Need settings for Peugeot 905 Race car

[SolidSniper]

Please i need the settings of the peugeot 905

 

[Zardoz]

Please i need the settings of the peugeot 905.

Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, there may not be any that will help. After watching replays and seeing it sparking from bottoming out all over the track on Sarth I raised the ride height a bit and it helped a little, but its still a very scary ride. One tiny mistake and you're up against the wall, facing backwards.

This car is my biggest single disappointment in GT4. It's terrible high-speed instability and that weird shift lag (that feels for all the world like bad turbo lag) make it uncompetitive.

PD has given this beautiful double Le Mans winner no respect at all. It wouldn't have killed them to make this French car about as good as the Japanese cars of the same era, but they had to make it look bad. Its a shame.

 

[SolidSniper]

yeah now im gonna buy a good race car but i dont know what car

 

[Spada_05]

I bought this car yesterday and it's my first LMP so I can't make any comparisons. All I know is I absolutely love it. I am in the middle of the GT World Champ atm and I'm lashing the Minolta, a Sauber C9 and both the group C Nissans. I've always been a fan of the way these cars looked and was gobsmacked when I found it in the game but then I heard people moaning about not being able to beat these cars in the 905 and was almost put off buying it - what is wrong with you!? This is so easy I feel let down by the competition. I do not understand what is wrong with your cars if you can't lap Le Sarthe without spinning. I'm not trying to look like the biggestman or anything, I seriously don't have any problem whatsoever. My bro bought the xj-r and by comparison the peugeot is EASy to drive. Haven't touched my settings, and don't even THINK about buying turbos for it - it's shredding it's rear tires as it is. The only thing I can think of for you guys to do is to go to the settings menu, and flick it to "Set B" or "Set C" to get the completely default setup back. Do not touch anything and go race. This car is my first true love in GT4!

 

[Spada_05]

It does take about a second to change gear though. ps if you think that feels like turbo lag, you're a foolish fool!

 

[F1 superstar]

i love this car. i love all my cars, but this one is a BEAST! the dfp makes it unreal.

 

[Zardoz]

...I'm lashing the Minolta, a Sauber C9 and both the group C Nissans...what is wrong with you!? This is so easy I feel let down by the competition...

That's remarkable, especially considering that this is the first positive thing I've heard anybody say about the 905 on any forum.

I use my B-Spec driver as a cross-check whenever I run into a car that I can't be competitive in. I have him try cars in races on Sarth, Tokyo R246, and El Capitan. In this case, he rockets away from the cars you mentioned above in the Audi R8, 787B, GT-One, BMW LMR, and both Pescarolos.

He can't keep them in sight when he's piloting the Peugeot, even with Stage 4 power. Worse yet, he can't keep it on the road either, unless I cut the speed back to "3". He'll either run wide and go off into the dirt, or overshoot his brake point and slam a wall very hard if I try "4". On "5" he just drives the 905 right off course within two or three turns. In the great prototypes I mentioned in the previous paragraph, he is error-free on "4", and can often make several perfect laps (depending on the track) on "5".

So its just not me. Its other players too, and our B-Spec drivers.

...ps if you think that feels like turbo lag, you're a foolish fool!...

And you're a real...

I'll just let that go. You're going to be a real hit on this forum.

Once again, my B-Spec driver thinks it's turbo lag, too. When he misses a brake point at the end of a long straight, which he always does in the 905 unless I manually cut the speed back to "2" just in time, and slams hard into the wall, coming to a near-stop, the Peugeot just sits there, and sits there, and sits there, crawling along at a walking pace, waiting and waiting for the turbo to spool up. It takes three or four seconds for the poor thing to get going again.

Yes, I think that indicates a turbo lag problem. If you think that makes me a "foolish fool", I'll somehow have to live with that...


EDIT: A thought just occurred to me. Spada and F1, where are you located? Do you have the NTSC version of the game, or the PAL version? I'm just wondering if PD has managed to somehow bork the NTSC version of the Peugeot.

