New Ford Focus

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Can somebody please post some pictures of the new Ford Focus in action in Gran Turismo 4? Thanks :)
 
As far as I know the car is not in GT4, at least it's not in the Japanese car list stickied thread.
 
^ Yeah, I totally agree :) 👍

The front looks like a mondeo and the back lights are WAY too slanted (like 45 degrees!) ........but in its defence it is one of the best handling cars in its class..
 
Damn, assumed that the Focus ST170 was the new one...

Any pictures of this instead?
 
Here a Pic of the (old) Focus ST 170: (the Focus RS & Focus Rallye Car are also in the game)
 

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Amanaman
Can somebody please post some pictures of the new Ford Focus in action in Gran Turismo 4? Thanks :)

I don't have it:guilty:
 
The base model Focus is pretty lame. However, grab an SVT Focus and you can punch some serious power on the road.
 
GT Obsession
The base model Focus is pretty lame. However, grab an SVT Focus and you can punch some serious power on the road.
I'd rather go RS, but we don't get the RS stateside :guilty:
 
fwdtamiya
I'd rather go RS, but we don't get the RS stateside :guilty:
I wouldn't want the SVT at all. They had a major recall on them.

The RS is awesome. But, it seems the states are not worthy. :guilty:
 
The Locust
Uhm, excuse me, but don't the Aussies get the Escort RS Cosworth!?!?!

Us aussies only got the old skool escort and that was it. We have some in the country but they would imported from England.
 
Americans don't know what a Cosworth engine is; we, unfortunately, call it a "hemi."
 
robin2223
^ Yeah, I totally agree :) 👍

The front looks like a mondeo and the back lights are WAY too slanted (like 45 degrees!) ........but in its defence it is one of the best handling cars in its class..

It's not one of the best handling cars in its class...

It's the best handling car in its class...

In fact it's the best car in its class... as was the old one...

C.
 
yeti
It's not one of the best handling cars in its class...

It's the best handling car in its class...

In fact it's the best car in its class... as was the old one...

C.



yeah, until it was recalled EIGHT times.

Dear god people, it's yugo all over again. A car means nothing if it breaks all the time.
Gimme my 1991 toyota corolla.
Listed as one of the top five most reliable cars EVER.
 
S31Ender
yeah, until it was recalled EIGHT times.

Dear god people, it's yugo all over again. A car means nothing if it breaks all the time.
Gimme my 1991 toyota corolla.
Listed as one of the top five most reliable cars EVER.

Wasn't recalled in UK... must be your duff manufacturing techniques over the pond?

C.
 
yeti
Wasn't recalled in UK... must be your duff manufacturing techniques over the pond?

C.

Actually the Focus was subject to 8 recalls in the UK since launch, including engine cut-outs, power issues and chaffing brake hoses on the RS.

For UK recall data on any vehicle take a look at the VOSA (Vehicle and Operator Service Agency); it is virtually unheard of for a car never to be subject to a single recall during its life. Eight is actually a very low number.

What you must also bear in mind its that VOSA only deal with recalls required by law, manufacturers also recall vehicles for minor (non-safety related) issues on a much bigger scale.


http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp


S31Ender
yeah, until it was recalled EIGHT times.

Dear god people, it's yugo all over again. A car means nothing if it breaks all the time.
Gimme my 1991 toyota corolla.
Listed as one of the top five most reliable cars EVER.

Corrcet number of recalls, but a complete over-reaction, Toyota may well be very reliable (I drive a Celica myself - only two recalls on the present model)) but they are still falliable, the current Corrolla has four recalls out at present; including one in which the rear hub and brake assembly could seperate from the axle.

As I already said, it is virtually unheard of for any car to never be subject to a recall.
 
Scaff
Actually the Focus was subject to 8 recalls in the UK since launch, including engine cut-outs, power issues and chaffing brake hoses on the RS.

For UK recall data on any vehicle take a look at the VOSA (Vehicle and Operator Service Agency); it is virtually unheard of for a car never to be subject to a single recall during its life. Eight is actually a very low number.

What you must also bear in mind its that VOSA only deal with recalls required by law, manufacturers also recall vehicles for minor (non-safety related) issues on a much bigger scale.


http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp

Fair doos... I stand very much corrected... None of them ever hit the press as far as I know though... unless my somewhat sieve like memory has failed to remember it!!

C.
 
yeti
Fair doos... I stand very much corrected... None of them ever hit the press as far as I know though... unless my somewhat sieve like memory has failed to remember it!!

C.

I work in the Motor Industry and trust me, we do all we can to make sure than recalls don't hit the press.

Don't get me wrong, we are not trying to avoid getting the work done, by law a manufacturer must be able to prove that a certain percentage of recalls are carried out within a set time period (in varies depending on the nature of the recall). To acheive this, mail campaigns are the main tool, but it has been know for security companies to be hired to track down cars and owners to get the work done. The fines for failiure to complete the required work are very high.

