Nürburgring Nordschleife

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I was wondering, has Nürburgring many jumps? I mean I saw real picture from it's main straigth (from 70s) and it has many jumps! Has it still, or have them been removed? And those who have drove it, is it hard track?

Do anyone know are Lancia Rally 037 or Ford Escort MK2 Rally car in the game? They are not in master car list. And what is 778 car list?
 
" Der Nordschleife " doesn't have any real jumps..................but if you race fast enough, you might do some airtime by taking those bumps in the road with 210km/h 👍

i can't garrantee that these rallycars will be included.......i think so but i can't confirm it.
 
DeltaS4
I was wondering, has Nürburgring many jumps? I mean I saw real picture from it's main straigth (from 70s) and it has many jumps! Has it still, or have them been removed? And those who have drove it, is it hard track?

Do anyone know are Lancia Rally 037 or Ford Escort MK2 Rally car in the game? They are not in master car list. And what is 778 car list?
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There are no jumps on the Nordschliefe whatsoever. It's the track where car companies test their cars, so the track will not contain jumps - you'll actually set a faster time if you keep all your wheels on the ground, anyway. You might get a little air off the larger crests, as shown by a #44 Falken Skyline in a few shots, but other than that, it's a road track for road racing - NO JUMPS.

I haven't a Scooby-Doo if those cars are in (rhyming slang for haven't a clue). Dirkiyo, just out of curiosity, how can you guarantee anything unless its from a screenshot or three?

Now, the 778 List, aka the Brazilian Fake Car List. This is a list of 'dream' cars that people wanted to see in GT4 ... it's entirely possible that it originated here on GTP ... anyway, someone found this list of dream cars, put it in order, then released it saying it was the Official List (or close to it) and claiming that every car on list was definately in GT4. But it's easy to tell if you're reading it. It contains a ton of exotics including several Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Koenigseggs and other cars of the like. Whatever you do, don't believe the 778 List because it isn't real. The closest thing we've got is the Master Car List by The359. There's a few pirated verisons floatinga round out there that someone's just copied and pasted, but they have extra cars in there, so The359's is the closest thing to the full list, and, I hope he doesn't mind me saying so, it's still guesswork (but educated guesses).

Unless PD themselves release a car list (and you'll most likely see it on granturismoworld.com), treat anything that has the "Official" car list with caution, because some (and possibly a lot) of it is pure speculation.
 
Sorry, but there are!! -It depends on the speed you go but "Pflanzgarten I" and "Pflanzgarten II" are two jumps on that track for example. :sick: :sick: :sick:
Like "Do you race?" it is right that car companies are testing there cars on that track and there are still races, but if your car is fast enaugh you will get in the air with all 4 weels. Of course not very high but you jump. I really can say this, because i am living just 100 km away from Nürburgring Nordschleife and i was not only one time on that track myself. Untill april I got the Audi S3 chipped with ca. 275ps -that was fast enough. Now I am waiting for next spring and my next car that is good for the Nordschleife -I think it will be the Opel Speedster Turbo.
-And the answer to your second question: The track is really hard, but I have never done anything better than going on that track!!!

-Best wishes -and before you write anything about that track, try it yourself!!! :) :) :)
 

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The story was in the Finnish F1racing magazine and there was told that only best drivers could drive straigth fast because of jumps (or crests). Few F1 drivers even died on straight!
I have seen few photos of real nowadays track and straight don't look same than like it was in the picture from 70s F1 race... :(
Maybe they have change track after accidents.
 
I've got the BMW demo and there's a crest after a straight where you can get air even the in moderately low powered 1 series.
 
DeltaS4
The story was in the Finnish F1racing magazine and there was told that only best drivers could drive straigth fast because of jumps (or crests). Few F1 drivers even died on straight!
I have seen few photos of real nowadays track and straight don't look same than like it was in the picture from 70s F1 race... :(
Maybe they have change track after accidents.
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Well the suspension would be light and stiff, so getting very airborne would damage the car when it comes to land, I would imagine. If you can land without taking damage, I would guess being airborne is faster.

And we all know how much of a problem car damage is in GT4...
 
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If you can land without taking damage, I would guess being airborne is faster.
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Having the driven wheels on the ground at all times is always going to be faster - being in mid-air is only going to slow you down, unless the only alternative is to slow down before the 'crest'.
 
TheCracker
Having the driven wheels on the ground at all times is always going to be faster - being in mid-air is only going to slow you down, unless the only alternative is to slow down before the 'crest'.
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This is true to a certain extent although i would suggest that is depended on how much you had to lift off, because that would be equal to or greater than the loss of speed whilst being airbourne anyway, it therefore would come down to the size of the crest/jump
 
Racing cars are always accelerating (unless they are braking) therefore any time spent in the air (with the driven wheels not in contact to the road) is time spent not accererating and therefore not faster.
 
