is designated for discussion of MotoGP action this year. The MotoGP World Championship is obviously the key series to watch. However, you're also free to discuss the 250cc and 125cc classes. I won't offer too much more to talk about, other than I wish Nicky Hayden well. I love Nicky Hayden. He was great in AMA Superbike, and great in MotoGP. Question is- how well can he remain the beacon of hope for an American rider to be the best in the world (remember that I'm not pro-American. I just love watching this guy). Can Honda remain a formidable brand in MotoGP? Or do groups like Yamaha or Ducati (I love Ducatis) make some noise?

Moto GP 2007 in the house. So let's talk MotoGP for 2007!
 
I'll do what I can to help you keep this thread up to date over the year. Thanks for starting it up for us. Here is the race schedule and the standings after round one.

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2007 MotoGP calendar

March 10** Qatar Doha/Losail
Round 1 top 10 finishers

1 Casey Stoner Ducati AUS 43'2.788
2 Valentino Rossi Yamaha ITA 0'2.838
3 Daniel Pedrosa Honda ESP 0'8.530
4 John Hopkins Suzuki USA 0'9.071
5 Marco Melandri Honda ITA 0'17.433
6 Colin Edwards Yamaha USA 0'18.647
7 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki AUS 0'22.916
8 Nicky Hayden Honda USA 0'23.057
9 Alex Barros Ducati BRA 0'25.961
10 Shinya Nakano Honda JPN 0'28.456

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March 25 Spain Jerez de la Frontera
April 22 Turkey Istanbul
May 6 China Shanghai
May 20 France Le Mans
June 3 Italy Mugello
June 10 Catalunya Catalunya
June 24 Great Britain Donington Park
June 30 ** Netherlands Assen
July 15 Germany Sachsenring
July 22 United States * Laguna Seca
August 19 Czech Republic Brno
September 2 San Marino & Riviera di Rimini Misano
September16 Portugal Estoril
September23 Japan Motegi
October 14 Australia Phillip Island
October 21 Malaysia Sepang
November 4 Valencia Ricardo Tormo – Valencia


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Rider Standings - March 10, 2007
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Points

1. Casey Stoner Ducati AUS 25
2. Valentino Rossi Yamaha ITA 20
3. Daniel Pedrosa Honda ESP 16
4. John Hopkins Suzuki USA 13
5. Marco Melandri Honda ITA 11
6. Colin Edwards Yamaha USA 10
7. Chris Vermeulen Suzuki AUS 9
8. Nicky Hayden Honda USA 8
9. Alex Barros Ducati BRA 7
10. Shinya Nakano Honda JPN 6
11. Alex Hofmann Ducati GER 5
12. Olivier Jacque Kawasaki FRA 4
13. Kenny Roberts KR212V USA 3
14. Toni Elias Honda ESP 2
15. Sylvain Guintoli Yamaha FRA 1

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Race Results - Stoner Takes First Win on Ducati
Fiat Yamaha Team rider Valentino Rossi finished second in the inaugural Grand Prix of the 800cc era today after losing out in a close battle with Casey Stoner (Ducati), who took his first MotoGP win.

After starting from pole position for the 46th time in his career, Rossi got a good start but surrendered his lead to the eventual winner as they crossed the line at the end of the first lap with Dani Pedrosa (Honda) and John Hopkins (Suzuki) in close contention.

From then on seven-time World Champion Rossi stalked the Australian youngster with both showing their strength in different parts of the track; Rossi's Yamaha was generally faster in the corners whilst the Ducati claimed the advantage on the straights.

With four laps to go Rossi made his move and passed but Stoner passed him back over the line and Rossi was unable to stay with him in the final few laps. Stoner eventually took the checkered flag 2.8 seconds clear of Rossi with Pedrosa just holding on for third ahead of Hopkins.

After being consistently fast throughout the practice sessions and also starting from the front row in third, today was not to be Colin Edwards' day and a small slide off the start line saw him lose his grid position into turn one before dropping to seventh by the end of the first lap. The Texan had a few problems during the race and was unable to make it back up to the front group, settling into a best position of fifth before Marco Melandri (Honda) eventually relegated him to sixth with three laps to go.
 
Congrats to Casey Stoner on his first win in Moto GP. He looked fast but temperamental last season but i think the whole Ducati package will work better for him than last years Honda.

