Motorsports Are Dying?

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This NASCAR season is the lowest rated in 15 years despite being the best first 6 races I can remember. Indycar gets 0 viewers despite putting on a good show every round. And F1 dropped from 500 to 450 M viewers?

Im assuming racing has run out of new tricks and now its dying a slow death
 
Ratings work on sampled-viewers-per-live-broadcast, they don't take into account shifts to delayed digital services, bootleg streams or people watching a feed from another country. The figures are only as accurate as the sales people tell the advertisers they are :)


Im assuming racing has run out of new tricks and now its dying a slow death

How odd, I'm sure one of the sports you mentioned has just had a massive rule change to focus on recoverable energy - 1.6 turbo L-engines using 100kg of fuel to cover 200miles at up to 220mph?

That's bloody impressive and reflects the way that our state-of-the-art in engineering is always moving on.

That's how motorsport evolves and audiences shrink and swell through those evolutions. I loved "the good old days" but I don't particularly wish that F1 was still blokes in leather caps giving a cheery 120mph wave as they slide by my picnic in the rain.
 
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These are three examples of series that are failing in some way, whether it be the racing itself or how it's marketed.

Now, if only big broadcasters could realise that BTCC, BES, WEC etc are booming, then maybe we could fix this image problem.
 
Ratings for NASCAR in particular aren't going to mean much for the next 6 or so years, as they are locked into a 10 year deal with a set amount of races on both the networks (FOX and NBC, 9 and 7 respectively) and on the sports channels (FS1 and NBCSN, 7 and 13 respectively).
Even if you take into account the Nationwide series (With only 4 network races, all on NBC, with the first 14 on FS1 and 15 on NBCSN) and their falling ratings (Much worse then Cup, I don't have hard numbers because ESPN never releases them but just look at the stands every week), remember that NASCAR is more then likely going to fix the series main problem (Being Cup Jr.) by limiting Cup driver involvement in it. After this year I think Nationwide is going to do a lot better without a certain Toyota driver dominating every damn race.
And finally, the Trucks are doing great by all accounts. Their only problem is that NASCAR is too dumb to realize what they have with them, and so they get the short end of the stick when it comes to the purse and to the schedule (Only 22 races a year, and the year starts off with Daytona, a month later Martinsville, and a month later in Kansas). The entire series is on FS1, and I think FS1 is going to use it as a sort of year-round cornerstone unlike Nationwide and Cup, which is only around until mid-June.

By the way, the Chase is doomed regardless. If a race runs too long and doesn't end by 7PM est. then it's going to NBCSN. It's not going to conflict with Sunday Night Football, and you can't fault NBC for doing that.
 
I don't think motorsports are dying, I just think people's tastes are changing as it's easier than ever to get access to various series around the world. So while NASCAR, IndyCar and F1 may be losing fans, it seems like, V8 Supercars, DTM and sports car racing(GT3 in particular) are gaining fans rather quickly. Take the Pirelli World Challenge for instance, they are having to boost their server capacity as the load was 3 times greater than expected for their opening round. Plus you have events like Dubai and Bathurst that have grown quite a bit in popularity. I think sports car racing will grow even bigger if they do a good job with the unification of GT3 and GTE.
 
Low F1 figures are primarily for two reasons.

1. More and more countries have had the coverage go from FTA to a paywall of some sort.
2. The casual millions get turned off by rule changes and politics. They just want to see racing, they don't care for fuel flow meters, fuel saving and in particular tyre saving that blighted the last few years. Only the die hards care about that, are there aren't hundreds of millions of those.

I don't watch NASCAR or Indycar so can't comment on those but another sport that has gone downhill in popularity is WRC. That is primarily due to lack of interest from teams and drivers and again, poor/non-existent TV coverage. The rallying itself is still mostly the same, it's just not as interesting to people without any big names/personalities, popular teams/cars and good coverage available to all.

Motorsport isn't dying, the governing bodies of certain categories are just seemingly doing their best to turn people off from them. Other series that aren't doing that are still just as popular.
 