If you own a car that is subject to a recall and you are the registered keeper (as is required by law) you will get a letter informing you of the nature of the recall and advising you of the action required.

The main reason for avoiding the press is that the tabloid media in the UK are a bit extreme, however ad campaigns have been used in the past to get that last few percent on a recall campaign.

Of course some of the major and high profile ones do get into the press (mainly if they are having a bad day for news) and these seem to stick in peoples minds.

A good example of this would be the Audi TT rear spoiler recall. All UK cars were recalled to have a rear spoiler fitted and this story got into the press as how the cars were unstable at speed without the spoiler and how 'evil' Audi were for endangering customers.

The truth of the matter is that a smaller number of cars in Germany lost control when cornering at speeds above 100mph, as a result Audi in Germany fitted the spoilers to German cars. The UK tabloids got hold of the story and blew it out of all proportion; so Audi were almost presurred into fitting the spoiler, despite the fact that you would have to be seriously over the speed limit to need it.

Audi TT recall details
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/re...asp?uniqueID=33416CBDF890089380256BB9002688E2

However, I bet you never heard of Ferrari 360 Spiders with door that could open by themselves ('01 model year, total number of affected cars = 4)
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/re...asp?uniqueID=8494D1645815AFC380256BB900268C91
 
Yeah I seem to rememeber Top Gear mentioning that...

At the end of the day turning hard at 100MPH is somewhat of a stupid maneouveur anyways... and you're asking for trouble!!

That Website (Vosa) is a mine of info... Cheers for the links.

C.
 
yeti
Yeah I seem to rememeber Top Gear mentioning that...

At the end of the day turning hard at 100MPH is somewhat of a stupid maneouveur anyways... and you're asking for trouble!!

That Website (Vosa) is a mine of info... Cheers for the links.

C.

No problem, its a very useful site when your looking to buy a car.

And yes the Audi one was a classic example of the tabliod press having no idea what it was on about.

Unlike the MB A-class instability at low speeds, now that one was just crap design (and very, very expensive for the manufacturer).
 
the thing about the mercedes test was that the car only flipped on the runway tarmac because it was more grippy than normal road tarmac so they could do it an iunfinite number of times on a real road and it wouldnt happen but on that one type of tarmac it could. It was also blown way out of proportion by the press
 
Dimension
the thing about the mercedes test was that the car only flipped on the runway tarmac because it was more grippy than normal road tarmac so they could do it an iunfinite number of times on a real road and it wouldnt happen but on that one type of tarmac it could. It was also blown way out of proportion by the press

Totaly false.

The test in question is a standard handling test for cars in Scandinavian countries and is known as the Elk or Moose test.

It consists of a lane change (right or left) and back again at 30mph without the use of the brakes, and is considered a fairly standard manouver within these markets.

The A-class' failure to complete this test was not a one off, but was repeated numerous times by saftey bodies and magazines. It was nothing at all to do with grippy runway tarmac, and certainly in the UK it made very little press outside of the motoring press; as the car had not yet been launched.

This is a manouver I have carried out on a wide range of cars at various proving grounds, in both wet and dry conditions and on a wide range of surfaces.

I have never had a car flip in the manner of the A-class, some have lost control and spun (mainly in the wet or on low grip surfaces). Some are bloody frightening in these conditions (step forward most MPVs and 4x4's) but none have ever flipped over.

A well designed car should not flip at 30mph when changing lane (note that I say car and not pick-up or 4X4 which can and do flip under these conditions, particularly the bigger ones), even if the direction changes are sudden. This is a product that was marketed as a family car and as such the buyer will expect a certain level of safety from a brand such as M-B.

You should also be aware that the reason these test were carried out was that automotive groups in Germany were stating that A-class owners had reported stability issues to M-B and had got no joy. The tests were initialy carried out to prove or disprove the validity of the owners claims, the Scandinavian tests were carried out by various magazines just prior to the launch of the car outside of Germany.

I can still remember seeing a picture of an A-class on its boot on a German autobahn at the time this issue came to light. This was not a magazine or testing shot, but an owners car that had fliped while trying to avoid an accident on a public road.

The entire issue was a hard lesson for M-B and the revised suspension changes and fittment of stability control to all A-class models was both very expensive and totaly ruined the ride of the car.

Had this made the mainstream press in a big way and Merc not handled the PR so well it would have been an almost certain killer to M-B's first front wheel drive model.
 
Anyone know how much the Peugeot 206 was recalled?
 
Hehe whenever I think of the old Mondeos I always remember the faulty ones veering to the left :sly:

And then there was the Ford Explorer... /Wheels out a filing cabinate ;)
 
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