New Honda/Acura NSX Quasi-Confirmed

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I would be interested in a large FR replacement for the NSX, I suppose, but I think in the long run its better for Honda to build an MR car once again. Its just "in their style" to do so, and would do the model better to connect it back to the NSX. However, shooting for the F430 seems a bit high, doesnt it? Sure, the origional NSX chased down 348/355 Ferraris, but the F430 (atlest for now) is TOO good for Honda to hit it. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Gallarado get beat up, but not the F430.
 
well honda has plenty of experince in either config, look at he chassis of the s2000. what killer esp fora convertible
 
YSSMAN
I would be interested in a large FR replacement for the NSX, I suppose, but I think in the long run its better for Honda to build an MR car once again. Its just "in their style" to do so, and would do the model better to connect it back to the NSX. However, shooting for the F430 seems a bit high, doesnt it? Sure, the origional NSX chased down 348/355 Ferraris, but the F430 (atlest for now) is TOO good for Honda to hit it. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Gallarado get beat up, but not the F430.
What are you going on about? Honda should try to make a car better than a Gallardo but not as good as an F430? What happened to striving for excellence. Honda will try to make the best car possible and it will be damn good. Honda is one of the top manufacturers of automobiles on the planet and they make some of the best cars. I dont think you can judge the car if it hasnt even been finished, not even close.
 
SagarisGTB
What are you going on about? Honda should try to make a car better than a Gallardo but not as good as an F430? What happened to striving for excellence. Honda will try to make the best car possible and it will be damn good. Honda is one of the top manufacturers of automobiles on the planet and they make some of the best cars. I dont think you can judge the car if it hasnt even been finished, not even close.

You know, quality simply doesnt cut it. Who would choose a NSX succesor from H-O-N-D-A, a Japanese brand with almost no prestige over a DB9 from Aston Martin? I know for fact that I wouldn't.
 
SagarisGTB
What are you going on about? Honda should try to make a car better than a Gallardo but not as good as an F430? What happened to striving for excellence. ...
I think what he's saying is that Honda are capable of beating the Gallardo, but to beat the F430 is too much. The Ferrari is too good.

He's not saying they shouldn't try, just that they won't be able to.

By all means strive for excellence - hell, Honda should be aiming for #1 supercar with the new NSX! 👍 Will they reach that goal? I highly doubt it...
 
GT4_Rule
You know, quality simply doesnt cut it. Who would choose a NSX succesor from H-O-N-D-A, a Japanese brand with almost no prestige over a DB9 from Aston Martin? I know for fact that I wouldn't.
Your point? Yeah, some people will choose a car based on the badge on the front, but alot of those people dont know much about cars. I dont care what badge is on the front, if the NSX ends up being the better car (DB9 isnt aiming very high), then id take it.

And to say that the honda badge has no prestige isnt really accurate. The NSX name has enough prestige to carry this next gen car anyway.

ferrari_chris
I think what he's saying is that Honda are capable of beating the Gallardo, but to beat the F430 is too much. The Ferrari is too good.

He's not saying they shouldn't try, just that they won't be able to.

By all means strive for excellence - hell, Honda should be aiming for #1 supercar with the new NSX! 👍 Will they reach that goal? I highly doubt it...
I guess you can have your own opinion. Im a ferrari fan, and I think this car will be as good, if not better than the F430. You have to remember that the F430 will be 3-4 years old when this car comes out so it isnt the fairest comparison.
 
SagarisGTB
Your point? Yeah, some people will choose a car based on the badge on the front, but alot of those people dont know much about cars. I dont care what badge is on the front, if the NSX ends up being the better car (DB9 isnt aiming very high), then id take it.

And to say that the honda badge has no prestige isnt really accurate. The NSX name has enough prestige to carry this next gen car anyway.

Alright. Time for clearing up some mess.