Low F1 figures are primarily for two reasons.

1. More and more countries have had the coverage go from FTA to a paywall of some sort.
2. The casual millions get turned off by rule changes and politics. They just want to see racing, they don't care for fuel flow meters, fuel saving and in particular tyre saving that blighted the last few years. Only the die hards care about that, are there aren't hundreds of millions of those.

I don't watch NASCAR or Indycar so can't comment on those but another sport that has gone downhill in popularity is WRC. That is primarily due to lack of interest from teams and drivers and again, poor/non-existent TV coverage. The rallying itself is still mostly the same, it's just not as interesting to people without any big names/personalities, popular teams/cars and good coverage available to all.

Motorsport isn't dying, the governing bodies of certain categories are just seemingly doing their best to turn people off from them. Other series that aren't doing that are still just as popular.

I see WRC having a revival soon. The lack of coverage especially here in UK has hurt it though. Other countries like Argentina, and for the Monte though, there was a lot of local coverage.
 
I see WRC having a revival soon. The lack of coverage especially here in UK has hurt it though. Other countries like Argentina, and for the Monte though, there was a lot of local coverage.

I certainly hope so, I miss the WRC of the late nineties and early 00s, when I was really into it. When Loeb can turn up for only four races last year, score points in three and finish 8th in the championship you know the teams/cars are thinning. It's even worse this year, barely ten cars regularly at each event.
 
How odd, I'm sure one of the sports you mentioned has just had a massive rule change to focus on recoverable energy - 1.6 turbo L-engines using 100kg of fuel to cover 200miles at up to 220mph?
That is sure to get the casual viewer's heart pounding.






NASCAR is a victim of its own (late 1990s) success. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too, having an overly long season with far too many generic races and white toast drivers but still make all of the races important enough to watch when all they did was make the middle 10 races skippable and the last 10 races seem like a predetermined conclusion (that stupidity they did this year with the points system isn't going to alleviate concerns that people might as well just watch football instead). They need race variety more than anything. As mentioned, though, NASCAR probably couldn't care less because they just sold all of their TV rights out for the next decade for record numbers; even if it was just so the newly launched sports channels have something (anything) to show.

WRC has been the Citroen Rally Championship for too long for people to really find interest in the coverage of the events; and the major rule shakeup that had the indirect effect of driving out what little manufacture support was left has only made it more boring, even if now Loeb isn't winning everything anymore. It'd really help if manufacturers cared about it, since the series being a shell of itself in terms of fields even from two years ago isn't making things better.

F1 has been moving to premium package covereage for the past few years, and a lot of people really won't care enough to spring for it. Especially the savvy ones who can just pirate feeds instead. I don't think that's to claim that the series isn't as popular as ever; but a (uneducated) guess might be any actual drop in viewership might be all of the chasing towards events at circuits outside of F1s traditional fanbase.
 
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Yeah, after the 600 for NASCAR the next 11 races outside of Daytona and the road courses are skippable.

I think the entire world of TV is going to have a big change eventually. Within 5 years I'd wager all major broadcasters will have some sort of online network for people to watch, bypassing the cable companies and giving you the channel on the internet for X amount per month.

It's kinda like what the WWE Network is doing right now. It's an online network with thousands of hours of on demand programming of old wrestling shows, along with every new PPV. So instead of spending $60 on a PPV every month, you spend $10 to get the PPV and all of the on demand stuff on every device and without commercials (So far).

Because of that you're going to see more and more on-air in-show "Presented by" advertisements, and less traditional commercials on live sports in particular, also thanks to the rise of social media circumventing it. When FOX decided to show NASCAR qualifying on tape delay a few years ago, nobody really cared because you couldn't just go on Twitter and find the results for the event 20 minutes before the conclusion. Now that they still do everybody hates it.
 
The quality of drivers, or lack of quality, in the series is what's killing it. The races are becoming too predictable.