I think Qatar is a bit of an oddball track as a guide for season predictions. but i'll stick my neck out and say that the following is how i expect the riders championship to finish:

1. Rossi
2. Pedrosa
3. Caparossi
4. Stoner
5. Hayden or Edwards

The new 800s are at least as quick as, if not quicker than last years bikes - which i'm sure is as much a shock to the organisers as it is to the fans. However, for me, i always really enjoyed watching the riders slide their bikes under heavy braking into the corners - something that seems to be lacking in these new era machines.
 
1. Rossi
2. Pedrosa
3. Caparossi
4. Stoner
5. Hayden or Edwards

Although I didn't get to watch the race to see how the riders looked on the 800's, I would have predicted that Hayden would have finished better and should be ranked higher as a contender. I say this because with the reduction in power I thought the bikes might be closer to the AMA superbikes that he rode here in the states, Maybe making him more comfortable. It didn't look like it turned out that way. Its going to take a few races to see which manufacture and rider have the best combination for the 800's
 
Rossi's Yamaha looked seriously underpowered down the straights at Qatar, Stoner and I think Pedrosa(?) simply drove past him several times along the pit straight. He was fast enough in the turns, but Stoner especially could just drive away from him once they were pointed in a straight line and that eventually cost Rossi the win.

If Yamaha can sort out the bike's speed in a straight line I think Rossi should have it in the bag this year. If that's really all the bike has to give, well...Rossi's going to have to pull off some awesome riding in the corners at the faster circuits.
 
Up until last year I thought Rossi was invincible. Even on a lesser bike (the First year with Yamaha) he had crushed everyone on a given day. But last year he just seemed to be pushing it so hard, which led to many mistakes. His on the edge riding got him in some trouble. At least the rest of the field now knows he is beatable. He has lost that "in your head" factor of you can't beat him.
 
I think last season Rossi made the Yamaha look good. His team mate Edwards, who'd been pretty dominant in WSB, was well off his pace for the majority of the season. Rossi has the ability to make an average machine run at the sharp end. He always seems to be in control of the race and can just turn it upto eleven when necessary. Take away the first 1/3rd or 1/4 of last season and Hayden wouldn't have stood a chance.
 
I think last season Rossi made the Yamaha look good.
Rossi could make scooter look good. GO Rossi GO
His team mate Edwards, who'd been pretty dominant in WSB, was well off his pace for the majority of the season.
Its amazing to see AMA, WSB riders have trouble in MotoGP. It shows how MotoGP truly have the best of the best.
Take away the first 1/3rd or 1/4 of last season and Hayden wouldn't have stood a chance.
ORRR....take this little incident away and he walks away with the championship with ease.

 
Oh Dani, Dani, Dani... how did you manage to keep your ride after this?



ORRR....take this little incident away and he walks away with the championship with ease.

Well, i guess that's true also.
 
Oh Dani, Dani, Dani... how did you manage to keep your ride after this?

This little artical would explain why he didn't lose his ride. I wanted to just copy and paste but that darn GP web site locks everything tightly down. Click the "padrosa sets podium record".

Boy wonder
 
There's no doubting the boys got talent. Shame he has zero personality.
 
We are lucky just to get a race covered here in the US, so other than Rossi we don't hear much about personality that riders do or don't have. We do get our home town boys information of course.
 
I should have done this about one or two weeks ago if the first race took place on March 10th. I have nothing serious to say here for this thread, so I'll just allow you to keep this discusison going. Thank you all for your support.
 
Yep, good on Casey to finally win it, and it was an incredible race. For some reason or another i've never been a Rossi fan, and its good to see that theres someone else than Melandri or Hayden out there that can beat him.
 
I wish I had a channel that regularly showed me MotoGP races, but it looks like I'm going to have to come to this thread for updates. I'm glad that this is at least here.

