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I was so excited to try out GT4 on the way home from purchasing it. When I first started playing, I naturally started tuning like I did in GT3. May not work in most cases. For instance, the Active Stability Management or (ASM) now has two options. One for oversteer, and one for understeer. In GT3 I always drove with the ASM off, but if you try that in GT4, you will not drift correctly. Note that the more you increase the setting of ASM understeer, the more you will oversteer, and more you increase the ASM oversteer, the more you understeer. Find the setting that best fits your style then tweak other things like suspension, LSD, ect... Have fun!

P.S. There is also an option to adjust the weight to be more towards the front or rear. It is best to set more towards the rear to induce oversteer. (Not recommended with the Mid-ship cars.)

Takahshi Keisuke
 
Keisuke42
I was so excited to try out GT4 on the way home from purchasing it. When I first started playing, I naturally started tuning like I did in GT3. May not work in most cases. For instance, the Active Stability Management or (ASM) now has two options. One for oversteer, and one for understeer. In GT3 I always drove with the ASM off, but if you try that in GT4, you will not drift correctly. Note that the more you increase the setting of ASM understeer, the more you will oversteer, and more you increase the ASM oversteer, the more you understeer. Find the setting that best fits your style then tweak other things like suspension, LSD, ect... Have fun!
Takahshi Keisuke
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This is not completely true - to my knowledge. Increasing the ASM Oversteer setting has no direct effect on the cars performance while understeering, only a secondary effect. Nor does increasing the understeer setting increase the oversteer experienced by the car.

These settings work to correct a cars handling. Increasing a setting increases how strongly the driver aids will interupt your input to straighten the car out. This is all.
for instance - increase the understeer effect means the electronics will more violently intervene (with respect to a lesser setting) to try and remove slip from the front wheels.

Personally, I turn both ASM and TCS to zero. I'd sooner have full control and have to deal with understeer/oversteer on my own, than having the computer do my work for me. There are instances where you may desire some oversteer to correct your exit from a turn (in drift or grip scenarios). Having driver aids activated may inhibit this, or make it more difficult than it need be.

In short - I go faster with them off, and I definitely drift better with them off.
If you learn decent car control skills you wont need them.
 
TankSpanker
This is not completely true - to my knowledge. Increasing the ASM Oversteer setting has no direct effect on the cars performance while understeering, only a secondary effect. Nor does increasing the understeer setting increase the oversteer experienced by the car.

These settings work to correct a cars handling. Increasing a setting increases how strongly the driver aids will interupt your input to straighten the car out. This is all.
for instance - increase the understeer effect means the electronics will more violently intervene (with respect to a lesser setting) to try and remove slip from the front wheels.

Personally, I turn both ASM and TCS to zero. I'd sooner have full control and have to deal with understeer/oversteer on my own, than having the computer do my work for me. There are instances where you may desire some oversteer to correct your exit from a turn (in drift of grip scenarios). Having driver aids activated may inhibit this, or make it more difficult than it need be.

In short - I go faster with them off, and I definitely drift better with them off.
If you learn decent car control skills you wont need them.
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That's about it right there bud.

As far as drifting goes, no aides are the best aides. The driver needs to understand the limits of the car and then push past them. With the aides on, you'll never really know and be fooling yourself into a false sense of security about your skill set.
 
Swift
That's about it right there bud.

As far as drifting goes, no aides are the best aides. The driver needs to understand the limits of the car and then push past them. With the aides on, you'll never really know and be fooling yourself into a false sense of security about your skill set.
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Drifting is so difficult in gt4 :(
 
yeah.....get to the gymkhana course and just mess around with your car to figure it out....

then you can start on the real circuits.
 
I JUST can´t find where to turn off my tcs in the new CARINA, that I just bought! My first car!

PLEASE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!
 
hauff
I JUST can´t find where to turn off my tcs in the new CARINA, that I just bought! My first car!