Some people will choose a car based on badge, some wont. Like you said. However, a person likely to buy a 130 grand car will know at least a bit as to what Honda is and what Aston Martin is. So, they will naturally understand that Honda is a Japanese brand, and Aston Martin, well, they'll have some trouble, but its an English brand.

The new NSX will be a much better car than its predessor, but, it will never match Aston's interior or exterior in terms of elegance. Just look at NSXs interior. Every car magazine criticized the interior at some point for being very old; in fact the basic design, layout, etc hasnt changed since 1989. Yeah, Aston's interior buttons might be hard to read or the tach swings in a awkward direction, but it is elegant, tasteful, and beautifully made. You don't see much elegance in NSXs interior. Astons interor is a much better place to spend time in than in NSXs bland, timewarp cabin. Hopefully Honda learned its lesson and remembers to update its cars' interior once in a while.

As for you saying that DB9 isnt aiming very high, it is aiming high. Aston has just bounced back from an all-time low in the '90s thanks to the DB7, and now the DB9 takes it even furthur. If they slacked off at this point, then how would they recover and become strong again? Thats why Aston has developed 3 transmissions to suit any buyer's taste (manual, auto, paddleshift manual) as well as both convertibe and coupe body style. All NSX had was a targa roof, and a auto 'box that slurped around 40hp (if Im right) from the total output of 280hp. Thats a huge number for an underpowered exotic!

And if the name NSX had so much prestige, why didn't people buy them? Its best-ever year was (I think) '91 which it was still fresh 2 years after its introduction. In '05, the novelty has worn off, and without prestige or anything to back it up (performance, power, price...) it died. And btw Honda has hinted that they might not reuse the NSX name (not sure now though...are they gonna use that name or discard it? Anyone know for sure?), so clearly they needed to distance the successor to their failed previous attempt.
 
SagarisGTB
Your point? Yeah, some people will choose a car based on the badge on the front, but alot of those people dont know much about cars. I dont care what badge is on the front, if the NSX ends up being the better car (DB9 isnt aiming very high), then id take it.

And to say that the honda badge has no prestige isnt really accurate. The NSX name has enough prestige to carry this next gen car anyway.

If someone is buying an Aston over an NSX, thinking it's a better car because of the badge even though the NSX is better, then yes, they don't know much about cars.

But, if someone is buying an Aston over an NSX, not because they think the Aston is a better car, but because it's an Aston Martin, and because of all of the prestige and street presence that you get with it...there really isn't anything to argue with there.

The NSX has prestige, yes (not Honda, just the NSX). But its prestige doesn't come anywhere close to the amount that an Aston Martin has.

SagarisGTB
I guess you can have your own opinion. Im a ferrari fan, and I think this car will be as good, if not better than the F430. You have to remember that the F430 will be 3-4 years old when this car comes out so it isnt the fairest comparison.

You also have to remember that we know almost no specifics about this new NSX so far.

IMO, unless the V10 is small and light, the F430 will probably have an edge 'round a track.
 
Look at the Ferrari 360. That design was five years old by the time it went out of production, and yet it was still completely relevant in the industry. Although the NSX may trump the five year old design of the F430 by the time it comes out, Ferrari will more than likely have a replacement ready by then. It is a never ending circle in the industry, and the product launches may even line up with eachother.

The fact of the matter is, the Ferrari F430 is something that Honda would have an incredibly tough time to match. Sure, the V10 may have 500HP, and decide to go upmarket with the looks and with the interior, but it still wont be a compeditor to the F430.

Why? Well for one, its not an Italian-made product. All of the soul of the car will be sucked out with electronic nannies, gizmos, and other "enhancements" that Honda will claim makes the car drive "better" than without. Moving upmarket against Aston Martin with put them out of contention with Ferrari furthermore, as they cannot build something as luxurious as the DB9 and match the F430 in performance. Sacrafices must be made, and it will be the price and performance in this situation.