Realistically a lot of this started happening when The Tobacco industry was given the boot. Not only were they helping the big teams with money to race and pay quality drivers, they were helping quality poor drivers move up through the ranks as well. The first backlashes of that decision are starting to show in the past 2-3 years. Now that the companies that have been sponsoring are either dry or not interested anymore, we desperately need that Tobacco money back.
 
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One final thing I'm going to post in here, then I'll be done for today (I promise!)
http://www.speedwaymedia.com/?p=71854
This is an article I wrote half a year ago examining how Americans are really never going to "get" racing from a mainstream postion. Although it mostly deals with NASCAR everything I put in there also applies to Formula 1 and IndyCar, along with
1. Being on at horrible times of the day (F1)
2. IndyCar drivers have this perception that they aren't good enough to be in NASCAR or Formula 1.
3. Both series have a lot of foreigners with funny names, not enough MURICANS! (Moreso F1 than IndyCar)
 
This NASCAR season is the lowest rated in 15 years despite being the best first 6 races I can remember. Indycar gets 0 viewers despite putting on a good show every round. And F1 dropped from 500 to 450 M viewers?

Im assuming racing has run out of new tricks and now its dying a slow death

You always have some asinine bleak outlook on racing in general and seem to jump around bashing one or another at times. For example you bash NASCAR here, and have done it other places too and then you use it as something you're in favor of to bash Indy. You are usually the one to open these threads that ask or indirectly subject this idea that we as fans probably shouldn't be fans.

Better question is what's your hang up with motor sports across the board?
 
While I don't think motorsports are dying, I'm feeling that being competitive has turned too expensive in the 2000's.
 


- F1 is well enough I think. And is going the right way too, couple of years ago and I would say "Sports Cars Racing" had become the undisputed pinnacle of motorsports, now I think F1 stepped up from a "show" to a relevant racing series again.

- WEC is fantastic, as it should always be with the series that features Le Mans as their main annual event.

- WRC is pretty much dead. I do feel for it, it was my main "love" for most of my youth, and I'll never forget my jaw dropped, my eyes opened, my ears covered and the ground shaking at the passage of some beasts at impossible speeds in impossible roads. Especially the Mercedes 450 SLC :D


NASCAR
I know nothing about it so can't comment why the americans might be losing interest (if indeed that's the case).

INDY, although a regional championship too, I find appealing, but the whole spec racing thing cheapens the series IMHO, of course.

ELMS, also regional, but now this side of the ocean, is trying to recover. However, I think it was a BIG mistake to take the LMP1 cars off it. Those are the cars EVERYONE wants to see, even if only one or two show up.

Personal note:
I remember a few years ago going to Estoril to watch an ELMS race and I do remember who the stars were: Stefan Johannson's Audi R8 (in Gulf colors, no less), and a Pescarolo (maybe Courage chassis, not sure).

And I remember going to Portimão in 2010 and the show was guaranteed by the Lola Aston Martins, Kolles Audi R10 cars, and again a Pescarolo car. Then we would spend the hours watching the many LMP2 scraps and GT fights, but we needed the P1 cars to get us there in the first place.

Crossing the pond again, TUSCC has everything it needs to be a great american championship, I do hope the silly mistakes stop so it can happen.

All over the world I guess GT and Touring Car championships are doing great, so there's no big worry there.
 
MotoGP has been extremely good the last several years.

The bike scene in Canada seems to be relatively dead at the national level though, and the AMA didn't even have Daytona 200 coverage this year.👎
 
Also I think it's another thing to note that fails to be done so yet again in a thread made by Earth. That if you stop looking at the surface context and actually open your eyes around, you'll see that these sports are expanding. More and more groups are becoming interested in WEC if it wasn't doing well why join? F1 is still gathering nations and groups all the time willing to fork over tons of money to have F1 in their home. NASCAR is still doing quite well and not nearly hurting as much as they were in 2008-2011 during the recession so...when actual context is looked at and not surface numbers, reality begins to set in.
 
1.6 turbo L-engines using 100kg of fuel to cover 200miles at up to 220mph?

