Multi chair

[Conza]

You do NOT want a chair that swivels -- as you steer, brake, and accelerate, a swivel mechanism will put a lot of stress on your lower back over time.

Trust me on this -- this is NOT a good thing.

You under estimate me, I dont thrash around when I drive, so for a normal person driving normally, a swivel chair is NOT a problem, so please don't spread lies in my thread.

 

[GT_Jwolf]

This is the chair I ended up purchasing. I use it for PS3, Xbox, and pretty much everything. I personally don't have any problems with the chair swiveling or sliding around when pressing the pedals.

If you were going to go the route of getting a office chair to use for gaming i would recommend putting a rug or have carpet beneath the wheels. Also if you get creative you can remove the wheels and create a mount for the chair.

Edit: Got it for $119 and it ships for free from BizChair.

 

[Conza]

This is the chair I ended up purchasing. I use it for PS3, Xbox, and pretty much everything. I personally don't have any problems with the chair swiveling or sliding around when pressing the pedals.

If you were going to go the route of getting a office chair to use for gaming i would recommend putting a rug or have carpet beneath the wheels. Also if you get creative you can remove the wheels and create a mount for the chair.

Edit: Got it for $119 and it ships for free from BizChair.

While I dismiss swivelling as uneducated and pessimistic, sliding is a real concern without lockable wheels, a carpet rug may be an ok temporary solution, but with lockable wheels you're dead still, the chair never moves allowing you to put enough force into the pedals without having to shuffle forward again after every corner. If you can find them, it's well worth it.

 

[superbike81]

You under estimate me, I dont thrash around when I drive, so for a normal person driving normally, a swivel chair is NOT a problem, so please don't spread lies in my thread.

Conza, John isn't "spreading lies" in your thread, please don't jump to conclusions. He is simply probably older than you. Did you know lower back pain is one of the most common ailments amongst people worldwide? If you are healthy, young, and don't have chronic back pain, I'm sure a swivel chair will be fine. But as we get older, back pain and fatigue becomes a very real and very serious problem. There was a discussion about swivel chairs over on the iRacing forums recently and a few of the older racers agreed saying that balancing the swivel chairs was indeed causing them significant back pain.

Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[Conza]

Conza, John isn't "spreading lies" in your thread, please don't jump to conclusions. He is simply probably older than you. Did you know lower back pain is one of the most common ailments amongst people worldwide? If you are healthy, young, and don't have chronic back pain, I'm sure a swivel chair will be fine. But as we get older, back pain and fatigue becomes a very real and very serious problem. There was a discussion about swivel chairs over on the iRacing forums recently and a few of the older racers agreed saying that balancing the swivel chairs was indeed causing them significant back pain.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Hey look, I said please alright, regardless of the issues associated with back pain, that isn't related to my chair, and with all due respect, if your having trouble balancing a 'swivel chair' you've got way bigger problems than back pain, swivel chairs (good ones) will only move with a certain amount of pressure, they won't move at all, or shouldn't even during the most intense redbull x racing. If its moving you're doing it wrong, plain and simple, I don't won't mis-information posted here about a good product when it isn't true.

 

[superbike81]

I'm not going to argue with you, it's just not worth it. I'll just say this, remember that not everyone is exactly like you and not everyone owns the same equipment. Pushing the brake on my CST F1 pedals would absolutely cause ANY swivelchair to move simply due to the force required.

 

[Conza]

I'm not going to argue with you, it's just not worth it. I'll just say this, remember that not everyone is exactly like you and not everyone owns the same equipment. Pushing the brake on my CST F1 pedals would absolutely cause ANY swivelchair to move simply due to the force required.

I didn't realise we were having an argument.

I stand by the fact, having driven many types of cars in real life, and in the game, and in other racing games, that I have enough experience to know, that for a DFGT pedal set, or a G27 pedal set, if you were swivelling when playing a driving game you-are-doing-it-wrong, that isn't a critism, that is a simple fact, it is POSSIBLE for the chair not to move / much, when driving extremely fast, applying very heavy and late braking, so to say that ALL chairs would move is incorrect.

Saying some inferior products MAY move, is quite reasonable however - but there's no reason to disparage my very good and expensive racing multi chair.

 

[HoiHman]

In my opinion an office chair always moves especially if you have a load cell brake pedal where you have to push pretty hard to brake hard.

If you sitting straight in your office chair and you have "normal' pedals, using an office chair might be possible.

But if you're hanging back a little and you have mounted the pedals a bit higher it becomes a different story.

I had my office chair connected to two metal bars to keep it from swiveling

It was pretty solid

But still i bought a race seat last week.

 

[Conza]

Well unfortunately, your opinion falls a bit short, as you couldn't possibly know 'every' chair, and when you look at my chair, it, just, doesn't, move.

