New Design - Compact Full Motion RIG

  • Thread starter Thread starter natchamp
  • 30 comments
  • 6,635 views
Messages
18
United States
SoCal
Like most of you I am shooting for the most immersion I can get. I like the idea of full motion but as you know, that doesn’t come cheap. So I’ve decided to design and build my own motion rig. I am fortunate that I design/manufacture things for a living so I have CNC machines and am well versed in all of the steps required to pursue such a project. For the design I set the following attributes as goals:

1 Compact. I want the unit to be as compact as possible, not requiring a dedicated room. I want it to be moveable if necessary.

2 Light Weight. To facilitate goal# 1 the unit has to be light weight.

3 Motion. I want to use off-the-shelf components for the motion actuators. I looked at DBox but ended up deciding on SimXperience. After looking at SimXperience’s software and the components they use, I feel they offer the best value for what I’m trying to do. I love the RTL functionality they have incorporated into their components.

4 Cost. I want to keep costs down as much as I can in case there is any interest/demand for the rig.

So, I’ve been working on the design for some time now and am almost at the point of pulling the trigger on manufacturing. My design is somewhat unique so you will probably either really like it or not like it at all. I will illustrate the pictures below with my design thoughts on what I was trying to accomplish.

Below is the full motion rig to give you an overall view.

FMR_1.jpg


FMR_2.jpg


By now you might be asking yourself, where are all of the actuators? To accomplish the design goals I placed the actuators along with the control box in the base of the unit. Below you can see what I mean. The actuators are placed under the seat and actuate the seat platform via bell-cranks. I’ve spent a lot of hours on this aspect of the design making sure everything calcs out correctly. Yes I did my homework.

FMR_3.jpg


SimXperience recommends the use of dampeners in line with the actuators so I incorporated this into the system. If you look in the below pic you will see the interchangeable rubber bushings. They are interchangeable so different “spring rates” can be used depending on what I like best.

FMR_4.jpg


I wanted to incorporate rear-traction-loss. I’d like to think my approach is elegantly simple, certainly compact. Below you can see how I did it. In the rear of the rig, there is an actuator attached to the rear “legs”. The rear legs are attached to the rig via ball bearing linear guides. The actuator simply moves the rear legs in relation to the rig as a whole.

FMR_5.jpg


The “front legs” of the unit pivot at the center point allowing the rig to rotate via the RTL actuator.

FMR_6.jpg


So, by placing the main actuators under the seat and accomplishing the RTL in the manner I did, the end result is very compact. To give you an idea on size, the below pic shows a transparent box overlayed onto the rig. The size of the box is 20” wide, 24” tall, and 60” in length.

FMR_7.jpg


Because I didn’t mount the actuators in the traditional manner I saved a ton of space in the rear. Below gives you an idea of where the actuators would be if mounted like they usually are. You can see in the pic that the rear of the rig doesn’t even protrude any further than the rear of the seat.

FMR_8.jpg


Here is a front view showing the width of the rig.

FMR_9.jpg


Below you can see how I designed the pedal base and wheel platform’s adjustability. The pedal base is adjustable fore/aft as well as angle of attack. The wheel platform has adjustable rake in a macro fashion at it’s base as well in a micro fashion at the top. The seat is also adjustable for fore/aft as well as angle via the side mounting plates.

FMR_10.jpg


Below you can see the overall structure and how I reinforced all of the components to make the entire rig very structurally sound and rigid.

FMR_11.jpg



The next step will be ordering the components and seat to do some measurement verifications before going into the production phase. Hope you like it!
 
The only recommendation I would make is to bring the wheel deck higher. Thats about it. You want that wheel up in a realistic position, not down by your lap. Other than that it's brilliant.
 
Brilliant bud.
Caz
What he said!
And what they said. 👍




I guess it's a 3DOF motion rig?



I have a question though.

I could be completely wrong, hence this being a question instead of an observation but how are you going to make the horizontal motion (linear guides) of the rear legs turn into a rotational motion of the front legs?


FMR_5_zpse488a295.jpg


FMR_6_zps33d4340c.jpg
 
kikie
And what they said. 👍

I guess it's a 3DOF motion rig?

I have a question though.

I could be completely wrong, hence this being a question instead of an observation but how are you going to make the horizontal motion (linear guides) of the rear legs turn into a rotational motion of the front legs?

I too am unsure how the back will move, correct me if im wrong but the back guides will need to travel in an arc to allow for the yawing simulation
 
77
I too am unsure how the back will move, correct me if im wrong but the back guides will need to travel in an arc to allow for the yawing simulation
Yes, exactly my point!

It seems that my question is valid?
 
As a user of SCN5's my only concern would be how the actuators take to being horizontal and moving with a rear axis point. They really don't like uneven stress, mine shout at me if I lean over to pick something up :D

Really love the idea of a compact unit, great job :) It also gives you options to box in the actuators to quieten them down a bit ;)
 
Thanks guys,

As far as dimensions and adjustability, that is covered in the first post.

You guys are correct in that the rear legs for RTL will be technically moving in an arc because the front legs will be pivoting from the center point. In a strictly pure world this would not work. But in the real world it will and here's why. The RTL rear legs are only going to move @ 4" total. With you consider the radius of the arc and this minimal travel, any binding that would occur can easily be addressed with the bearing clearance of the linear guides. Since I will be manufacturing the guides I have control over those clearances.
 
As I said in the iRacing thread: You should put a pivot in the center of the linear guides and float them. This will solve the problem completely without requiring you to add excess clearance to the linear slides.
 
Hello my friend, any updates since we last spoke on the phone? Looking forward to seeing what you've been cooking up. :)
 
Hey there! Yes, been very busy. These have been very popular.

Dear god, those are a work of art. If only it had a clutch pedal, I might call them god's pedals. Really wonderful looking.
 
Well, all you need to do is ask :)

Here is the 3 pedal version (notice the clutch actuation mechanism):

3P_4_800.jpg


3P_5_800.jpg


3P_7_800.jpg


3P_8_800.jpg



Here are his little brothers:

Sim_Pedals_Group_3_800.jpg
 
This is such a great concept. My rig I will be building will need to fit into a small closet, and this is the only motion rig I have seen that could be made to work in a closet application. (Don't need a lot of space because I will only be using head mounted displays). Subscribed
 
Last edited:
That rig and those pedals are a work of engineering art! Superb. Please build that rig and show it to the world! :)
 
Last edited:
Dude, I'm amazed by your work. It's a really complicated design, such well done. I want so bad a CNC machine. Lucky you! Did you produced this rig?
 
So if I read the post right, the wheel base mount is adjustable front/back and up/down, the pedal base tilts and the seat will slide front/back? I just want to know the cost, these things aren't cheap, but if you hit a good price point of say, around $1,000 you might gain market dominance 👍

Oh and the pedals look amazing :bowdown:


Jerome
 
Last edited:
A thousand bucks? There would be market dominance for sure. For all of the three days 'til bankruptcy.

Yeah I don't get why motion rigs have to be so expensive but it does seem to be the norm. I mean, why do a couple hydraulic actuators cost so much anyways? They've been around for over a hundred years, why are they not cheaper yet? Get on that China...
 
Back