NASCAR ain't as easy as it looks...

[Nicksfix]

Bets on how long this thread takes to get locked? Anybody...

It wont make it thru the night.

Agreed,this thread looks like a dogs back leg.......on topic / off topic / on topic / off topic / flamewar.........all the ingredients are here.

 

[Diego440]

Why did you make this thread? You are just asking for a flame war. People have their opinions and it's not worth your time to try and change them.

Hardly, this is you starting a flame war against anyone who dares say something bad about NASCAR.

 

[Northstar]

How, Did I start this thread? No Did I start the NASCAR bashing? No.

Sorry, I don't like to sit and take punches, I fight back.

 

[chepe371]

It's boxing versus kung-fu they each have their specialty, power and agility, but also their own challenges, nascar is about endurance and strategy, kind of military(like most american sports), f-1 is reflex, opportunism and knowledge.

 

[Diego440]

How, Did I start this thread? No Did I start the NASCAR bashing? No.

Regardless, anytime someone mentions anything negative about NASCAR, you get a hissy fit and start flaming.

Sorry, I don't like to sit and take punches, I fight back.

oooo I'm scared!

No one punched you, dude! No one insulted you or said bad things about your momma. Some people are just more ignorant than others and know more or less about Nascar than the rest. In a forum this size and with such a different array of nationalities, you have to expect some people not liking (or understanding) what is essentially an American motorsport.

I'm not going to sit here and debate whether Nascar is easy or hard or boring or fun, either. The thread is in the Gran Turismo 5 forum and it's about the inclusion of Nascar in the game and how it may or may not be as easy as people think from watching a race on TV; it is not about whether you have to have an IQ above 27 to be able to race it, so get over yourself.

 

[RMB161799]

I realize that earlier in this thread I was off-topic so therefore I feel the need to contribute something worthwhile to this thread.

I hope NASCAR is very challenging in this game and I think with PD at the wheel (yes pun intended) this could be a part of the game that everyone who picks up this game could be very surprised with. The only thing that worries me is whether or not PD is actually familiar with the intricacies of NASCAR or just picked it up for name value.

Spring rubbers, chassis adjustments, tire pressure, wedge, tire strategy and fuel windows are all a BIG part of NASCAR. In addition spotters, pit crew and crew chiefs are just as much a part of the brand as the cars and drivers. Teammates and team work would probably be hard to implement with the current GT engine. Blah Blah Blah anyway this is the kinda stuff that worries me about how well NASCAR will be implemented into GT.

 

[Northstar]

Regardless, anytime someone mentions anything negative about NASCAR, you get a hissy fit and start flaming.



oooo I'm scared!

No one punched you, dude! No one insulted you or said bad things about your momma. Some people are just more ignorant than others and know more or less about Nascar than the rest. In a forum this size and with such a different array of nationalities, you have to expect some people not liking (or understanding) what is essentially an American motorsport.

I'm not going to sit here and debate whether Nascar is easy or hard or boring or fun, either. The thread is in the Gran Turismo 5 forum and it's about the inclusion of Nascar in the game and how it may or may not be as easy as people think from watching a race on TV; it is not about whether you have to have an IQ above 27 to be able to race it, so get over yourself.

Where have I flamed? I have argued which isn't flaming.

Also, you have personally insulted me.

 

[Rykon Zero]

Nascar is not easy. Racing at 200 five inches away from another car for 500 laps is impossible for me. In Nascar, you are fighting the other people, with the track being of minor importance.

Formula 1 is not easy. Racing at 140 a few feet from another car while going around corners at not much less than that would be, frankly, easy for me. In Formula 1, you are fighting the track foremost and going after other drivers second.

I am not saying F1 is easier than Nascar. Much the opposite. With proper training, I could get the composure needed for Nascar. Then it would be easy.

 

[XGRaViSmOrSX]

No racing is easy, its all hard to do.

exactly. which is something many people forget.

 

[Earth]

I am not saying F1 is easier than Nascar. Much the opposite. With proper training, I could get the composure needed for Nascar. Then it would be easy.

Scott Speed said its easy to drive a Sprint Cup car at it's limit

Of drivers with at least 24 starts, Scott Speed is 35th out 37 in the points. The 38th place driver only has 12 starts. Speed has 26 starts.

So of 37 drivers who competed in most of the races Scott Speed has only accumulated more points then 2 of them.

2 of 37. 35th out of 37.

Driving a stock car on an oval, like any other racing series, can be easy when the car is handling well (easy doesn't always mean fast though in Scott Speed's case). Too bad most of the time the cars don't handle well. When a stock car is not handling well I dont think there is any other racecar in the world that races on fixed courses that behaves as badly.

Marcos Ambrose has said he has never driven a racecar that moves around more then a NASCAR COT.

It can not be stated enough what type of pigs COTs are. 850 HP, low, primitive downforce, narrow tires that are the same size on front as they are on back, and 3,400 lbs. (1542kgs).

 

[I-Runner]

NASCAR is boring, official.