 

[Spada_05]

I have the PAL version of GT4. I was only joking when i called you a fool but I guess you weren't to know so apologies. It sounded like the lag you initially spoke about "shift lag" was in relation to the gearchange, and to me, that just feels like a stupidly slow shift time. What you're now speaking of (complete lack of torque at low revs) is alot more like it. It has such a high revving engine it's to be expected when you're off the cam. Also, having done a couple more races I can now more understand the uncompetiveness you're talking about. It is a real challenge on the slower circuits but I really have no problems on non-street races.

ed- It's this high speed stability thing that is confusing me. My brother bought the XJ-R and the Peugeot feels much lighter and more precise round high speed corners. I prefer it's handling by far. I did a 5:48 around the 'ring and it wasn't a particularly special lap. As long as you stay off the curbs it's not scary at all. There is no way a car with high speed stability problems could manage that.

 

[Zardoz]

...I did a 5:48 around the 'ring and it wasn't a particularly special lap. As long as you stay off the curbs it's not scary at all. There is no way a car with high speed stability problems could manage that...

I agree, which makes me even more suspicious of our NTSC version. I would love to see somebody get a lap like that with the Peugeot 905 I have. I tried it and gave up after less than a third of a lap. I just could not keep it on the track.

I'll try it again on the 'Ring, to confirm that its as bad there as I thought it was.

(But how could cars be very different in the two versions of the game? Is that even possible?)

 

[Spada_05]

Zardoz, try this: Go on El Capitan and you know the right turn just after the tunnel where you go over the crest of a hill and your car goes light? Well I can take that flat if i get the right line. Back wheels light up completely and car skews sideways and i can just stay on the power and I know it will stay stuck. I drove like a lunatic in the race and only spun once when i touched some sand.
I have seen people complaining of cars that seem to just break. Something happens and they can't get it back the way it used to be, no matter what they try. Perhaps this is what's going on with your car? Has it been crap since you got it?

Haven't played for a couple of days, but my results from the GT World champ so far are as follows:
Tokyo: 1st, by about 20 seconds
High Speed ring: 1st by about 5 secs. Brilliant race between me, the minolta and the sauber. Nothing in it for the first stint, lead changing places 2 or three times per lap. Managed to make a second during the pitstops and proved enough to break away from the pack. Brilliant!
Hong Kong: 4th (You couldn't design a worse track for this car if you tried - I found i could actually save about 2 seconds a lap by avoiding 2nd gear completely, ridiculous)
Seoul: 1st by 15 seconds
El Capitan: I made 2 pit stops out of luxury. 1st by 15 seconds. I was making 4 or 5 seconds a lap on the Sauber. It must be said that the AI is very slow on this track.
Opera reverse: No way was I trying this myself, I was tempted to withdraw completely but decided to B-spec it on the offchance of a point or two. Anyway, I did qualifying and got 3rd place in front of the 787B and the Nissans. Managed to keep the 787B and one of the nissans behind me for the first stint. Long story short, every car except me pitted twice and the Sauber was the only one fast enough to end up in front of me for the finish. 2nd place!
New York: 1st place. Made about a second per lap.
Suzuka: I tried to B-spec this track because I don't know it very well. Forgot that the B-spec driver is utterly crap at this track. I ran off the track on the first lap on pace 4. I just quit it after 2 laps and 3 offs. I'm still leading the championship by 10 points.

Sorry again for assuming it was you're fault and not the car. I never imagined it would vary from version to version.

 

[Zardoz]

I decided to start all over with the 905, and I'm glad I did.

I sold the original one and bought a new one. I got the stiffener for it, and that may be the key to the terrible problems I was having with the first one. I can't remember when I got the stiffener for the original, but I think I might have added it later, before I realized that this is a major no-no. I could very well have added the stiffener after the car had many miles on it, which, apparently, locks the chassis into that worn-out state forever. I'm not at all sure of this, but its possible.

In any case, the new car is far better. I still can't quite rate it in stock form among the top Le Mans cars like the R8, Speed 8, Bimmer, and Pescarolos, and of course it pales compared to the Minolta car. However, I would say it is definitely the equal of the Sauber C9.