PLEASE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!
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you mustn't have given it a very thorough look :indiff:

settings -> 3rd column -> driving aids (very bottom) -> you get the rest

be sure to hit 'ok' ad not triangle to exit the screen
triangle will exit without saving, so it resets to its previous value
 
the kick back is crazy, ill be holding a drift and then it all of a sudden kicks the opposite direction and spins out....

i can hold a big long drift for ever with a stock sil-80, but on a road course when ur have to bring it back straight it kicks... ugghhh... this is gonna take alot of gettin used to...

im using a DFPro so maybe that is making the exit of the turn harder...

btw what tires are u guys using....

For stock cars such as my Sileighty im using N1 and for my modded Nismo 270R im using N3's...
 
exhaust_note
the kick back is crazy, ill be holding a drift and then it all of a sudden kicks the opposite direction and spins out....

i can hold a big long drift for ever with a stock sil-80, but on a road course when ur have to bring it back straight it kicks... ugghhh... this is gonna take alot of gettin used to...

im using a DFPro so maybe that is making the exit of the turn harder...

btw what tires are u guys using....

For stock cars such as my Sileighty im using N1 and for my modded Nismo 270R im using N3's...
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I'm using a DS2 and have had the same happen
although the car definitely makes a difference. My FD was horrible for it.

I restarted (b/c autosave was off, my game froze, lost all sorts of progress, decided it was my best option), got silver in B, used the Mazda KUSABI to get some cash and bought a 95 R33 N1. It drifts well stock on N1 tires and doesnt whip and lash around as much.
Its certainly not perfect, but it holds a drift better than the FD did with origianl suspension - although I was still playing w/ setup. It should only get better as i upgrade it.

so whats the moral of this story?
Don't turn off the autosave feature
 
lol I just restarted also becuase i did everything wrong but I want to drift with a stock ae86 maybe or a s14 or somethng along the lines of those what should i get to drift with it stock with n1 tires? and which course is good for begginers?
 
i need a better setup for my DFPro... i broke the table that i had it mounted on because it shakes so much... im gonna go buy a bunch of wood and a seat from a junk yard and make something sturdy...
 
have you ever seen the 3 year get gold in this game

oh yeah my bros being a dick and wont let me play at all and drifting depends on the soft shoks and tires and tcs and the overstreeing and understeering and the breaks and the weight balence most kinda in the middle closer two the front

well hopful that helps ok peace out 👍
 
Your going to rephrase that. I could not understand what the hell you were saying.
 
Drift Stylz
lol I just restarted also becuase i did everything wrong but I want to drift with a stock ae86 maybe or a s14 or somethng along the lines of those what should i get to drift with it stock with n1 tires? and which course is good for begginers?
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for me most of the original course is not really nice like GT3, the road become smaller, and i found out its hard to drift like GT3, and takes time to find a new race line to drift on it. and about the nice course, autum ring is not bad, but u only can have it if u already pass about 310days in GT4
 
exhaust_note
the kick back is crazy, ill be holding a drift and then it all of a sudden kicks the opposite direction and spins out....

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try to use less/no throttle and stop counter steering earlier than you would normally
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what the hell is up with the asm and the tcs...everyone says to put them at 0 so i try it and i can't even take a slight turn..i have a wrx sti and that thing handled amazingly until i turned these to 0...i want to drift but when i put them at 0 I CANT EVEN TURN! am i not doing something right or what...this is becomming a pain in the ass..i just want to drift with my wrx

oh not to mention that i smoke the tires all the way through 3rd gear and by the time i hit 4th everyone is way ahead of me
 
Fatal Error
what the hell is up with the asm and the tcs...everyone says to put them at 0 so i try it and i can't even take a slight turn..i have a wrx sti and that thing handled amazingly until i turned these to 0...i want to drift but when i put them at 0 I CANT EVEN TURN! am i not doing something right or what...this is becomming a pain in the ass..i just want to drift with my wrx

oh not to mention that i smoke the tires all the way through 3rd gear and by the time i hit 4th everyone is way ahead of me
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it was not the WRX handling beautifully, it was the electronic aids hiding either its flaws or flaws in your driving inputs. Lets get that straight, first and foremost.