...My comment about the Gallarado is well founded, SegarisGTB. Not to completely write off the car as a great sports car, but seriously... A Corvette Z51 can match the Gallarado's performance for less than half the price. Simply put, the Gallarado has underperformed many expectations, and was wiped out by both the Modena and F430. Honda would not have a hard time surpassing the performance of the Gallarado, but surpassing the classic looks and luxurious interior might be tough in the long run.

The new NSX will be a good car, there is no question there. But in the context of the world automotive market, it has some extremely tough competition... Moving the car into V8 Vantage/DB9 and F430 territory is a dangerous move, as it is far from the roots where it faced off with 911 Carreras and Corvette Z51s.
 
YSSMAN
Look at the Ferrari 360. That design was five years old by the time it went out of production, and yet it was still completely relevant in the industry. Although the NSX may trump the five year old design of the F430 by the time it comes out, Ferrari will more than likely have a replacement ready by then. It is a never ending circle in the industry, and the product launches may even line up with eachother.

The fact of the matter is, the Ferrari F430 is something that Honda would have an incredibly tough time to match. Sure, the V10 may have 500HP, and decide to go upmarket with the looks and with the interior, but it still wont be a compeditor to the F430.

Why? Well for one, its not an Italian-made product. All of the soul of the car will be sucked out with electronic nannies, gizmos, and other "enhancements" that Honda will claim makes the car drive "better" than without. Moving upmarket against Aston Martin with put them out of contention with Ferrari furthermore, as they cannot build something as luxurious as the DB9 and match the F430 in performance. Sacrafices must be made, and it will be the price and performance in this situation.

...My comment about the Gallarado is well founded, SegarisGTB. Not to completely write off the car as a great sports car, but seriously... A Corvette Z51 can match the Gallarado's performance for less than half the price. Simply put, the Gallarado has underperformed many expectations, and was wiped out by both the Modena and F430. Honda would not have a hard time surpassing the performance of the Gallarado, but surpassing the classic looks and luxurious interior might be tough in the long run.

The new NSX will be a good car, there is no question there. But in the context of the world automotive market, it has some extremely tough competition... Moving the car into V8 Vantage/DB9 and F430 territory is a dangerous move, as it is far from the roots where it faced off with 911 Carreras and Corvette Z51s.

Add to the argument the fact that no one expects a car from Honda to beat F430. And even if it did, people will choose F430. Why? Its reputation, style, soul, and other billion factors.

Its sad for Lamborghini that a car costing half as much can beat Gallardo...have they lost the passion of Ferruccio?
 
GT4_Rule
The new NSX will be a much better car than its predessor, but, it will never match Aston's interior or exterior in terms of elegance. Just look at NSXs interior. Every car magazine criticized the interior at some point for being very old; in fact the basic design, layout, etc hasnt changed since 1989. Yeah, Aston's interior buttons might be hard to read or the tach swings in a awkward direction, but it is elegant, tasteful, and beautifully made. You don't see much elegance in NSXs interior. Astons interor is a much better place to spend time in than in NSXs bland, timewarp cabin. Hopefully Honda learned its lesson and remembers to update its cars' interior once in a while.
Honda has improved in this area over the years. Nevertheless, the people that do the cabin for Aston Martin (I might ad that they are on Ford's payroll) are no different than the people who work on the NSX, both Human. Granted, the people at Aston may have more experience and what not, who is to say that the next NSX wont luck out with a great looking interior. Having said that, you shouldnt compare a GT's cabin to a sports car's cabin. The next gen NSX wont be competing directly with the DB9 anyway.