After reading up on the change from 990s to 800s, I think we need to wait and see what happens after a few races into the season and see what sort of problems the riders end up having. While the 800s are actually not as powerful as the 990s, they are turning faster laps, lighter, and making the riders go from trying to keep the back end nailed down to keeping the front end pointed in the right direction (you may or may not notice, but generally the riders are now sitting more forward in their seats than they were when the 990s were in the bikes). Of course, as much as I also like to see a little smoke show in and out of corners, I also understand how important it is to get the most life out of a tire, and sliding around like there's no tomorrow is gonna shred these new crazy tires that the companies are coming up with to pieces and put these riders at even greater risk. So while the whole traction and wheelie controls bit seems to make the racing seem less pure in my eyes, I can appreciate the safety it can provide when (inevitably) a rider makes a move that would normally get him spat off of the bike or both sliding off into the gravel. Maybe he can't make that pass this time around because of it, but at the same time he can adjust and figure out a different way or a different place to pass without overdriving the machine.

The other thing being that I'm expecting a lot of these engines to end up breaking down more than usual throughout the season. An 800cc engine will have to rev a hell of a lot higher than a 990 to make similar power, and it's pretty easy to see how that can lead to problems.

As for how competitive Honda will be, I think that they'll be pretty formidable since they have plenty of (good and bad) info from Hayden's previous season on the prototype. However, I do get very happy seeing a Ducati dust everything else on the grid when the road straightens out. It's still got a longer wheelbase than just about everything else out there, so it's not going to corner as well, as we observed in the first race of the season, but at least it's not deficient everywhere. I am looking forward to seeing a lot of different people from the norm on the podium and a much more competitive season that may get a possibility of say, 5 riders in close competition for a championship than just two people battling it out with everyone else way behind on the points.


Thanks for making the thread JohnBM01. Hope it stays good discussion.
 
Have any of you been on a bike with traction control. I wonder what that feels like? Does it make the bike feel like it is bogging down? How does it effect the RPM of the motor?

The sensation must seem odd that you twist the throttle and the bike doesn't respond. Its obvious that in the end it makes the bike faster but I just itch to see how it would feel for myself.
 
I wish I had a channel that regularly showed me MotoGP races, but it looks like I'm going to have to come to this thread for updates. I'm glad that this is at least here.
Speed shows the race on every Sunday at around 4pm (not live) and then again on like Wednesday during the day. I set my PVR to record it and I watch it either Sunday or Monday.

I watched the race today. It was just OK, not too much action. It was amusing to see all those guys pass Hayden one after one. I am mostly happy that Colin Edwards got a good finish and that Chris Vermeulen finished in top 10. Shame about John Hopkins, he was set for a good finish. :indiff:
 
Maybe its just the first couple of tracks visited in the 2007 season, but it would seem to me that the 800's are not providing the close racing that the 990's were.
 
Dani Pedrosa is a tiny fella ain't he?

Got more into MotoGP these last two season, incredible drivers, great skill to control such a machine. Enjoyed Rossi's celebrations too!

Bit hard to judge after 2 races isn't it, TheCracker?
 
Once again I didn't get to watch the race but here are the complete results and current standings after race two. Nicky...Nicky...Nicky...
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:nervous: At least my favorite brand is winning!
Go Yamaha!

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MotoGP Jerez Results:
1. Valentino Rossi (Fiat Yamaha) 45'53.340
2. Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda) + 1.246
3. Colin Edwards (Fiat Yamaha) + 2.701

4. Toni Elias (Honda Gresini) + 4.351
5. Casey Stoner (Ducati Marlboro) + 4.993
6. Carlos Checa (Honda LCR) + 10.000
7. Nicky Hayden (Repsol Honda) + 14.146
8. Marco Melandri (Honda Gresini) + 19.969
9. Chris Vermeulen (Rizla Suzuki) + 24.786
10. Shinya Nakano (Konica Minolta Honda) + 24.955
11. Alex Barros (Pramac d'Antin) + 25.008
12. Loris Capirossi (Ducati Marlboro) + 25.852
13. Randy de Puniet (Kawasaki Racing) + 26.445
14. Makoto Tamada (Yamaha Tech 3) + 36.653
15. Sylvain Guintoli (Yamaha Tech 3) + 36.744
16. Kenny Roberts Junior (Team Roberts) + 48.911
17. K. Akiyoshi (Suzuki) + 1'00.784
18. Olivier Jacque (Kawasaki Racing) + 1'00.901
19. John Hopkins (Rizla Suzuki) + 1'03.371

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Championship Standings:
1. Rossi - 45
2. Stoner - 36
3. Pedrosa - 36

4. Edwards - 26
5. Melandri -19
6. Hayden - 17
7. Vermeulen - 16
8. Elias - 15
9. Hopkins - 13
10. Nakano - 12

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No racing for a month so here is a few videos to tide you over.