TheCracker
Racing cars are always accelerating (unless they are braking) therefore any time spent in the air (with the driven wheels not in contact to the road) is time spent not accererating and therefore not faster.
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there is defenetly one place in the track where you can get a bit of air, i've seen Gan San from Best Motoring go airbone on an S2000, i don't think all the tires lifted off, but he defenetly jumped, that downhill looks a little more pronunced in the real track than it does in the BMW demo, i've never gone airbone there in the M1.
 
TheCracker
Racing cars are always accelerating (unless they are braking) therefore any time spent in the air (with the driven wheels not in contact to the road) is time spent not accererating and therefore not faster.
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Firstly racing cars are not always accelerating, or braking. Entering a corner in a powerful car requires first braking in a straight line and the going through the apex of the corner on a 'trailing throttle', this is where the throttle is balanced in a nuetral position when the car is at the maximum velocity in relation to its mechanical/aerodynamic capabilities. With the throttle balanced, the car wont be accelerating, untill full throttle car be deployed on the exit of the corner.
If you had ever driven a powerful car on a race track you would know this.

Going back to what you said then about going over a jump, it would depend on jump and how long you are airbourne as to whether it would be faster to lift off prior to that jump.
 
TheCracker
Racing cars are always accelerating (unless they are braking) therefore any time spent in the air (with the driven wheels not in contact to the road) is time spent not accererating and therefore not faster.
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It's not that simple. Sometimes going airborne is faster, sometimes it isn't. For example, going downhill at Seattle in GT3, can you seriously say that you will be faster if your tyres do not leave the racetrack? I will answer the question for you. You cannot.

It depends on the type of rise/depression in the road, and the speed you are travelling at.
 
Unless it's the final crossroads up the top of Seattle beofre the blind turn - the brakes and steering wheel don't work too well in mid air. Get the R33 HKS Drag in GT2 Arcade, put damage on anddon't bother turning ... see if you can gt back to the pits!
 
The "Pflanzgarten" has a section which is called "Sprunghügel", which is
"jump-hill" translated. I should wonder why it is called like that.

Sure this is a place to go airborne.

A few meters later, there is a section called "Sprunghügel 2" inofficially.

You will notice both jumps even in the BMW version.
 
donbenni
I've got the BMW demo and there's a crest after a straight where you can get air even the in moderately low powered 1 series.
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That's "flugplatz" which means flying place

It was the scene of one of the Ring’s most famous accidents, when the March F2 car of Manfred Winkelhock, its nose damaged in an earlier collision, suddenly took off over the crest. It flipped over backwards and then barrel-rolled into the barriers, Manfred amazingly stepping out unhurt and in true Winkelhock fashion asking a spectator for a cigarette.
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TheCracker
Racing cars are always accelerating (unless they are braking) therefore any time spent in the air (with the driven wheels not in contact to the road) is time spent not accererating and therefore not faster.
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Sorry, but this is bull**** !

Like told before there are three parts of the Nordschleife (I´m living 150 Kilometers away from the "ring"): Flugplatz, Pflanzgarten I and Pflanzgarten II.

The Flugplatz Section is located at a VERY fast part of the Track. Even the DTM-Cars of the Ninetys (which were surely driven by pro´s like Klaus Ludwig or Nicola Larini) jumped at this location. And these cars already had big wings and a good (for these times) ground effect !!!

If you would like to keep all four wheels of these cars on the ground at flugplatz you would have to brake and decelerate for at least 50 Km per hour. And that would automatically mean that you lose positions because the competitors would "fly" over this part of the track and they would overtake on the following fast section to the aremberg Kurve.

That´s a fact !

Same at Planzgarten.

With my little Astra 2.0 16V (136 hp) i´m not able to leave the ground here, but other cars are 60 or maybe 70 Km/H faster there and if they don´t brake for no reasons, they will surely lift the wheels !

All this depends on the Car !

By the way: Longest Jump in the 90th of a DTM Car was Kris Nissen with the Mercedes-Benz 2,5 16V Evo II, with estimated 9 Meters !
 
daan
That's "flugplatz" which means flying place



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That's the straight I did mean! In the picture I saw there was even more crests.
Is that jump in gt4? And i think now you believe there are jumps.
 
Well, even though you got the accent on the 'u' in Nurburgring (dunno how to type it), a lot of people pronounce it 'Nur-burg-ring'. And I'd hazard a guess to say Nordschliefe is pronounced 'Nords-cliff' or 'Nords-kleef'

And if there are jumps on the 'Ring, they certanly weren't intended to be jumps.
 
Nurburgring Nordshleife = Noorboorgring Nord shhleef

But I'm sure there will be a German along soon to put us right
 
Didnt the Formula One cars of the 60's really took off? not like the image previously shown (lucky driver), but I mean i saw this video where they showed the cigar cars of the 60's and it showed them all in the air, not flying but jumping..u know what i mean. Anywho, does anyone know where there are videos of this? and well i guess its best just to wait till gt4 comes out and see for your self...u know? or maybe its just me. whatever. take car yall!!
 

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