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[Talentless]

i'm a devot follower of intellectual indicisiveness. Agnosticism.

 

[240Z freak]

So, rinard, are you basically an interent missionary for Islam or what?

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by rinard
This is an indisputable fact of history.

Ah. That'll be history, written by the victors of the various religion-based wars, where people were thrown out of their towns for not following the faith, where sciences were governed by religious police ("Nevertheless, it moves.").

Books are written by humans. Some person (probably a man) wrote the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Talmud - ALL religious books. Where did he get it from? The voice of God/Allah? Someone walks around these days saying they can hear the voice of God and we lock them up with a nice tie-in-the-back outfit.


Organised religion sucks. All of it.

 

[rinard]

http://islam101.com/religions/index.htm

This page mostly contains a selection of articles on topics pertinent to Islam or common to Islam, Christianity, Judaism and other religions. These articles provide Islamic perspectives on common issues and highlight differences among the various religions.

 

[Joecool593]

Originally posted by Famine
Books are written by humans. Some person (probably a man) wrote the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Talmud - ALL religious books. Where did he get it from? The voice of God/Allah? Someone walks around these days saying they can hear the voice of God and we lock them up with a nice tie-in-the-back outfit.

Exactly. My personal belief is that any "religion" is a load of crap. But the reason I don't call myself "atheist" is because most people translate that to "antichrist" and think that all people without religion burn crosses and bibles and things like that. I don't think anyone who has a religion of any sort is "bad" or "evil" or anything, I myself just believe that worshipping God/Allah/whoever is just like worshipping a rock in your front yard.

And I'm sorry if this offended anyone, beleive what you want to beleive.

 

[W16 QUAD TURBO]

well i'm a muslim and i have been living in peace and respect with many forum members , but when some one say some thing like religion sucks then i loose all the respect i had for that person i used to admire him but i didn't know him till now, maybe those awords changed him, maybe they maid him think he's a god.

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by W16 QUAD TURBO
well i'm a muslim and i have been living in peace and respect with many forum members , but when some one say some thing like religion sucks then i loose all the respect i had for that person i used to admire him but i didn't know him till now, maybe those awords changed him, maybe they maid him think he's a god.

Yes - nice extrapolation. I don't like the concept of organised religion, therefore I think I'm God. Really intelligent. Well done.

I didn't say that your religion sucks. I didn't say any other religion is better (or worse). I'm am more than happy for you, and others following any other religion across the universe to continue doing so. However, the very concept of organised religion disgusts me - the prospect of having to live your life based on how a bunch of men (priests, and so on) interpret a book written by a bunch of other men (in the case of Christianity, men on hallucinogens 1700 years ago) in a different language. Not wishing to use Islam as a pole to beat again, but an Imam recently used the defence of "I was interpreting from the Qu'ran" in his trial - he'd written a book telling men how to beat their wives without leaving any incriminating marks... Similar occurences have cropped up with people translating the Bible too - so I'm not Islam-bashing.

Belief is an important part of being human - we all believe in things, or else we'd never move (we believe that the ground in front of us will stay there). Or stay still for that matter (we believe that the ground under us will stay there). If you wish to centre your beliefs onto Allah, who am I to say you are wrong? But the idea of me having to (or, like in the Dark/Middle Ages, HAVING to on pain of pain) is just plain wrong.

As I said before, organised religion is based on men telling people how they should live, based on books written by other men hundreds of years ago, in different languages, because they claimed to have heard the voice of their god. Imagine the same thing today - the word we have for that is "Cult"...

 

[W16 QUAD TURBO]

Not wishing to use Islam as a pole to beat again, but an Imam recently used the defence of "I was interpreting from the Qu'ran" in his trial - he'd written a book telling men how to beat their wives without leaving any incriminating marks

well, you know that there are more than one clan or way(lack of words) of christianity, also islam has more than one way (some right some wrong) those who did the 9-11 attacks come to mind , this "Imam" is he by any chance an irani?