You know, I drive a Peugeot 306, and its brake isn't rock hard, but it isn't jelly either, and I would say the G27 is a tad harder, so on average I'd say its hard enough to be realistic, and what everyone is saying is, they brake, then I can only imagine, they 'bottom out' (hit the edge of the brake) and the resistance from where the pedal is mounted is forcing the leg to extend, which pushes the chair back.

Now depending on A. the force required to push the pedal in, and B the grip of the chair, you MAY push the chair back, however for the G27 with my chair, I'd have to be pushing idiotically hard into the pedal, which would push against my subwoofer, which would push against my desk, which would push against the wall, and finally, if I were stupid enough to keep pushing, with enough force (probably full force from one leg, most force from both legs), I would 'nudge' my chair with the wheels locked.

But I can only speak for my set up, which is not effected by extreme braking, if the brake pedal were harder, AND the chair not as resisitant, I can see how it would be pushed back - as it is, it doesn't.

 

[HoiHman]

Since you don't have a loadcell brake, you can not even begin to imagine the difference it makes with the logitech pedals ( i had them too)

We're talking about braking as hard a you possibly can to get maximum brake performance. My Club sport pedals are bolted into the floor, other wise i would push them away during braking. In that kind of scenario you need either a race seat or a fixed chair (like i did before)

But like with every sim setup: It about what's good for YOU.

If your happy with your office chair, thats what's all about

 

[Conza]

Once again, not having a go, however while classified as an opinion, I still don't think its a valid when you say "In my opinion an office chair always moves..." ect. - Mine doesn't and won't, its heavy, has very good traction/grip on this wooden floor, anyway.

Also, from what you've described, a load cell doesn't seem very realistic, is this just another sadist thing where people try to make the WAAY more difficult, or is it for old crappy cars and/or extreme performance cars, where for some reason the brakes would be worse... no I must conclude its either sadistic, or realistic for very old and bad cars only, otherwise if it did what you say it does (and trust me, it wouldn't move my chair anyway), it seems pointless.

 

[superbike81]

Load cell is more like a real brake than a typical G27 style brake. Think about a real car, the brake pedal travels, but then hits a point where you really have to put a lot of pressure to get more braking force, this is how the load cell works. The G27 pedal doesn't do that, it just bottoms out.


As far as him saying the office chair moves, remember, there is also swivel movement to be concerned with as well. Despite what you think or what you feel, you ABSOLUTELY ARE engaging several of the muscles in your back (serratus anterior, internal/external obliques, erector spinae, and several others). If you are a healthy young man with no history of back problems or injuries, you won't even feel it. But as we get older and our backs are stressed more and more due to many different reasons (manual labor, body weight, etc) it does become VERY NOTICEABLE and can be VERY PAINFUL. All depends on the person though.


Edit: You don't have to rabidly defend your purchase in the way you have you been, it's not necessary. No one is attacking you for purchasing this type of chair, we are just saying that this type of chair ****CAN**** be troublesome with certain setups (Load Cell equipped pedals) and with certain people. I'm sure it works well for you and you are very happy, but stop calling people uneducated simply because they are presenting information that you are neglecting.

 

[HoiHman]

+1

 

[Conza]

Load cell is more like a real brake than a typical G27 style brake. Think about a real car, the brake pedal travels, but then hits a point where you really have to put a lot of pressure to get more braking force, this is how the load cell works. The G27 pedal doesn't do that, it just bottoms out.


As far as him saying the office chair moves, remember, there is also swivel movement to be concerned with as well. Despite what you think or what you feel, you ABSOLUTELY ARE engaging several of the muscles in your back (serratus anterior, internal/external obliques, erector spinae, and several others). If you are a healthy young man with no history of back problems or injuries, you won't even feel it. But as we get older and our backs are stressed more and more due to many different reasons (manual labor, body weight, etc) it does become VERY NOTICEABLE and can be VERY PAINFUL. All depends on the person though.


Edit: You don't have to rabidly defend your purchase in the way you have you been, it's not necessary. No one is attacking you for purchasing this type of chair, we are just saying that this type of chair ****CAN**** be troublesome with certain setups (Load Cell equipped pedals) and with certain people. I'm sure it works well for you and you are very happy, but stop calling people uneducated simply because they are presenting information that you are neglecting.

Well, the G27 is more realistic in terms of the cars I've used, road cars, besides this has clearly de-generated from 'will my chair move under braking' the answer is no, to load cells in general.

Also, no swivel movement without either A. thrashing around not knowing what you're doing B. intentionally moving. So unless you're, no I won't class everyone who can't control themselves as something negative, its probably not their fault, if you can sit still without wobbling (and its not a balance issue, its one of involentary movement), then the swivel poses no problem. For those that it does, I'm sorry that you have to spend more money on a solution that doesn't move at all to avoid you're involuntary movement, its a real shame, without that movement, my chair would be perfect, as it is for me.