That is sure to get the casual viewer's heart pounding.

As Marie Antoinette said, let them watch soccerballism. I'm completely selfish and don't care :D

I think F1 is very brave in making such a big change but I think it's a very relevant change. They've picked a good time to do it, world commerce is still cautious, Bernie is slapping lawyers away left-right-and-center and F1 has been suffering the Vettel effect.

Will it be easy for people to accept? It depends on how friendly the press are to the changes and how the wider public perceive the changes in the sport. Over time it will become a natural form of racing (and a natural way to power vehicles)... but for now it's all a bit suspiciously left-wing for the tabloids.

There IS a girl in F1 though, so phwoaarrr. Eh?
 
I lost interest in F1, it isn't exciting and new regs make it even worse for me.

NASCAR is ok but I'm starting to lose interest

TUSCC is good, they just need to fix the caution system.

V8s is going strong and I love watching every race.

BES, DTM and WEC are fantastic. I love watching their races.

Super GT, my favourite series of them all, I just wish I can watch it on TV or live stream.

I do have a feeling LMP1 is slowly dieing and soon it'll just be LMP2.
 
(Warning, long post ahead!)

F1 - for me it has lost it's charm. Even 10 years ago, when racing was arguably not great, it held more appeal to me. We had yelling V10s, and cars looked like pure and simple speed machines, clean and concise. Like the Renault R26:

2006-Renault-F1-R26-Front-Studio-1280x960.jpg


Another issue is F1's (and especially Bernie's) lingering elitist attitude they are better than everyone else, because they are Formula One. F1 isn't purely about the racing, but primarily the show. Now a great championship can have both, but with F1 it has appeared that the show has taken over. It's more obsessed with the glamour and locations than racing. Abu Dhabi, Valencia, Singapore, all events which on a postcard look absolutely phenomenal, but do they really have great race tracks? It's financial based - Autosport readers will be familiar with Jim Bambers caracture of Bernie with the $ signs on his glasses, which is actually quite accurate.

Techonology wise F1 has also tried to outdo all. It's undeniable that F1 cars always have been and remain phenomenal pieces of technology. How KERS, DRS, and how the engineers build these cars in fairly constrictive regulations is incredible, but to the average joe wanting who switches on, maybe not a motorsports fan, they just want to see a race. They don't want to have a lesson in how energy is recuperated from braking energy and stored.

For the WRC, i've seen it's recent fall. My very first taste of WRC was the live Wales Rally GB finale on ITV4, when Petter Solberg, Carlos Sainz, Marcus Gronholm, Tommi Makined, and Sebastian Loeb engaged in a 4 way fight for the WRC title. It was riveting and gripping. High profile stars, big, noisy mud flinging cars, cars with a profile - we all know our Lancers, Impreza's, and Peugeot had a high profile then. Citroen's domination certainly pushed people out, but you cannot blame them. They where simply great and no one else could consistently hold a candle - Peugeot where strategically withdrawn by the PSA group who saw no sense in two brands from the same stable competing against each other (Peugeot / Citroen) Mitsubishi left, Subaru faded away, Ford would go on with a slightly dog-like Focus.

When we're all discussing this, we have to remember as well the economic crisis from circa 2008-2011 (correct me if memories hazy). When something like this is happening, financing a motor racing programme is not top priority, so they get the cut first. I like how WRC has seemingly picked up its spark again, TV coverage is better now (if still minimal), and makes are slowly coming back. M Sport have had enough money to run a competitive Ford Fiesta package, Citroen arguably have not been full strength for a year or two. VW have come in and done what Citroen did and gone all out attack. Whilst it's not too competitive right now, at least WRC is amassing the interest. Toyota are coming back soon as well, and the R5 regulations that the FIA have drawn up i've read about provide it a real chance to grow.