But the idea of me having to (or, like in the Dark/Middle Ages, HAVING to on pain of pain) is just plain wrong.

you don't have to, because (as you said) Belief is the important part , and there wasn't much dark ages in the islam world (if you want to be a muslim thats good if not so be it)and thats the case now.

As I said before, organised religion is based on men telling people how they should live, based on books written by other men hundreds of years ago, in different languages, because they claimed to have heard the voice of their god

quran is still in it's origonal language (Arabic) , also if you read it you'll know it's from god , i mean it even talks about things to come (some did happen) i don't think a human can be this lucky.

EDIT: btw, i like the way you post now and starting to respect the way you think, wope you like mine

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by W16 QUAD TURBO
well, you know that there are more than one clan or way(lack of words) of christianity, also islam has more than one way (some right some wrong) those who did the 9-11 attacks come to mind , this "Imam" is he by any chance an irani?

Yes - it IS funny that a whole bunch of people who worship the same deity can disagree to such an extent. Funny peculiar, not funny "ha ha" - just look at Northern Ireland with the Protestants and Catholics. Both Christians, yet fighting a holy war (it seems)...

I'm not aware of the origin of the Imam in question - only that he was prosecuted in Spain.

 

[W16 QUAD TURBO]

Originally posted by Famine
I'm not aware of the origin of the Imam in question - only that he was prosecuted in Spain.

I see.

Originally posted by Famine
Yes - it IS funny that a whole bunch of people who worship the same deity can disagree to such an extent. Funny peculiar, not funny "ha ha" - just look at Northern Ireland with the Protestants and Catholics. Both Christians, yet fighting a holy war (it seems)...

may be it's peculiar for you but for me it's hell for me, i live in saudi arabia and those terorist (sp?) attacks are hell on earth, they almost stoped now but , who knows , may be thay are planing some thing big.

ofcorse thay (the groups) usually share the same basics (one god , etc.) but disagree on some minor things (wich they protect with the blood of other groups some times).

oh did i say:

btw, i like the way you post now and starting to respect the way you think, wope you like mine

i ment it the other way (respect > post , like > think) any way both work just fine

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by W16 QUAD TURBO
i live in saudi arabia

Ouch...

So not only do you get bombed by terrorists, you get everyone else accusing you of being terrorists? Osama can't have helped much...

 

[Mopar Muscle]

Originally posted by Famine
Ah. That'll be history, written by the victors of the various religion-based wars, where people were thrown out of their towns for not following the faith, where sciences were governed by religious police ("Nevertheless, it moves.").

Books are written by humans. Some person (probably a man) wrote the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Talmud - ALL religious books. Where did he get it from? The voice of God/Allah? Someone walks around these days saying they can hear the voice of God and we lock them up with a nice tie-in-the-back outfit.


Organised religion sucks. All of it.

Well said.👍

 

[Mopar Muscle]

Originally posted by Joecool593
I myself just believe that worshipping God/Allah/whoever is just like worshipping a rock in your front yard.

I agree. But at least the rock really exists.

 

[Mopar Muscle]

Originally posted by pimpin_t
There were many fights when Hindus were given these leaflets.

That doesn't sound like religion, that souns like the need to put down their bulls**t "ra! ra! ra! My religion is better than yours" attitudes and think with some reasoning.

 

[W16 QUAD TURBO]

Originally posted by Famine
Ouch...

So not only do you get bombed by terrorists, you get everyone else accusing you of being terrorists? Osama can't have helped much...

ya, osama used to be a local hero but after the 9-11 & saudia attacks his popularaty declined (some still like him) , know he's not saudi any more (don't think that's enough though).

That doesn't sound like religion, that souns like the need to put down their bulls**t "ra! ra! ra! My religion is better than yours" attitudes and think with some reasoning

ya, that's what sucks, that some people are willing to die because some one said an un pleasent thing about there religion.

BTW, i noticed that most of what Famine said is based on the bad days of the chirch (sp) islam is a different religion , so try reading the Qu'ran itself rather than taking other people's word (espetilaly mine) and you'll know what i mean.