In fact, I am now running the Sarth II 24-Hour with it. I continually bailed and re-entered until I got the best field possible: Minolta Toyota, Sauber C9, Nissan R92CP, Nissan R89C, and Jag XJR-9. A fine field of Group C cars, circa 1988 to 1992.

At the 5-hour mark (92 laps), the 905 has a scant 38-second lead over the Minolta car, with the C9 just 14 seconds further back. It took 64 laps to lap the 6th-place Jag, and the 905 just lapped the R89C.

All the cars are going 8 laps between pit stops. I'm getting away with running R2 hard tires front and rear on the Peugeot, which gives it a tiny advantage. It has the Stage 4 turbo and a 2.82 final (tranny trick gearset) gives it a top A-Spec speed of 244 on the long Sarth II straight. The B-Spec "governor" is limiting it to 221, of course, although I saw 236 drafting on the second lap.

I'm using these settings:

SR 12.5 / 12.5
RH 82 / 86
SB 6 / 7
SR 6 / 7
C 2.0 / 1.0
T 1 / 0
St. 5 / 5
BB 6 / 1
LSD 10/40/20
ASM 0 / 0
TCS 10

The brake balance and TCS settings are to conserve the rear tires. Seems to work as I can get 8 laps on those R2 rears.

Even though the ride height is considerable higher than stock, I'm still seeing lots of sparks on the straight. Oddly, I occasionally get a huge shower of sparks emanating from just inside the right rear wheel. What in the world is up with that?

Typical laps are in the 3:11 to 3:15 range. The Minolta car seems to be averaging laps less than a half-second slower.

Interestingly enough, B-Spec Bob still cannot keep the Peugeot on the road at any speed setting above "3". He'll miss the braking point at Mulsanne at the end of the straight, and drift wide at several other places, on "4". "5" is still a farce for him with this car.

This is a very interesting enduro. I'll keep you posted.
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EDIT: At the 10:30 mark both the 88C-V and the C-9 have narrowed the gap a bit. The Minolta car has closed to 58 seconds behind, about ten seconds closer than before. It appears that the three or four seconds the Peugeot loses on unattended pit stops could really hurt. When you monitor a pit stop, and click OK as soon as the pit dialogue box opens, there is no delay. However, if you don't do that, the car will pull into the pit and the crew will just stand there for a few seconds before beginning work.

Not a big deal in a 24-hour race? Consider this: On lap 191 the Peugeot did a 3:12.128, the Toyota did a 3:12.605, and the Sauber, closing on the Toyota now and only nine seconds behind it, did a 3:12.327.

The Peugeot barely gains any ground at all in the eight laps between pit stops. If I go to bed and let the race run for eight hours with unattended pit stops, I could find the 905 well behind when I get up. Looks like I'm going to have to pause the game when I go to bed, or I could find myself not getting that second Bentley Speed 8 I'd love to have.

This is an amazingly good race!

(Lap 199: Yow! The Sauber is only four seconds behind the Toyota!)

 

[Zardoz]

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Hour 13: Concerned about what would happen on attended pit stops while I slept, I tried switching to R3 Medium front tires. Lo and behold, she'll still go eight laps between stops! The stops are still triggered by low fuel, with just 6 liters left as she pulls in.

Lap times have been cut by a good two seconds. Bob just burned a 3:10.098, and has pulled out to a 1:57 lead at Lap 241.

We got 'em on the run now! Go Peugeot! Vive la France!

I'll sleep well tonight.

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Hour 17: Finally lapped the Sauber on Lap 319. The Toyota is slowing and is about 20 seconds behind the C9. Got it made now. Off to bed. Looking forward to picking up my shiny new Speed 8 in the morning!

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[Spada_05]

Glad to hear you've got it working better. I think B-Spec is not always a good measure of a car: I have noticed that it can drive some of my cars well, and yet has an absolute nightmare with cars of equal ability. For example: I have an Alfa 155 DTM car, and the A4. With myself at the wheel, these cars are roughly as fast as each other, but my B-spec driver can't drive the Alfa for love nor money, whereas he'll casually destroy the competition in the A4.
I was never trying to say that this is the best Le Mans car on the game, just that I found it very cool to drive. It feels almost like the F1 car to me...

ps. Finished the World Champ now and won both Grand Valley and Le Sarthe.