Mai NOIOSA come la F1 di oggi .. (i answer you in Italian )

NEver boring as F1 today ....

jk..

but you say its hard, but you CANNOT compare it to F1, FIA GT and LMP, DTM and especially WRC...

Vincere in un ovale nn è cosi semplice..
e non è una passeggiata! questo te lo dimostra le vicende di
un certo "gringo".

It's not so easy to win in a oval ... "gringo" docet !!


Semmai NON si può comparare la F1 attuale alle gare VERE
tipo FIA GT o DTM and NASCAR (mettiamoci anche il WTCC),


And don't compare F1 to real RACES ... (FIA GT or DTM and NASCAR..)


I-R

 

[balang_479]

Im glad ive made people angry

 

[Diego440]

Also, you have personally insulted me.

I disagree... I called a spade for a spade. If I wanted to insult you, I'd had called you an asshat or something.

But use the report button, that's what it's for.

 

[JToipa]

NASCAR is hard, but just not fun :/

 

[Max Powers]

Using ain't in your thread title like that really doesn't help change the image of the toothless uneducated NASCAR fan. (using words like "ain't" makes you look really stupid actually.)

Oh yeah, NASCAR is so easy a caveman can do it!

 

[JM1681]

I think I'd more respect for Nascar if the stakes were as high as they are in F1.

In F1, you get into another car or have an impact and there is a pretty decent chance that your race day is done. Whereas everything I've seen of Nascar, it just seems like a giant round of bumper cars. The cars ALWAYS touch.

Come to think of it, it's a lot like GT You don't care about a clean race because the consequences of an impact don't necessarily end yours.

 

[reaperman]

I'll qualify this by stating that it's entirely my opinion.

No doubt actually driving in NASCAR is an assault on the muscles and nerves of drivers. And the most expensive vehicles are only trusted to the most skilled drivers available.
No, there's certainly skill involved in nascar.

I have no problem with nascar. I have a problem with nascar video games. Most of the scenery is the same, most of the tracks are simlar, and my favorite part of driving (winding roads) is totally missing from the mix. Racing video-nascar doesn't provide me with much fun. And then because of the simple tracks, and pack racing, online amounts to playing bumpercars with a pack of 10 year olds who want to see big crashes.

However, GT5 isn't just a game for me. And GT5 isn't really a NASCAR game--it's a total driving game. There will be more than enough for me to do. And you know what? If it turns out that I'm right about the bumpercar players all going over on the oval, then I have even less to complain about. I guess my big worry with nascar here, is that it's pretty popular, and I'll have trouble getting a decent online race going because everybody's doing ovals.

 

[Earth]

I think I'd more respect for Nascar if the stakes were as high as they are in F1.

In F1, you get into another car or have an impact and there is a pretty decent chance that your race day is done. Whereas everything I've seen of Nascar, it just seems like a giant round of bumper cars. The cars ALWAYS touch.

Come to think of it, it's a lot like GT You don't care about a clean race because the consequences of an impact don't necessarily end yours.

That's not always a bad thing though. It could be said F1 drivers would be more willing to attempt passes if they could get away with minimal contact. People criticize NASCAR for letting so many on track incidents go unpunished, but the truth is if they penalized contact for almost every single crash like F1 it would scare the drivers away from trying to pass, just like F1.

I watch all forms of motorsport, they all have negatives and positives. Let's move on

I have no problem with nascar. I have a problem with nascar video games. Most of the scenery is the same, most of the tracks are simlar, and my favorite part of driving (winding roads) is totally missing from the mix. Racing video-nascar doesn't provide me with much fun. And then because of the simple tracks, and pack racing, online amounts to playing bumpercars with a pack of 10 year olds who want to see big crashes.

Fortunately I've had the opportunity to race NASCAR 2003 by Papyrus for the PC online for many years when as many as 500 drivers were online at one time. Racing 42 other adults on an oval watched over by a "boss" who has the power to eject people is funner then most would ever know

 

[alonsof1fan91]

I can`t watch NASCAR, but sometimes they show a race on the TV. Hate me, but it isn`t that exciting for me. I dont like Oval racing.

But I`m not one of this haters who think NASCAR doens`t need skill. Driving a race with those beasts must be really hard. And driving fast is even more difficult.

But, maybe it`s due to the fact, that im not a NASCAR Fan, but i can`t emagine that the people working and driving there are doing their jobs so proffessionel like the Teams in F1 or LMS.

 

[Earth]

But, maybe it`s due to the fact, that im not a NASCAR Fan, but i can`t emagine that the people working and driving there are doing their jobs so proffessionel like the Teams in F1 or LMS.

haha I love F1 fans. Bragging about the hotels the teams stay in, how the people who work on the cars are called engineers, but in NASCAR they're called mechanics.

Pretty sad that when Bernie Eccelstone was was in Indianapolis a few years ago he refused to stay in the city because at the time it didn't have any 5 star hotels.

So he flew 200 miles away to Chicago every evening over the entire F1 weekend back and fourth just so he could stay at a 5 star hotel

As for professionalism,

NASCAR shop. Looks pretty professional to me. Were you expecting a barn? Just because teams don't pump tens of millions of dollars into losing efforts like Toyota in F1 doesn't mean they aren't professional.

