New GTP Cool Wall Results Archive

[Nicksfix]

Should there be another category entitled Vanilla Ice for cars beyond seriously uncool?

Or "For Gods sake,junk this thing"

Kind of wierd,only 2 cars were un-fortunate enough to make it into the ranks of seriously uncool.However since Joey re-opened the nomination board,there may be a few more join this group.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Glad to say the gen coupe 3.8 made it, I think i should request the the 2010 2.0 turbo r spec

 

[Danny]

What?! The Phaeton is awesomely cool.

Please rethink your life.

 

[Famine]

Please rethink your life.

👍

 

[Lucas]

Danny, you are so brave in taking a picture of your own car with a Type-R badge, that you are Absolute Zero. 373.15%

 

[Famine]

I could take a photo of my car with a Type-R badge on it...

 

[Danny]

👍

Haha, severly owned.

Still, it's not a Phaeton. AKA, Budget A8.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I could take a photo of my car with a Type-R badge on it...

Yeah but he has a Matiz. A Matiz.

 

[Danny]

2 years later, it's still on.

The extra 40hp has been a godsend.

 

[Famine]

2 years later, it's still on.

The extra 40hp has been a godsend, y0!

Sorted that for you.

 

[Jim Prower]

Woah, did I actually just get a snortchuckle from something Famine posted?

Hey, at least he doesn't reccommend a 20 year old econobox when people are searching for new cars...o/////o

 

[homeforsummer]

Haha, severly owned.

Still, it's not a Phaeton. AKA, Budget A8.

Exactly. What special kind of prat would buy an A8 when the Phaeton offers as much (if not more), you don't look like a cock driving it and for so much less money?... The Phaeton is definitely cool.

 

[Danny]

Exactly. What special kind of prat would buy an A8 when the Phaeton offers as much (if not more), [you don't look like a cock driving it] and for so much less money?...

Bracketing off the subjective points...

Value for money does not tend to a cool car make.
There's something about conspicuous consumption that budget buying can't compete with. It's the same reason a Bentley Arnage is like the other side of Samuel L Jackson's pillow while the much more practical and better value Flying Spur remains Robin Williams.

 

[homeforsummer]

Value for money does not tend to a cool car make.

Still, who is cooler - the guy who gets an Audi for x-amount, or the guy who gets something equally as good for half the price?

You can essentially apply the same arguement to the whole VW vs. Audi range. The Vee-Dubs are cooler because you aren't paying through the nose for four rings and an image problem...

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Still, who is cooler - the guy who gets an Audi for x-amount, or the guy who gets something equally as good for half the price?

You can essentially apply the same arguement to the whole VW vs. Audi range. The Vee-Dubs are cooler because you aren't paying through the nose for four rings and an image problem...

Unless you live in the US. Where a Passat and A4 are near as makes no difference the same price with the same amount of kit.

 

[homeforsummer]

Unless you live in the US. Where a Passat and A4 are near as makes no difference the same price with the same amount of kit.

Really? Over here Audis are priced at a premium which presumably makes them vast wodges of money from people daft enough to pay it over the equivalent VW. The only Audis that don't come under that banner are the ones that don't have an equivalent VW - TT, R8, RS models etc. And the old A2, which was an Audi driven by people who wouldn't normally drive an Audi, and therefore cool.

Just as a quick aside, which brand is considered "cooler" in the States out of VW or Audi? I'd guess it'd still be VW, if only for the history of brilliant cars like the Beetle and Type 2 which people still lust after today. I reckon those old models still cast a halo over the VW brand.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Really? Over here Audis are priced at a premium which presumably makes them vast wodges of money from people daft enough to pay it over the equivalent VW. The only Audis that don't come under that banner are the ones that don't have an equivalent VW - TT, R8, RS models etc. And the old A2, which was an Audi driven by people who wouldn't normally drive an Audi, and therefore cool.

Just as a quick aside, which brand is considered "cooler" in the States out of VW or Audi? I'd guess it'd still be VW, if only for the history of brilliant cars like the Beetle and Type 2 which people still lust after today. I reckon those old models still cast a halo over the VW brand.

Actually it seems I was mistaken. A while back the Passat was starting at noticeably more than it is now. Now it's roughly 5 grand cheaper base vs base. That said, a fully kitted out A4 Quattro 6-speed manual Premium works out roughly the same as a Hi-Def bodykitted Passat, difference being you lose the DSG box in favor of a proper manual and lose nav.

As for coolness, I'd say VW still has the lead if only just; they're getting massively boring.

 

[niky]

VW? After the new Beetle, they need all the street cred they can get to stop from being seriously uncool. The new Golf makes up for it, a bit...

Yes, the New Beetle was a gorgeous design... but it was about as cool as fake side vents on a Mustang... not quite as uncool as fake side vents on a US-market Focus, though... but getting there...

 

[Danny]

Still, who is cooler - the guy who gets an Audi for x-amount, or the guy who gets something equally as good for half the price?

You can essentially apply the same arguement to the whole VW vs. Audi range. The Vee-Dubs are cooler because you aren't paying through the nose for four rings and an image problem...