BTCC is blossoming. After Super Touring burnt itself out, grids were low and sparse. I think it was 2005 at Donington we had a grid of 12/14 cars - 3 Vauxhalls, couple SEAT's, couple MG's, couple Civics, and 2 Lexus IS200's (thinking the HPI entries.. Williams / Curely IIRC? Anyway I regress). But BTCC simply used the new FIA rules to its advantage (S2000) and gradually got grids going up to the point of the viability of having there own rules formula - the NGTC. From a couple back in 2011 (The Audi A4 and Toyota Avensis) to 31 in 2013 says volumes. It's also had a stable, accessible slot with coverage pretty much unrivalled to any series broadcast in the UK, maybe not counting Sky Sports and the F1 coverage recently (not got Sky Sports however)

Indycar has potential but it is wasted. Stuffing everything in a 6 month season is great whilst it lasts, but it means the off season is so long it drops away from public eye constantly. Whereas NASCAR with it's massive schedule is always out there, so the public in the US see it. However I think the only good move NASCAR have made is the Gen6 in recent years. The chase is a gimmick, and it's over complicating affairs. The racing as well... I don't blame Hendrick Domination or Jnr not going anywhere fast. It's how NASCAR made things so artificial with the debris cautions, the GWC was a good idea but 3 attempts is just asking for wrecks.

Reminds me of the USCR. I have very few good words about that series. Terrible race control, poor driving standards, it's got none of the pure drama of the ALMS, down to the fact people in race control believe races need to be bunched all together with wave arounds, pitting in packs and keeping cars compressed. For proper sportscar racing you want the WEC, not without flaws but drivers, cars, reams, and racing is of a much higher quality. Blancpain has become the No.1 GT series in the world as well, I mean 60 cars all in the same class (GT3) at Spa last year for the 24H is proof of it booming.
 
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Won't ever die. People have been racing stuff since the beginning of time. On horses, chariots, feet, bikes, lawnmowers, whatever.....If it moves people will race it. So some form of motorsport will always be around till the end of time.
 
I don't particularly wish that F1 was still blokes in leather caps giving a cheery 120mph wave as they slide by my picnic in the rain.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you, that, honestly, would be extremely awesome. Which is why I still like hillclimbs and trackdays...

1. More and more countries have had the coverage go from FTA to a paywall of some sort.

This. So much this. Our cable provider stuffed all the sports channels into the cable-box scrambled section last year. We just got it back by upgrading to the digital box.

Also, the official website is putting less and less telemetry on the live browser app in order to encourage people to buy the paid one.


2. The casual millions get turned off by rule changes and politics. They just want to see racing, they don't care for fuel flow meters, fuel saving and in particular tyre saving that blighted the last few years. Only the die hards care about that, are there aren't hundreds of millions of those.

I blame Red Bull. And a few dozen other teams :lol:. The FIA really should hire lawyers to write their technical regulations for them. Team PR has made it appear that all these rule changes have been bad for the sport, especially when specific changes are bad for them. Red Bull did it successfully with the tires last year, now they're trying to do it with the fuel regulators. When your only (logical) reason for being in the sport is advertising, turning off the viewership by confusing the issue doesn't help.

In the end, though, I hope the racing stabilizes by midyear. Having thirty to forty percent of the field retire each race is simply not good for the sport.


Realistically a lot of this started happening when The Tobacco industry was given the boot. Not only were they helping the big teams with money to race and pay quality drivers, they were helping quality poor drivers move up through the ranks as well. The first backlashes of that decision are starting to show in the past 2-3 years. Now that the companies that have been sponsoring are either dry or not interested anymore, we desperately need that Tobacco money back.

I was going to retort that we should have seen the effects decades ago, but perhaps (pending a review of when anti-Tobacco advertising regulations started) you're right. Lacking that plentiful sponsorship money at the lowest of grassroots levels has definitely hurt motorsports.

You'd hope that other "lifestyle" companies would pick up the slack, but aside from Red Bull, few of them have the same amount invested in motorsports as the Tobacco companies did.

Which might be a sad commentary on the change in consumer demographics... and viewer demographics. Unless motorsports gets more of the viewers who are willing to spend money on a whim (say, twelve year old girls), that's not going to change.
 
