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SaintKamus took "wrong" lap times of specific car and compared with GT4 and started thinking that GT4 isn't real. But in fact, its BM lap times with M3 at Tsukuba aren't so real. (e.g. maximum).
M3 CSL goes 1 lap at nurburgring about 40sec faster than latest evo (evo 8 or evo 9). But in BM, its evo that goes 3 sec faster than M3. Now there could be many explanations like "new car, that is unfamiliar to those drivers" or "this car isn't japanese so....political reasons" etc etc. They were testing evos and imprezas all the time at tsukuba, they reached maximum and when we compare laptimes with these cars - everything is OK! (n3 tyres). When we take 20 other cars, smaller ones (s2000 and so on) everything is OK! So there is no point in sticking to only one car (for which we don't have enough RL info) and then shout that GT4 is wrong.
No, everything is fine, your comparison is wrong.
first of all, when did i say "GT4 is all wrong"? you're not even reading my posts i said SOME cars are all wrong, and you STILL THINK N3 tyres are the closer to real ones? god, you wouldn't belive your mom has having an affair if you saw it with your own eyes, i can beat best motoring time on nurburgring of 8'14.xxx (i did 8'10.xxx) with N2 tyres with the Evo VIII MR GSR, and you STILL think think this.. amazing.
And you're assuming all that crap based on what exactly? where's your proof?
what you're saying here, is that best motoring is somehow making the M3 look bad in ALL the tests they have ran, and then go on to say that because an Evo is faster in tsukuba, and slower in Nurburgring (when compared to M3) ... just goes to show that you know absolutley nothing of what you're talking about, you've had many chances to shut up, but you just keep going adding flames and uneducated guesses.
the F40 does 1'03.xxx on tsukuba.. about 1 second faster than an evo VIII MR GSR right? now... lets change the track, and lets go to a faster circuit such as suzuka circuit or Fuiji speedway.. all of a sudden the difference is no longer 1 second.. but a lot more.. wonder why this is? easy, it's a faster track, and the Ferrari can finally put those extra horse power to work, same goes for any other car that has more than 280 HP.. all of a sudden the Evo lacks power (along with evry other JDM car), the same thing applies to an M3 CSL, nuburgring is a VERY fast track compared to Tsukuba, the added weight of the M3 CSL is less of an issue here, and the M3 CSL can finally strech it's legs, so is it surprising that it would be faster than an Evo on this track? hell no, it's EXPECTED!
just run a test by yourself, just to see how full of crap you are.. just take a corvette C5 and take an NSX-R for a lap on nurburgring. (assuming you can even do consistent laps... which i doubt.) those two cars perform about the same when it comes to lap times.. but, you'll see intresting behaviours.
the NSX will take the lead early because of it's lighter weight, but on the first straight it will catchup, and even leave behind the NSX because of the added horsepower. (the straights are very long, specially when comparing them to Tsukuba.)
the Corvette will mantain that lead because the track has a fast pace.. that is. untill you get to the slow part of the track (the part with lots of "S" curves, that starts shortly after the karrusel.) and all of a sudden the corvette will start to lose ground, and get passed by the NSX-R, the vette will be left behind by quite a bit... untill you get to the last straight, then the corvette will catch up again, and they'll both finish at around the same time (like i mentioned before, i think the corvette performs better than it should, i can get around nurburgring on a C5 in around 8 mins avarage and could take it down at least 2-3 seconds more if i drive with out significant mistakes, the C6 gets around nurburgring in about 7'56.xxx)
this little test will show you.. once again, that you are full of it, and have no idea what you're talking about, Tsukuba is a very slow track, a Lotus Elise can run neck to neck with an M3 on Tsukuba... but try this on fuji speedway and the lotus Elise will get left behind on the first straight, and will never get close to the M3 again.
This just shows that you are in fact.. either too stupid, or a liar, or both... why i'm i calling you a liar? i can't concive that some one who has viewed 50+ Best Motoring DVD's didn't know that some cars perform a lot better on a fast track than they do on a slow track, this is one of the first things you notice after viewing a few different battles on different tracks.
i'm typing this not just to explain it to you, i don't care what you think, you're too arrogant to understand anything of what i said, but this will help other people undertsand the effects of power / weight ratio.
Also, in a slow speed circuit like tsukuba AWD brings huge advantages when coming out of a slow speed corner, but then, why would you even consider that? evrything has to be the way you think it should be, nevermind the facts that are publicly available. You didn't even take into account the fact that the difference is big because the track is so long and fast. (there are lonly like 3-4 low speed corners in the whole nurburgring track!)
-- Kamus.
--- Mods, this is getting out of hand, i'm sick of having to shut this guy up time and time again, this guy is just spaming the forum flaming, and pretty much missleading people with out any hard evidence of anything of what he says.