 

[Murcie Me]

i too was disappointed by the pug 905 in this game, i do believe is its sour grapes by the japanese in making the only cars that actually won le mans worse than the Japanese counterparts of the era. The only car japanese car to win le mans, the 787b only did so because teh organisers game them a special weight limit break! indeed as soon as mazda played on a level field they were nowhere, and toyota and nissan in the late 90's, your having a laugh!

anyway to the pug, as the car looks so good on replays i have stuck with it and sorted out some of the problems. the biggest difference you will make to the speed of this car is to use the manual gear box. in conjunction with this dump first gear out by making it very tall, you lose a ratio but as the gearchange is slow it writes itself off. i am away from home at the mo so could'nt tell you exactly what the ratios are, but will post them when i get back.

the other big improvement i found with the car was also rasing the ride height, nearly to the maximum. certainly if you like blasting around the ring, i have run a 542, with mistakes. i would guess 530 is abou the limit for my skills anyway).

the next thing i want to sort is the braking from high speed. at the moment the car is very twitchy, i am hoping this can be sorted with camber and toe settings, but have not fiddled yet

i agree totally with the comments earlier that on street circuts the car is mighty, on tokyo, nothing can hold a candle to it!

if PD had not spoiled the car with the gearchange it would be awesome, alas i am still faster in the minolta, which is a pity, because it looks like crap and in real life was a total bucket of ****e!

 

[Zardoz]

... I do believe it is sour grapes by the Japanese in making the only cars that actually won Le Mans worse than the Japanese counterparts of the era...if PD had not spoiled the car with the gearchange it would be awesome...

I couldn't agree more. This is just another example of how PD has skewed things toward Japanese cars. More than one poster has mentioned in various forums that they think PD gets some sort of financial backing from Japanese manufacturers to make their cars look good. Its good marketing, because so many GT4 players really might be influenced in later buying decisions by what they experience in the game.


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[wee_man]

i too was disappointed by the pug 905 in this game, i do believe is its sour grapes by the japanese in making the only cars that actually won le mans worse than the Japanese counterparts of the era. The only car japanese car to win le mans, the 787b only did so because teh organisers game them a special weight limit break! indeed as soon as mazda played on a level field they were nowhere, and toyota and nissan in the late 90's, your having a laugh!

if PD had not spoiled the car with the gearchange it would be awesome, alas i am still faster in the minolta, which is a pity, because it looks like crap and in real life was a total bucket of ****e!

Absolutly 👍
The Toyota group C was quick, but it was blasted by the other group C's of it's day (e.g. the Saubers, the Jag, Nissan and others), and for PD to make it so quick.....well I dunno where they got that from. The Nissans were very quick, but from what I gather they couldn't hold a race pace. One thing thats come to my mind how the Japanese group C's are so quick possibly is, maybe PD has got them running at full boost. Remember back then they had a certain fuel limit for the race, so in qualifying the turbo cars were very quick, but as soon as it came to a race they had to turn the wick on the turbos down, and slow their pace, which would explain possibly why they'd be so quick. The Jaguar and Sauber were N/A engines and from what I gather neither two are particualrly amazing cars from the others. I can't really speak from experiance as I've just got the game and haven't had the time to get any of the group C's, but it's just my little theory. And the Mazda.......my old man was at that race and he said it was blown away by all the competition but it only really won through attrition. Yeah it's a good car but apparantly it couldn't hold a candle to the Saubers.
I have to confess from what I've read I'm quite dissapointed that the Jag isn't quicker. Ok be it's the oldest group C out of the lot and very heavy as well, but it was a stable sturdy car.
Thats one thing that's probably marsking the real characteristics of the cars in the game (IMO) is that PD haven't managed to show how the cars differ over a single lap and race distance. As I said before the Jaguar and Mercedes were mighty over a race distance and usuaully qualified a lot further down the pack, but they produced stable lap times, where as the Toyota was quick in qualifying but couldn't hold a race pace.
Anywayz this was entirely bassed on my group C experiance and what my old mans told me so i could be compltly wrong, but still just some theory's by me.