Mustang help...

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So I have a 2005 Ford Mustang... it's had all three weight reduction stages, I think, and it puts out 433bhp. However, I'm having trouble when I try to drift it... I have all aids turned off, yet when I hit the loud pedal the back end is reluctant to come out, and I have road tires on. Even when I get the thing sideways, it acts like a AWD car, even though it's FR... :scared:

I need a good setup that allows me to grip race with Sports tires, and be able to break the back end loose with the throttle and drift with the road tires... like a normal car should!

Thanks 👍
 
you shouldn't have bought all 3 weight reduction stages.., you need some weight shifting in order to drift, Stage 1 will do just fine..,

a setup for both grip and drift? that's a tough one.., that all comes down to suspension and LSD tuning.., try soft spring rates at the back and a LSD setting right in the middle, not too close or open..,
 
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EJRocky
I need a good setup that allows me to grip race with Sports tires, and be able to break the back end loose with the throttle and drift with the road tires... like a normal car should!
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Well that's 2 different actions you're talking about (grip racing with sport tires versus drifting/sliding on R3s) which demands 2 different suspension/lsd setups. In addition to what D24/7 said, i would try

1). Keeping the front end low, with the rear kicked up 10 mm or more for grip-racing on sports. I would try a minimum front with maximum rear ground clearance for drifting on road tires, to try and see if the rear can break more effectively.

oTHER than that, i haven't driven this car extensively in GT4 so far. All i know is it understeers heavily. I imagine you might need alot more power than 433 hp to get the rear to break properly...

...but i can't say for sure. I will get back to this thread later (i'm at work now) to suggest some settings.
 
I got the exact suspension settings down today - this is it at present (from the Home setup screen)

Spring rate: Front: 10.0 Rear: 8.0
Ride Height: Front & rear: 115
Damper - bounce side: front & rear: 8
Damper - rebound side - front & rear - 8
Camber: Front: 2.0 Rear: 1.0
Toe: Front & Rear: none
Front & Rear anti roll bars: 5

But... I've been thinking... what if I got a dedicated Mustang drift setup, optimized for road tires, then just put grippier tires on? Take, for instance, the Blitz R34. It comes drift-ready straight from the showroom, providing you got road tires. Leaving the setup untouched, I put on some racing mediums to attempt grip racing - and it was so good, that I won the Tuning Car championship with it. Do you think I could so the same with my Mustang?

If anyone can direct me to a 'Stang drift setup, for road tires, I'd be most grateful. I'd really like to try this, as it's a possible solution.

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Your main problem is the toe angle, or lack of and also what are your LSD settings because that affects it a lot too. The suspension is a bit stiff overall aswell. I'd loosen the dampers a bit, say for example 4/8 on front and 3/6 on the rear for bound/rebound. Then set the rear toe out negatively. -1, -2 are both alright and if you want, add toe in (+1, +2) to the front to allow the weight to shift quicker when you're turning.

I'm actually building two up right now for my garage, both Shelby versions of the '05. One with 500hp (GT500) and the other with 530hp (GT500KR).

And believe me, you don't need N3 tyres for it to drift, they tear up S3's just as fine, 800Nm+ of torque ensures that. :D
 
The Mustang will light the tires just fine, but it has no real effect on where the tail goes. You CANNOT hang the arse in the '05 from what I've seen. At least not well.
 
And what you've seen will fill a fishbowl RJ. :P jk mate. Seriously though, it's easy to get the tail to hang out, it's stopping it wanting to 180 on you that's the problem. :odd: It mainly stems from the front heavy weight distribution on the car.
 
Every time I've messed with the S197 Mustang in GT4 I've had wheelspin and if I'm lucky oversteer at higher speeds but it does NOT want to rotate when it lights the rears up.
 
EJRocky
I got the exact suspension settings down today - this is it at present (from the Home setup screen)

Spring rate: Front: 10.0 Rear: 8.0
Ride Height: Front & rear: 115
Damper - bounce side: front & rear: 8
Damper - rebound side - front & rear - 8
Camber: Front: 2.0 Rear: 1.0
Toe: Front & Rear: none
Front & Rear anti roll bars: 5
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2 words. TOO. STIFF.

beside from the spring rates and ride height, are those stock suspension settings? if so, they're too stiff. if you're going to set up the dampers, the rebound should be 1 or 2 levels higher than bound, that applies to both front and rear.

But... I've been thinking... what if I got a dedicated Mustang drift setup, optimized for road tires, then just put grippier tires on? Take, for instance, the Blitz R34. It comes drift-ready straight from the showroom, providing you got road tires. Leaving the setup untouched, I put on some racing mediums to attempt grip racing - and it was so good, that I won the Tuning Car championship with it. Do you think I could so the same with my Mustang?
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that would be awesome, if it's possible. give it a shot.

If anyone can direct me to a 'Stang drift setup, for road tires, I'd be most grateful. I'd really like to try this, as it's a possible solution.

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EJRocky
Showoff :P

Surely there are drfting setups for 'Stangs out there... anyone got a link? Preferably for road tires... I just hate drifting with sports... :nervous:
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hmm, let me dig out my Mustang, see if I can find a solution..,
 
Woohoo! Thankyou, Vince! :D

The setup by identti is perfect. It's a great drifter with the road tires on, and with sports it's an excellent grip racer - so that's exactly what I was looking for.

Again, thanks, and thanks to all you guys too :)👍

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And what you've seen will fill a fishbowl
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What I've seen would barely cover the bottom of a fishbowl, but I have to go with RJ. Have only used a couple of them but in my recollection Mustang=understeer. I found them to be more like an understeering fat-arsed Euro than the overpowered and erratic seppo car I was expecting.

EDIT: Just noticed the posts re drifting. I was talking about grip so sorry if off-topic
 
PF
What I've seen would barely cover the bottom of a fishbowl, but I have to go with RJ. Have only used a couple of them but in my recollection Mustang=understeer. I found them to be more like an understeering fat-arsed Euro than the overpowered and erratic seppo car I was expecting
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Agreed. Too slow in GT4 than what I was expecting really.
 
The Mustang GT in GT4 does seem slow in stock form. Stock performance seems more like the V6 model. It appears PD got them mixed up. It's ok, Jeremy Clarkson once did the same thing on Top Gear.
 
Adamgp
The Mustang GT in GT4 does seem slow in stock form. Stock performance seems more like the V6 model. It appears PD got them mixed up. It's ok, Jeremy Clarkson once did the same thing on Top Gear.
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No, the Muskrat GT definitely has the power and weight it should, but the physics and center of gravity are waaaaaaaaaay off.
 
Haha, no problem mate!

Now all that lasts is that you send Identti a pm with a thanks for his work. :)
Would be polite don't you think. :D
 

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