I lost interest in F1, it isn't exciting and new regs make it even worse for me.

NASCAR is ok but I'm starting to lose interest

TUSCC is good, they just need to fix the caution system.

V8s is going strong and I love watching every race.

BES, DTM and WEC are fantastic. I love watching their races.

Super GT, my favourite series of them all, I just wish I can watch it on TV or live stream.

I do have a feeling LMP1 is slowly dieing and soon it'll just be LMP2.

You might want to inform the Nissan plan for this year and their 2015 plans that are even different. Also may want to inform Ferrari that are debating the run. Them knowing LMP1 is dying should help make their decision.
 
You might want to inform the Nissan plan for this year and their 2015 plans that are even different. Also may want to inform Ferrari that are debating the run. Them knowing LMP1 is dying should help make their decision.
LMP1 is getting stronger... what are you on about? :confused:

(Warning, long post ahead!)

F1 - for me it has lost it's charm. Even 10 years ago, when racing was arguably not great, it held more appeal to me. We had yelling V10s, and cars looked like pure and simple speed machines, clean and concise. Like the Renault R26:

2006-Renault-F1-R26-Front-Studio-1280x960.jpg


Another issue is F1's (and especially Bernie's) lingering elitist attitude they are better than everyone else, because they are Formula One. F1 isn't purely about the racing, but primarily the show. Now a great championship can have both, but with F1 it has appeared that the show has taken over. It's more obsessed with the glamour and locations than racing. Abu Dhabi, Valencia, Singapore, all events which on a postcard look absolutely phenomenal, but do they really have great race tracks? It's financial based - Autosport readers will be familiar with Jim Bambers caracture of Bernie with the $ signs on his glasses, which is actually quite accurate.

Techonology wise F1 has also tried to outdo all. It's undeniable that F1 cars always have been and remain phenomenal pieces of technology. How KERS, DRS, and how the engineers build these cars in fairly constrictive regulations is incredible, but to the average joe wanting who switches on, maybe not a motorsports fan, they just want to see a race. They don't want to have a lesson in how energy is recuperated from braking energy and stored.
That describes my mind.

BTCC is blossoming. After Super Touring burnt itself out, grids were low and sparse. I think it was 2005 at Donington we had a grid of 12/14 cars - 3 Vauxhalls, couple SEAT's, couple MG's, couple Civics, and 2 Lexus IS200's (thinking the HPI entries.. Williams / Curely IIRC? Anyway I regress). But BTCC simply used the new FIA rules to its advantage (S2000) and gradually got grids going up to the point of the viability of having there own rules formula - the NGTC. From a couple back in 2011 (The Audi A4 and Toyota Avensis) to 31 in 2013 says volumes. It's also had a stable, accessible slot with coverage pretty much unrivalled to any series broadcast in the UK, maybe not counting Sky Sports and the F1 coverage recently (not got Sky Sports however)
BTCC deserves so much credit for what they're doing now. I'd say if it can be kept up over the next few years, and they try and break through to become more mainstream, we could see Super Touring era - profile being restored.
 
LMP1 has been one of the most boring classes in recent years with it just being an Audi snooze fest. Its basically become the GT1 class of the late 2000s, one car just dominates everything and no ones cares to even bother trying. While the recent entries of Toyota and Porsche have helped i see this year or next year the last days of LMP1.
 
Considering Nissan are entering, I highly doubt it. I see this as the start of the new era of P1.
 
LMP1 has been one of the most boring classes in recent years with it just being an Audi snooze fest. Its basically become the GT1 class of the late 2000s, one car just dominates everything and no ones cares to even bother trying. While the recent entries of Toyota and Porsche have helped i see this year or next year the last days of LMP1.
2011 Le Mans was great close racing. 2012 LMP1 was good for the most part with Dyson vs. Muscle Milk in ALMS and Audi vs. Toyota in the last races of the WEC. 2013 was a let down though :( but judging by the pre-season test 2014 does look a bit promising.
 
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