If you're not turning, and I assume it is due to understeering, just cut the speed more until you can turn in.
Its an AWD car remember, some of the front wheels available traction is also being used to accelerate, as well as brake and turn. You have to minimze your inputs to make the best use of the total traction available to you.
Setting up your differential properly to drift will be immensely helpful also.
Link: How to tune your LSD
goto post #9 for te corrected links.

and finally - this is a thread about drifting, and less about gripping. If you race better with aids, I say leave them on - though it does give a false sense of total car control. Personally I do better witout, but everyone (and everycar) is different. You can leave the TCS at 1 to get a better launch in races.
Or, here's a brilliant thought, ease up on the gas slightly and cut the wheelspin by yourself. Nothing says you must launch at full throttle.

But for drifting you would want it set to 0 to get maximum wheelspin, and both ASM set to 0.
 
When tcs are on the regulate the power that goes the the wheels when you start to lose traction. By turning it off, you now have the ablity to bypass the system and break the traction with any hassle. The asm just keeps the car from spinnig out.

Final Anwser: Aides are best off.
 
TankSpanker
You can leave the TCS at 1 to get a better launch in races.
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thats exactly what i do, have it set at 1 or 2 (if its FWD)

the handling with the ASC on was a nightmare, i would throw my car into a turn and just be powersliding thru and then my car would straighten out halfway thru the turn and send me off the track.
 
194GVan
thats exactly what i do, have it set at 1 or 2 (if its FWD)
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Yeah, I turn it off with RWD and AWD cars, but I'm considering turning it on for FWD. Even with a 229 hp Mk. V GTi, I smoke them through second unless I am really good with the throttle. First gear is pretty much worthless above 1/3 throttle in FWD without TCS.
 
yeah i kinda need it on my 280 hp integra w/ stock tires and suspension. i think i have TCS on 2 and it will still lose traction once vtec kicks in in 2nd gear.
 
TankSpanker
it was not the WRX handling beautifully, it was the electronic aids hiding either its flaws or flaws in your driving inputs. Lets get that straight, first and foremost.

If you're not turning, and I assume it is due to understeering, just cut the speed more until you can turn in.
Its an AWD car remember, some of the front wheels available traction is also being used to accelerate, as well as brake and turn. You have to minimze your inputs to make the best use of the total traction available to you.
Setting up your differential properly to drift will be immensely helpful also.
Link: How to tune your LSD
goto post #9 for te corrected links.

and finally - this is a thread about drifting, and less about gripping. If you race better with aids, I say leave them on - though it does give a false sense of total car control. Personally I do better witout, but everyone (and everycar) is different. You can leave the TCS at 1 to get a better launch in races.
Or, here's a brilliant thought, ease up on the gas slightly and cut the wheelspin by yourself. Nothing says you must launch at full throttle.

But for drifting you would want it set to 0 to get maximum wheelspin, and both ASM set to 0.
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NICEEEEE. I adjusted the LSD and used N1 tires. I'm gettin the Sileighty to drift very nicely.
 
I've recently got my DFP, but I can't drift for crap so when I decide to drift I use the DS2.

I've lately been enjoying driving my 1971 Dodge Charger 440 R/T around the imaginary track called "Capitan" or something like that. The Charger happens to be a joy to drift, but controlling it seems hard sometimes due to it's old technology and bulk I suppose. It's still old school goodness.

However I haven't been playing Arcade Mode much and I only have a few cars, the only one that's slightly driftable is the Charger.
 
yeah, i have also been experiencing a lot of kick back at the end of the drift. the physics and /or controls of GT4 are noticeably different than GT3.

also, gt4 doesn't have simulation tires, i have been using N1 instead. which tires get you the most smoke in GT4?
 
AllMotorKing
yeah, i have also been experiencing a lot of kick back at the end of the drift. the physics and /or controls of GT4 are noticeably different than GT3.

also, gt4 doesn't have simulation tires, i have been using N1 instead. which tires get you the most smoke in GT4?
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N1 has been the best so far. I was experiencing kickback with the racing tires. With the N1 the car slides very nicely. Use that link for adjusting LSD. It helps.
 

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