 

[Schmo]

Its funny you posted that pic. Its really nice garage belonging to Robbie Gordon. One of the few, Single car teams thats also a Driver/Owner team. You should she the Hendrick garages.

 

[Northstar]

Your picture doesn't match your statement, I'm sure Gordon has put tens of millions into that losing operation.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

haha I love F1 fans. Bragging about the hotels the teams stay in, how the people who work on the cars are called engineers, but in NASCAR they're called mechanics.

Pretty sad that when Bernie Eccelstone was was in Indianapolis a few years ago he refused to stay in the city because at the time it didn't have any 5 star hotels.

So he flew 200 miles away to Chicago every evening over the entire F1 weekend back and fourth just so he could stay at a 5 star hotel

As for professionalism,

NASCAR shop. Looks pretty professional to me. Were you expecting a barn? Just because teams don't pump tens of millions of dollars into losing efforts like Toyota in F1 doesn't mean they aren't professional.


U missunderstood me (and u forgot, that im not so in into NASCAR)

I talked about the way how those people work. Those engineers, the drivers, the mechanicans. Maybe u can tell me a bit more about it! Are they really so... uahm... "ultra perfect"... like the ones in the F1 or the Audi LMS Team?

 

[Northstar]

Of course they aren't ultra perfect, but neither are the teams from either of those sports/teams. Not sure what you mean, but the people that work at a NASCAR shop normally have to have college degree's in engineering before they start working there. Sure the job title is different but they all have the same skill set.

 

[Schmo]

Your picture doesn't match your statement, I'm sure Gordon has put tens of millions into that losing operation.

This is true

Still cant recall the last time he won something.

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

I hate all the NASCAR bashers as much as the next guy, but even those who defend only mention that its hard to pack race and its all a thinking game and pit stops and so on and so forth. What nobody ever mentions is that NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars are hard to drive. Sure it wouldnt seem it since you just go left (the usuall argument) but the truth is it's very difficult. Stock Cars have alot of horsepower which means the rear end almost never has grip coming out of the turns. You cant mash the gas coming out of a corner you have to very slowly roll out of the throttle and half the time countersteer. Even on the ovals those cars are pitched around 5 degrees going though the corners because the rear end always wants to come around. Dont belive me? buy a copy of Nascar Racing 2003 Season for the PC or get yourself an iracing.com suscription and try running an impalla SS around Atlanta without hitting anything. If GT5 gets the physics down correctly, you're all in for a hell of a surprize.

BTW i highly reccomend iracing.com. Best racing sim on the PC! (probably ever)

Montoya claims that an F1 driver moving to NASCAR would struggle more than a NASCAR driver moving to F1. Then again he would say that. Still, David Coulthard gave credence to that opinion as well, saying that stock cars are far less predictable in their handling than an F1 car.

All the same, I refuse to believe that they would be 'harder' to drive than an F1 car. Though, I do realise you're not implying this.

 

[JM1681]

...It could be said F1 drivers would be more willing to attempt passes if they could get away with minimal contact...

Perhaps.

Still, I can't understand racing in which causing accidents is not only acceptable, but expected.

Again, I don't watch Nascar but isn't that what it's all about? Big wrecks, lots of speed and testosterone?

 

[SR-71_Blackbird]

This is true

Still cant recall the last time he won something.

Gordon won a race earlier this year. I have seen less ignorant people at a KKK meeting than in this thread. Nascar does get boring sometimes when tracks that were built for a driving challenge that dont allow for multi groove racing come in play. Most tracks are designed to allow drivers to play around and this allows for cars to race each other. WRC is mostly about knowing the limit and not crossing it. its not as if the drivers had no idea about stages as they do repeat them in a rally weekend. F1 is more about th machines than the people. This year with all the diffuser talk has shown this point more and more as drivers that couldnt get 1 point in years back are leading the championship. Drivers are very talented in all of these types of motorsports, and some have moved around. JPM from F1-NASCAR, S Loeb from WRC-LMS, J Gordon from NASCAR-F1. They have shown they have the skill even in a small test to be atleast midpack if not better with as little training as they recieved. The best comparison I have is flying a F-16 which is a small lightweight good handling airplane for a F-14 which is more about speed and firepower and then go to a SU-37 which is more about the ultimate maneuvers. They are all for skilled pilots to fly, and just because you can fly one doesn't mean you will automatically fly the others, but with some time you can atleast be mediocre.

 

[JM1681]

All the same, I refuse to believe that they would be 'harder' to drive than an F1 car...

I quote Robert Duvall giving a bit of coaching to one Cole Trickle...

When you were drivin' open wheel, the tires were twice as wide, and the car weighed half as much. Now the car weighs TWICE as much and the tires are half as wide...

 

[Schmo]

Gordon won a race earlier this year.

I'm talking about Robbie Gordon, not Jeff. Robbie hasnt won this year. I check the results, but if I'm wrong please tell me where he did win at.