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MotoGP is ready to have a little Turkey. And it looks like the series is heading to the Istanbul Circuit. Let me tell you something. That is a pretty great track. It's sort of fast, sort of technical, but it all flows very nicely. The first half of the course is a blend of wavy-like sections in addition of some decisively sharp corners. There are two very sharp areas. The first truly sharp corner leads to the fastest part of the track. The second truly sharp corner leads to a section that's kind of like a collection of corners on a street course. I've always said that the Istanbul Circuit has a very nice pit building structure. I sort of commented it as almost an upscale shopping strip mall.

Any thoughts on the race at Istanbul? Don't forget this this thread is not only about MotoGP's World Championship, but some of the other classes of MotoGP racing. So feel free to share your mind on all things MotoGP as racing in Istanbul for this weekend. Thanks to UNOMoto's posted schedule, China's next after Istanbul. So who'll get it done in Istanbul?
 
MotoGP - Round 3 - Istanbul, Turkey

Best race of the season so far!

• Stoner takes a well deserved 2nd win of the season. Team mate Caparossi takes 3rd but still looks a little off-form.

• Not a great race for Rossi, spent the second half of the race fighting his way to the back of the field - did he damage his tyres re-joining the track after his turn 11 off-track excursion on the first lap?

• Olivier Jacque over-cooks it in the breaking zone for turn 12 and takes out seemingly half the field.

• Toni Elias takes a distant 2nd but entertains everyone with his sideways-under-braking antics.

• The Hondas are really struggling with top-end speed and front end grip. Little Dani Pedrosa seems to be the only Honda rider to suit the new machines.
 
I wont have time to do my standings post for a few days. Thanks cracker for keeping us up to date.
 
Judging on the MotoGP 125 race at Istanbul, there was a great finish. Speed may show this race on Tuesday or Wednesday. I'll be at school then.

I've said in the past that the Istanbul circuit is a great race track. It is a mix of flat-out racing with punishing turns. This track seems more appropriate for cars than motorcycles. However, it remains a very tough course for whatever is racing on this track. The final turn complex is CERTAINLY more appointed for motorcycles than for cars. This is one of the hits for Herman Tilke apart from his misses (the new Hockenheim and the newer Fuji course)


--- 250cc Notes ---
* Hiroshi Aoyama crashed his KTM early in the race, but managed to continue. He helped give KTM their first MotoGP win last year.

* Yuki Takahashi's day came to an end as he came into the pits with problems. Those problems included the breaking of the footpeg and left handle bar or something like that.

* ??? ??? crashed out, but was okay.

* Andrea Doviziso (1st; Italy) won the race followed by Jorge Lorenzo (2nd; Spain) and Alvaro Bautista (3rd; Spain; dominated most of race).



--- Extras ---
Who does Speed Channel think they are- CBS? I think there were a bit too many commercials for the 250cc race, especially towards the concluding laps. Four laps to go- commercial. Two laps to go- another commercial. This is about as bad as when there's a timeout called on CBS which makes them go to a commercial break.


A little note about the 125 and 250 cc classes... I noted that the two different classes have some skinny tires. This is also where you see a few different makes the World Championship doesn't feature. For example, the 125cc class features Mabri. I have no idea where Proton is in MotoGP. Are they in the World Championship class? There was a Gillera or two

Next race will be in China. I wanted to make my notebook for the MotoGP race, but during the 5PM CDT hour, I had my weekly virus scan. So I just let it do the work.

My congratulations to C. Stoner on the win in Istanbul in the MotoGP World Championship ranks.
 
Speed shows the race on every Sunday at around 4pm (not live) and then again on like Wednesday during the day. I set my PVR to record it and I watch it either Sunday or Monday.

I don't have even expanded basic cable anymore, so I can't watch these races unless the main networks start showing them. I used to be able to watch them while I was living at school, but I'm home now and Speed is not a channel I get.:nervous:
 
I've been wanting to update this thread. All I can say is- wow. This Casey Stoner guy is good. Do you think he's a viable threat for the championship this year? Or do you think he'll win a championship... just not this year?
 
I just got the DVR hooked up last night. Maybe I'll actually get to my first race soon as I can now just set it to record while I am away.
 
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