What I'm trying to do, is have the last say on this chair. It has a minute amount of 'tilt' in it when you really push hard with one arm or another, so this stops the swivelling that inferior products would experience.

Also, rabidly? Really? That's pathetic, if I were rabid I'd be insulting everyone left right and centre and I'm clearly not doing that, being uneducated isn't insulting, especially when it's factual, there isn't shame in it either, now you know, so now you're not, that easy.

The only way to prove either way is a pointless test, since I'm the one with the chair, I'd need to find an 'older' person in my local area (from the sounds of things 40s+) mod my G27 with a load cell, then see if 'they' stay still. Its flawed for a number of reasons, firstly where do I find this 40 yr old person? I don't want to use some stranger from GTP tyvm, then I'd have to void my G27 warranty - no thank you, but let's pretend I knew a friend who had modded his G27 and was in his 40s+, he comes around, uses the chair, and he can't sit still - all that proves again is that he's thrashing about, not driving properly, this chair is very easy to sit still, both in movement forward and backward, and side to side - and I won't have it be disparaged when I'm the only one here who's used it.

And if you really want to win an argument in my thread, go buy the chair, set it up with lockable wheels, then if I can trust you to be fair and unbiased, film a test of the chair's performance driving it really hard, with fast cars, slow cars, ect. You're not going to do that, so you'll have to accept my version of the chairs features, and trust me. I wouldn't lie about a product I didn't like, or one that didn't work, I've already said some negative things about this G27 I bought compared to my DFGT, I won't blindly accept every purchase I make, but with this one, I got lucky.

 

[superbike81]

*sigh*

I give up. If you can't understand that people are different, than you truly are hopeless, I just hope you are more open minded with the rest of things in your life.

Enjoy your chair.

 

[Conza]

Well its a good thing I can understand, otherwise you would've just insulted me, and that would've been against the forums rules - very close, you're lucky I didn't call you up on that and say 'oh wait I don't understand'.

What I actually don't understand is why 2 people are bombarding me with make believe facts about a product they don't own! I find that amazing, it's like me claiming that the F40 is great on fuel when I've never even driven one! How does that work?

Anyway, we can now move on, the chair doesn't move. End. Of. Story.

 

[superbike81]

I'll just attribute that response to youthful ignorance and leave it at that.

Bye.

Thread unsubscribed.

 

[Conza]

While I'll ignore your spam in terms of this thread, it has been duely reported for incorrectly insulting me.

Now, finally, back to the chair.

 

[Caz]

Conza : Congrats on your purchase. I'm sure your happy with it.
But, I think you need to step back and think about this. The posts in this thread are really only here to help you. Its advice and may be from experience. Maybe not with your specific chair in general, but with office chairs as a whole.
It does not require involuntary uncontrollable movement or thrashing about to get a chair to swivel. Just sitting an inch off center can upset the balance of a swivel chair. Or divets in your carpeting. Anything that throws the level off that chair ( maybe not yours) will make them spin.

As for back issues: you may be young, but now is the time to keep your back safe from future issues.

Please dont take this post as knocking gyour purchase. You and only you need to be happy with it.

The only thing I will disagree with is you saying the g series pedals feel like any type of real car pedal. Maybe power wheels, but not a real car.


Many happy laps to you!

 

[Conza]

Conza : Congrats on your purchase. I'm sure your happy with it.
But, I think you need to step back and think about this. The posts in this thread are really only here to help you. Its advice and may be from experience. Maybe not with your specific chair in general, but with office chairs as a whole.
It does not require involuntary uncontrollable movement or thrashing about to get a chair to swivel. Just sitting an inch off center can upset the balance of a swivel chair. Or divets in your carpeting. Anything that throws the level off that chair ( maybe not yours) will make them spin.

As for back issues: you may be young, but now is the time to keep your back safe from future issues.

Please dont take this post as knocking gyour purchase. You and only you need to be happy with it.

The only thing I will disagree with is you saying the g series pedals feel like any type of real car pedal. Maybe power wheels, but not a real car.

Many happy laps to you!

G'day Caz.

Your post, is fine, I don't see anything wrong with it except the last part about the G series pedals not being realistic, but this seems to be a point of contention amongst many, so I'll leave your opinion alone on that one.

As for the chair and chairs in general, there are a few things I'm pointing out to the other two, which I don't seem to need to point out to you.

A. Concern for office chairs in general, be they expensive or cheap, in terms of any movement, lateral, forward/backward, up/down ect

This is obvious, people should be skeptical, at first, but when they realise they're dealing with 'my' chair, and 'still' have these concerns.