GT4_Rule
And if the name NSX had so much prestige, why didn't people buy them? Its best-ever year was (I think) '91 which it was still fresh 2 years after its introduction. In '05, the novelty has worn off, and without prestige or anything to back it up (performance, power, price...) it died. And btw Honda has hinted that they might not reuse the NSX name (not sure now though...are they gonna use that name or discard it? Anyone know for sure?), so clearly they needed to distance the successor to their failed previous attempt.
Firstly, the first NSX was always meant to be low production. Second, the fact that the first NSX wasnt the biggest hit is irrelevant. If I remember correctly, the first gen 911 didnt sell all that well either... The fact that the NSX lost sales due to age is completely understandable, of course it sold better back when it was a Ferrari killer, and not when it was a 10-15 year old car. The japanese hp agreement can be blamed for the lack of updates, (unlike Nissan, Toyota, Subaru and Mitsubishi, Honda generally stayed true to the caps), and by the time the cap was lifted, the car was over a dozen years old.


Wolfe2x7
You also have to remember that we know almost no specifics about this new NSX so far.

IMO, unless the V10 is small and light, the F430 will probably have an edge 'round a track.
Im assuming that the NSX will want to do battle successfully with the Lexus LF-A. Toyota has announced the goals of less than 3000lbs, 500hp and 200mph. Even if both cars are a little heavier than that, it probably wont be heavier than an F430.

As for the engine, as you said, we dont know anything other than the fact that it will be a V10.


YSSMAN
Why? Well for one, its not an Italian-made product. All of the soul of the car will be sucked out with electronic nannies, gizmos, and other "enhancements" that Honda will claim makes the car drive "better" than without. Moving upmarket against Aston Martin with put them out of contention with Ferrari furthermore, as they cannot build something as luxurious as the DB9 and match the F430 in performance. Sacrafices must be made, and it will be the price and performance in this situation.

...My comment about the Gallarado is well founded, SegarisGTB. Not to completely write off the car as a great sports car, but seriously... A Corvette Z51 can match the Gallarado's performance for less than half the price. Simply put, the Gallarado has underperformed many expectations, and was wiped out by both the Modena and F430. Honda would not have a hard time surpassing the performance of the Gallarado, but surpassing the classic looks and luxurious interior might be tough in the long run.
You have no faith in Honda, I can understand that by looking at your avatar. You say the NSX will struggle to be as good as Gallardo in performance, which you claim isnt as fast as a Corvette. You are saying the NSX will struggle to match a vette's preformance? I cant say anymore, you must be insane!

And this is a Honda sports car, the soul wont be sucked out. This isnt a Lexus or Mercedes.

YSSMAN
The new NSX will be a good car, there is no question there. But in the context of the world automotive market, it has some extremely tough competition... Moving the car into V8 Vantage/DB9 and F430 territory is a dangerous move, as it is far from the roots where it faced off with 911 Carreras and Corvette Z51s.
No, the original was aimed at the Ferrari 348 at the beginning and it was the better car. The competition took large strides and the NSX did not so by the mid 90s it was battling corvettes and 911s.
 
SagarisGTB
Honda has improved in this area over the years. Nevertheless, the people that do the cabin for Aston Martin (I might ad that they are on Ford's payroll) are no different than the people who work on the NSX, both Human. Granted, the people at Aston may have more experience and what not, who is to say that the next NSX wont luck out with a great looking interior. Having said that, you shouldnt compare a GT's cabin to a sports car's cabin. The next gen NSX wont be competing directly with the DB9 anyway.

Firstly, the first NSX was always meant to be low production. Second, the fact that the first NSX wasnt the biggest hit is irrelevant. If I remember correctly, the first gen 911 didnt sell all that well either... The fact that the NSX lost sales due to age is completely understandable, of course it sold better back when it was a Ferrari killer, and not when it was a 10-15 year old car. The japanese hp agreement can be blamed for the lack of updates, (unlike Nissan, Toyota, Subaru and Mitsubishi, Honda generally stayed true to the caps), and by the time the cap was lifted, the car was over a dozen years old.