I'd call irrelevance on value for money.

Why would one buy the F40/XJ220/Countach (all deemed Sub-Zero) when a Boxster would do the job just fine?

 

[Boffin]

I'd call irrelevance on value for money.

Why would one buy the F40/XJ220/Countach (all deemed Sub-Zero) when a Boxster would do the job just fine?

Depends on the job in question.

Why bye a Boxter when an ageing 205GTI is just as fast in the city and able to keep up in the windy roads?

 

[homeforsummer]

I'd call irrelevance on value for money.

Why would one buy the F40/XJ220/Countach (all deemed Sub-Zero) when a Boxster would do the job just fine?

That isn't the same arguement. If the Boxter was near as makes no difference the same as an F40 then you could apply that logic. As it's not, you can't. The Phaeton and A8 are very similar though, both in concept, size and in terms of the engine options you're offered.

 

[Stotty]

By that logic why buy an A3 when you could have a Golf for a bit less cash... no hang on, why buy the golf when you could have a Leon with more kit at less cost... but wait, an Octavia is the same but cheaper still....

That's badge engineering for you.

People will still want the Audi as the badge on the front is important.

And Phaeton's are not cool... neither are A8's for that matter.

 

[Boffin]

I always thought that the Phaeton was more related to the Bentley than the Audi.

Its a great shape though, is the Phaeton. If there was one here, it'd be sub zero, but I don't know what its like in the US and Europe.

 

[Joey D]

Fellas can this all wait till the voting thread?

 

[Dragonistic]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up recently (this specific example), but there's a perfect example of a hole in the current scoring system in the Ultima GTR, 61 out of 93 voters think the Ultima is cool or lower, yet the car has gone into Sub Zero.

I know I've complained a fair few times about the simple method (even though it is easier and quicker) of how cars are allocated a space on the wall but the way it stands if I feel I'm not with the majority, I often have to look at the current results so I can assess where my vote might actually make a difference. I hate to keep bringing this up, it's been coming up a fair few times since the wall began and I saw the Ultima in SZ and recalled alot of people not going for the SZ option including myself. More people think it's NOT Sub-Zero then those who think it is, why does it deserve a spot in there?

 

[Joey D]

Cars are placed where they get a majority of the votes.

 

[Dragonistic]

Cars are placed where they get a majority of the votes.

The majority of votes are not sub-zero, 61 people said it isn't, 32 said it is, thats almost double who think it isn't Sub Zero. I'm aware we currently use the mode as our final answer, but that is different from the majority of votes, we're giving the most common answer, based on each answer independently when really the answers aren't that independent. A vote for uncool says they think it's even further away from sub zero, yet it will have no bearing on the results even if uncool was the second most popular answer behind sub-zero. Which it was in the case of the Ultima, so anyone who voted uncool was not taken as a vote for NOT Sub-Zero and thus everyone who voted serious uncool, should have voted uncool to have any kind of effect on the final result.

Similarly, if those who voted serious uncool, voted uncool to have an effect, the car would then be wrongfully placed in uncool as 53 of 93 voted the car cool or higher, which is a majority for cool or better, whilst remaining a majority for cool or worse.

As it stands now, this is still true, 53 of 93 think the car is cool or better, 61 of 93 think the car is cool or worse. Therefore more people think the car is cool or worse then cool or better, but more people think it's cool or better then uncool. Surely that should mean the car is a flat cool.

There is a not to complicated way, which could easily be set up in a spreadsheet, to calculated the true result based on EVERYONEs vote, not just the most common of the 4 which in the Ultimas case has ignored over half of the other peoples votes. I just did some quick calculations using points for each answer, then averaged, and the car comes out as a cool, just, based on every single individuals opinion.

 

[Joey D]

The majority of votes are not sub-zero

LOL, wut?

Sub-Zero is the majority with the voting on the Ultima GTR. Sub-zero != Cool. You shouldn't add the votes together for something like that. The only exception is when a car gets only 1 or 2 votes in the Uncool/Seriously Uncool or Cool/Sub-Zero category they get placed in their own special section...but that's just something for fun.

If you don't like the way the Cool Wall is ran than you have the option to not participate in it. I have thought about ways to change it but in the end it makes it needlessly complex.

 

[homeforsummer]

Don't change it Joey, it works fine as it is. Doing it any other way would complicate things. I don't see what's wrong with four categories, with the category with the most votes deciding where the curve goes.

Doing it the way Dragonistic is suggesting would just end up with people complaining that even though say, a third of people voted cool, if the combined total of uncool and seriously uncool was 34 percent then the car would still be classed as uncool. This method works much better and it's more realistic. As Famine pointed out in one of the threads yesterday, you generally get a definite bell-curve from the results where one is ahead, the closest other votes to it are proportionally less, and there's usually one category with very few votes. It means people are generally reaching a majority consensus and anomalies are ironed out.

 

[Tornado]

The majority of votes are not sub-zero, 61 people said it isn't, 32 said it is, thats almost double who think it isn't Sub Zero.

We've already had this discussion.


@ Joey: I think that the pictures in the OP should also link to the threads that the voting took place in. Just a suggestion.