New AE86?

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Good point, yet I still feel a need to stick to my opinion...

So, I guess that leaves me with: It is cleaner (in styling) than most vehicles that I have seen most commonly on the streets.
 
This could be the rumoured AE86:

Autoblog
Out of nowhere: Toyota says Celica replacement coming to Europe in 2009
In an article in Automotive News about Toyota's opposition to a maximum speed limit on Germany's autobahn, the publication's Deutsch counterpart, Automobilwoche, reported that Toyota intends to bring the Celica back to market sometime in 2009. The only semi-sporting model in Toyota's lineup was killed in 2005 both here and abroad, and although it doesn't mention sales in the U.S., it stands to reason that if Toyota does decide to revive the Celica, a model here in the States would be a distinct possibility.

What form the new Celica might take is open to debate, but the recent rumblings of a low-cost RWD model might hint at the future. If Scion gets the rumored rear-driver, is it too far of a stretch that an upmarket version could don the Toyota emblem? In short: we hope so.
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To be honest, if they bring back the Celica name I want a FWD car. Not a RWD car. And especially not an upscale one at that.
 
Toronado
That would be a nice compromise, but only as an option. And I still don't want the words "upscale" involved.
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Yes, I'd like a cheap 4wd with huge aftermarket potential.
 
The original Celicas were FR, Why shouldnt' this one be?

Give us a -GE version of the 2.4L 2AZ-FE. Please. Pretty please. with wide-angle twin-cam heads on top.
 
Jim Prower
The original Celicas were FR, Why shouldnt' this one be?
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Three reasons: 1. RWD (and Celica sized) would make it heavy and expensive, meaning it would need more power. Which would make it more of a Supra than a Celica. 2. There was never anything wrong with the FWD Celica's, and they were very easily made AWD in every market. Handling wise, the Celica's were top notch. 3. There is only 2 RWD Celica's anyone ever remembers: The First one, and the one that they based the first Supra on. It simply makes more sense to keep the Celica FWD and offer a Supra replacement than to try to force the Celica to be what it hasn't been since the 1980s.
 
One thought that crossed my mind. Maybe, just maybe, this is Toyota's answer to the Nascar Nationwide changes where they'll now run Camaros, Challengers, and Mustangs. They could end up making this somewhat of a competitor to those. I do think that they would use the Supra name however for this kind of car.

Then again I could be completely wrong.
 
Toronado
And I still don't want the words "upscale" involved.
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Certainly not. Under current Toyota thought "upscale" = no fun, heavy, expensive, so-so quality, and the ability to drive itself.

Why would I want that when they could easily update the old Celica and still make a lot of people happy?
 
FR or AWD please. Every FF model except the 7th Gen GT-S was slow and bleh. The AWD Turbo's were nice, but they died in US once we started getting the 6th gen, which looked great but had no guts.

3 generations of the Celica were FR, 4 generations FF but 3 of those had AWD Turbo options in Japan and Europe. And there has only been one real FF performance model.

So once again, I say FR!
 
Toronado
You make it sound as if the Celica was an uncompetitive dog for the whole of its FWD life.
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In the US, it was right up till the 2ZZ-GE powered 7th gen model. Honda basically owned it with the Prelude from what I recalled. :indiff:
 
By the time the Prelude was convincingly better than the Celica (in the form of the exquisite 4th generation car) it had turned into an old persons car, whereas the Celica was still an pretty good Integra competitor.
To sum up, I think you are looking at the American Celica too much in your assessment. While the 6th gen car did allow its competitors to pull ahead, elsewhere in the world it was still very competitive even during the 6th gen.
 
... The Celica... (would be nice to have some intro music) (or maybe go with an old celica picture to some muzak) :ouch:

Like a Prelude or Integra, the stock base model Celica was fun and relatively cheap. More powerful and optioned models were availible (although I never cared for the "ribbed" side skirts of the last generation's most flamboyant US model). None the less, the Celica, by 2005 had become a relatively focused light weight fwd compact sports car. By comparison the Miata and RWD made it look silly to enthusiast but the Celica was still enjoyable.

Adding RWD to a Celica is good. :dopey:
If Toyota actually made a RWD Celica, I wouldn't be suprised to see a re-designed Scion TC with RWD badged as the Celica.

If that is the extent of change... 👍
I'd be satisfied with nothing more than an un-changed TC running RWD from the factory. That's good for the market, the driver, heck- even the economy. :D

However, should they upscale it with technology, chrome, and weight, I'd much rather see them badge it as a Supra.

The engines Toyota produces are good engines (in my opinion). With the 2.3 or 2.4 4-cyl. used in the Camry it's possible to produce upwards of 150hp. That's more than enough to match the base model from previous generations (of celica).👍
Should the car be upscaled, I'd want to see a 6 cylinder (with a "supra" I'd expect an eight from lexus or something). :indiff:

Right now my gut tells me Toyota is progressing simply because of the new Corolla. Although most will scoff at the idea, the '09 Corolla represent progress. Though it is not changed by much more than appearance, the XRS model now comes with three transmission options all linked to the same 160hp 2.3 I expect to see in the Celica.
That move alone, putting a Camry engine into a Corolla tells me Toyota is moving in the right direction.
It's not like it really takes all that much for any company to put a different engine in a car and I see Toyota taking a step in the right direction by giving the average Corolla more engine transmission options.

In my opinion, this change represents Toyota's intention to up-scale cars.
What can you do to upgrade a Corolla? Give it a better engine? Based on the last generation, apparently not. :ouch:
However, that p.o.s. with an automatic sells like crazy. 💡
Put a nice engine in the automatic version? That's not good for enthusiast but it's great enthusiasm for people who aren't enthusiast (understand?). Suddenly Corollas are the same cars as before with just a little more grunt and grip (because the tires will change with the engine I'd hope).
Under those circumstances the Corolla's position in the market doesn't change, it just gets a little jolt... That's not much but it's enough to tell me a NASCAR racing Japanese car manufacturer MIGHT really be considering a product to replace the many sports cars they've killed off over time.

Here's to dreaming... :cheers:
Here's to bogus rumors... 👎
Here's to Toyota screwing up... :banghead:
 

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