You know, something that amazes me. If the next-gen NSX wasnt meant to compete with Aston DB9, then what exactly is it going to go head-on with? And if Honda wants to beat Aston and challege F430, then at some point the whole comparison of the interior, sheetmetal design and prestige is going to surface. And for your information, the Aston is a sports car, alright? Ford GT has a great interior and thats a hardcore sports car. Its not a GT, but its a nicer place to spend time than in the NSX. And you also claim that Honda improved the interior over the years. Then, why, why, why does those car mags criticize the '05 Honda NSXs interior as looking too much like the one in '89? Please? Im confused :rolleyes:

Yes, they are both human, buy why does some brands make better looking cars than others, and why do some brands create awful looking cars? I thought they were both human, why arent they made equal, can I ask? And what difference does the designers being on Ford's payroll make? I love Fords, whats wrong with that? Bigger company, more resources? I thought Honda had more money and was doing excellent compared to Ford, whose stock has been going downhill for the past few years and is in financial woe? Aston being owned by Ford does not make any difference; in fact Ford should be credited with reviving the legendary marque.

The 1st gen 911 did not sell well - I do not know if that is true or not. But then, instead of saying "oh, great, its not selling. Lets dump it" and giving up, they improved it, and made it better!! What is Honda doing? "oh, NSX isnt selling, its interest is hitting all time low, lets dump it instead of making it better and more appealing." Thats the worst attitude a car maker can have. Im not sure if anyone read this, but on my last post I said that Honda was weighing its options on introducing the NSXs successor under a different name. Why do they do this? To distance the new model from the old one. The oldest trick in automotive book.

The hp agreement was a stupid thing, and almost no maker stayed true to that limit, except for Honda. You know, they gained nothing from obeying that limit, and it just hurted them. "Whats the most exciting car Honda produced ever? NSX. Whats the horsepower? 280. 280??" Why would anyone think of Honda as a fun brand when the most powerful car they offered was a 280hp overpriced overhyped exotic? No wonder they have been often seen as a conservatinve brand. And even with the cap in place, Nissan still managed to update the GT-R in such a fashion that it kept interest for a long time; Subaru updated their Impreza, without breaching the limit, for years and it retained popularity. NSX was Honda's biggest ever mistake, not because they offered it it, but because of their treatment of the car that reminds me of an orphan. Never received much updates, never got attention for a while, and never successful.
 
Of course, Ive lost faith in Honda SegarisGTB! Have you seen their lineup lately or driven any of their recent products? No, they arent bad, they just arent what they used to be. Case in point, the new Civic, which is as large and performs similarly to the Accords of the 1990s. They have become overpriced, underperforming loads of crap, that are generally only appealing to a certain group of people with their current update. The life has all but been sucked out in every model with the exception of the Si, but the spaceship looks and 2021 interior are turnoffs for most people with functioning braincells.

...Honda still makes good cars, but they arent things I would care to drive. Outside of the upcomming Fit and the S2000, not a single vehicle in the Honda lineup would fit my tastes in a new automobile.

Whats the problem with the Corvette? Yes, it outperforms many cars that are far better for less than half the price, Gallarado included. But, it also has to deal with the sub-par interior, and occasionally shoddy build quality. I will be the first Corvette lover to admit it, its not perfect, but when you can buy a $70,000 Z06 and play games with $200,000 Ferrari F430s and Pagani Zondas, thats pretty impressive for a car built in Kentucky.

Honda will probably match the C6 Z51, or preferably beat it, but they wont be able to do it for a similar price.

...Value seems to be a problem over at Honda and Acura. If youre wondering why so many people have lost faith, thats a good place to start...
 
YSSMAN, Ill invite you to come to my university to give a lecture on why Honda, Toyota and Nissan isnt good anymore. :bowdown: :lol:
 
YSSMAN has good perspective, I'd agree.. 👍

I really think it's going to be an uphill battle for Honda, trying to get people to cross-shop a Honda (or an Acura, as it were) with Porsches and Vettes...
 
I could argue, but ill let it go. You guys are obviously looking at this from a different perspective than I am. You see Honda as a crudy car maker that makes nothing but boring cars and cant do performance. I see Honda as a company that knows what they are doing by aiming cars like the Civic and Accord towards their buyers who are buying them, and doing their sports cars differently. Honda beat Ferrari 15 years ago, and I see them doing it again.
 