B. Concerns for 'my' chair, once mitigation has been clearly established in terms of any if 'its' movement, lateral, forward/backward, ect.

B is what irritates quite frankly, A should be there, but once 'I' inform people of the features of my chair, that is it. This chair.

Does. Not. Move. I'll post it as many times as I need to make sure people don't get the wrong impression from those other two posters, who insist upon 'oh, well all chairs move, so you can't be right', or originally 'you DON'T want a swivel chair' and other more ludicrous claims. I post to bash down those false accusations to an unassuming product, hand made by a small to medium size chinese company, who have done an exceptional job.

Do I have problem with concerns 'in general', no, do I have a problem with 'continued' concerns once I've announced there are no issues - you're damned right I do, that's why I keep rebutting.

I'm glad I don't need to make any of this clear to you though

 

[BODHI85]

I'll just attribute that response to youthful ignorance and leave it at that.

Bye.

Thread unsubscribed.

Congrats. Stop wasting your time.

 

[Conza]

And mine.

 

[JohnBodin]

You under estimate me, I dont thrash around when I drive, so for a normal person driving normally, a swivel chair is NOT a problem, so please don't spread lies in my thread.

So your physiology defies human norms and your spine does NOT twist, eh?

Good to know -- that moves us one step closer to properly categorizing you as an "alien."

 

[Conza]

So your physiology defies human norms and your spine does NOT twist, eh?

Good to know -- that moves us one step closer to properly categorizing you as an "alien."

ha-ha-ha. There's always someone else who's not interested in the chair, but how I use it. And if you'd care to read it, atleast once more, I said

I dont thrash around when I drive, so for a normal person driving normally, a swivel chair is NOT a problem

So nothing about my spine not twisting, or any of that, straight ahead, with the wheels locked, it takes a considerable effort to move the chair *tests by moving arms up and down attached to wheel* nope, chair didn't move, funny that. The chair will move easily - if I move side to side, intentionally *tests pedals, again* no, see, still the chair remained straight ahead until I wanted to turn to talk to someone who came into the room, then I moved back, and low and behold, no movement.

So you see, whatever the combination, possibly I am very heavy, 190-200 pounds or something (88kgs?), so moving my arms and legs if I were... 15kgs lighter, may be enough to move the combined weight of me and the chair... but I seriously doubt it. So the chair only moves when I voluntarily move it, doesn't interfere at all with GT5.

I haven't watched hundreds of people in real cars, obviously as a kid both my parents, later friends and co-workers occassionally, but all of them seem to drive just like me, in a calm and relaxed manner, only spending as much energy as required to say, turn a wheel left, or, push a brake pedal to the floor - granted none of these people (or myself on the road thankfully) were racing when I observed them, but I draw from these observations that their and my driving style on real roads, seems exactly the same; well in terms of energy used, or atleast effort put in.

So between the roughly 20 people including myself I've seen driving real cars, I deem this chair to be suitable, so long as the user playing GT5 doesn't unnecessarily jerk their weight around, which may cause the chair to turn, minorly, possibly not even enough to notice, but when I drive, my back is fairly relaxed, my arms, legs and neck aren't, but thats because I'm sitting up almost perfectly straight, just leaning forward slightly.

I promise, I'm not claiming on having some super human skill with chairs, quite the opposite, I'm simply can't see how a normal person, driving normally in GT5 (racing), would use enough energy to knock the chair around, even with the RedBull X2010, no problems here.

I've almost certainly said it before, but I'll say it again, this chair does not move unless I want it to. I unlock the wheels, it slides around, I push from the ground with my legs, it swivels, but when its in race position, locked down, and I'm dead ahead at the wheel, nothing is moving, when I turn the wheel left or right, nothing else is moving, when I push the brake pedal really fast and hard, nothing, else, is, moving.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Hey I have an old office chair I used to use but I didnt like it cus it swivelled. Anyone else have this problem with theirs?

 

[Conza]

Well a standard office chair, I could understand, but a chair designed to be either moving or still - different story.

As a matter of fact I'll have to answer yes to lemansfantatic, I have a chair that would lean back about 45 degrees whenever I wanted to relax, and it'd roll like crazy, oddly enough though, the pivoting of the chair itself wasn't so bad, mostly because the energy seemed to go into the wheels for braking and such, don't know, was bad enough that I replaced it with this chair 6 months ago.

 

[lemansfanatic]

facetious[ fuh-see-shuh s ]adjective1.*not meant to be taken seriously or literally:a facetious remark.2.*amusing; humorous.3.*lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous:*a facetious person.

 

[Conza]

Well, on this forum who knows, I took it seriously, well done you fooled me.

Also, isn't that more sarcasm?