SagarisGTB
I could argue, but ill let it go. You guys are obviously looking at this from a different perspective than I am. You see Honda as a crudy car maker that makes nothing but boring cars and cant do performance. I see Honda as a company that knows what they are doing by aiming cars like the Civic and Accord towards their buyers who are buying them, and doing their sports cars differently. Honda beat Ferrari 15 years ago, and I see them doing it again.

Well, I see a reason for me to let go as well :indiff:
 
I'm not getting this next NSX being compared with an Aston Martin DB9 comparison, the NSX is meant to be a supercar, the DB9 is a GT, the DB9 is the best in it's class but I don't think the Aston is in the NSX's sights at all. They're being built for two different market's.
 
I think the DB9 was picked for its price/performance ratio, despite the fact that the Vanquish S would probably be a better comparison. But at over $200K USD, the Vanquish is well above the pricepoint at which Honda would most likely price their car at.

...SegarisGTB: I dont completely hate Honda, I just want to be realistic when it comes to the story. Honda has the means generally to do whatever they want to do with this car. If it be looks, engineering, whatever, it would be Honda who would revolutionize the market, but they would also be one of the first to take all the fun out of their cars. They build great cars for people who want something better to drive than a Toyota or Nissan from point A to point B, but there are plenty of people out there who wouldnt dream of buying one.

They did beat up on the Ferrari 348, but after the 355 was introduced, the tables turned once again. They beat up on the Corvette, but once the ZR1 was introduced, the tables were turned again. You have to look at the supercar market in a similar way to the cold war... Both sides (in this case, many sides) are trying to top eachother, and once one car does, one more will, to the point where the previous was obselete. Thus was the case of the origional NSX, baisicly unchanged for 15 years, largely defeated in the North American and European markets.

We all could be completely wrong, but at the time being, it is just not in Honda's nature to be able to beat the F430... Its just that good...
 
The DB9 is simply the best GT overall, great to drive, great to sit in, great looks, price, performance, everything. The NSX is more likely to be aimed at the Gallardo and F430, it's not a GT. It won't offer the luxury, comfort or refinement of the DB9 or the rear seats, it's being touted as a supercar.
 
I'm a little surprised how critical some of you are of Honda. Personally, I think they make class leaders of almost all their vehicles and represent good value --particularly the Acura division.

As for their products being boring and pedestrian, let's be realistic for a minute: Honda must make products for the average, non-enthusiast Joe and Jane, just like most other volume manufactuers. GM, Ford and Toyota's lineup are full of soul-less appliances and Honda is no different.

But take an S2000 out for a spin and it would be clear as day that Honda still knows how to make a proper driver's car. I've read even a V6 Accord is a pretty good drive when ordered with a manual.


M
 
I completely agree with you M, but the problem is is that Honda used to inject that level of fun to drive you find in the S2000 and Si into EVERY model, not just a select few. For every boring Japanese car, there is of course an American equal, and to some extent a German.

If the market was dictated by enthusiests, we would all be driving cars similar to the Lotus Elise, but that is completely unrealistic for most people.

...What I was getting at is that Honda just isnt what it used to be. Cars like the Prelude and CRX Si dominated much of the sub-$20,000 market back in the late '80s and the majority of the '90s, but in a post sixth-gen Civic world, Honda has lost touch with what made their cars better than the competition.
 
YSSMAN
...What I was getting at is that Honda just isnt what it used to be. Cars like the Prelude and CRX Si dominated much of the sub-$20,000 market back in the late '80s and the majority of the '90s, but in a post sixth-gen Civic world, Honda has lost touch with what made their cars better than the competition.

Well, the Prelude was axed because Honda decided it would be best to merge the Integra and Prelude line together and just sell the RSX. I remember being underwhelmed with the RSX-S when I drove one, but certainly it wasn't a bad car.

I'm pretty sure sales of the car are pretty strong and it is generally well considered by the public and press.

And don't forget, the TSX is probably the best compact entry level sport sedan out right now.

As for the Civic, I couldn't comment. I don't think I've ever driven a single one.

The TL and RL are very competative cars in their class.

The Pilot is also excellent, as is the Odessey. The Accord is the same as it always was.. simply one of the best vanilla family haulers there is. And you can get it in a stick. With the V6! How many of the Accord's competitors offers that?

I dunno, maybe the new Civic isn't all that, but the rest of their lineup looks pretty strong to me. Hardly "peices of crap". If Honda ever decides to invest in a flexible RWD platform to share across a new generation of sedan/coupes, I think it's competitors will be in some trouble.


M
 
///M-Spec
If Honda ever decides to invest in a flexible RWD platform to share across a new generation of sedan/coupes, I think it's competitors will be in some trouble.

AMEN, Brother!

the other thing missing from Honda's equation is a V8. that's gonna be the tough part. The new NSX was the perfect oppurunity to design one, but they decided to go with a V10.

too late now....
 
live4speed
The DB9 is simply the best GT overall, great to drive, great to sit in, great looks, price, performance, everything. The NSX is more likely to be aimed at the Gallardo and F430, it's not a GT. It won't offer the luxury, comfort or refinement of the DB9 or the rear seats, it's being touted as a supercar.
of course

and lol, you are british. The rest of the world considers the 612 to be the best.
 
The 612 is a bit faster sure, imo it's not as nice looking, but it's a hell of a lot more expensive, nearly £70k over the price of a DB9, and it's not comfier than a DB9. So just why is that a better car? If money is no object, then it's only better if you prefer the looks and if the peak perfomance is of that much concern to you over comfort. When all things are considered, for comfort it loses, for looks it's down to opinion, for economy it loses, for price it loses, for cost of ownership including depreciation it loses, for performance it win's. But for how you'd actually use the car day to day, it's not as good as the Aston.
 
The flaws of the 612 are looks (for some, I think it looks alright), price and fuel economy. Nevertheless, the 612 beat out the DB9 twice in two american car magazines.

Car and Driver
1st- Ferrari 612 Scaglietti F1
2nd- Mercedes CL600
3rd- Aston Martin DB9
4th-Bentley Continental GT

MotorTrend
1st- Bentley Continental GT
2nd- Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
3rd- Aston Martin DB9

4th- Mercedes CL65 AMG

Of course different people will see things different, but these magazines saw the 612 as the better car in their comparos even with the flaws.
 
It's the Aston genrally coming in first here, with the view that as good as it is the Ferrari just isn't worth the price when you can get DB9 good for £70k less. The fact that both thoes mag's had vastly different results shows just how far personal opinion can go though, with the GT going from last to first in the two tests :lol:. Bottom line is they're both great.
 
I can agree with that. It also greatly depends what you are looking for in the personality in the car as the DB9 is much more of a sports car than a pure GT, especially compared with a bentley or merc. The general consensus seems to be that the 612 is probably the better car, but it should be when you consider the price. The question becomes if it is worth the extra cash over the DB9.
 
Dont worry live4speed, there are plenty of level-headed Americans who appreciate the Aston Martin DB9 over the Ferrari 612. Its a matter of taste, and some people have it, and others do not. I personally would go for the DB9 in a heartbeat over the 612, completely disreguarding the ratings given by most magazines... Their words and numbers mean nothing when an automaker produces a product that looks that good, drives that well, and still can be had for less than $200K.

As Mr. Clarkson put it, "The Aston Martin DB9, however, is different because it was not designed to be the last word in driving pleasure. It was designed to be a comfortable, elegant and powerful long-distance cruiser, a GT car in the real sense of the word: a Grand Tourer."

Thats all that matters in the realm of the GT car, and it is clearly why it is superior to the 612, hands down.
 
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