New owner for TVR within a fortnight

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I guess I'm the odd man out since I'd want a 3000M or maybe one of the Vixens.

TVR would fit in well in the states alongside Panoz, Mosler, Callaway, Saleen, and the rest. Why not bring 'em over. Sheesh, they sell Nobles in the states, don't they?

Yes, NOBLE is selling quite well as a matter of fact. Car and Driver just did a big write-up on the Noble M400 as one of the best track-ready cars you can buy. But their tester had a dizzying sticker price of $94,000 and that, IMO, is a bit high in the land of the Z06 and SRT-10 Coupe. Oh well, the Ariel Atom was by-far the fastest car there (Z06 came close), was pretty cheap, and by-God is it a really cool car. The best part was is that they only had a "Stage 2" car with the lightly-modified LSJ I4 from the Cobalt SS.

I completely agree that TVR will fit in very well with the likes of Panoz, Mosler, etc. Now that Pangani, Spyker, and Koenigsegg are finally selling cars here, that would be cool to have TVR added to this list as well. If they can squeeze them into our country for less than $100K, they probably won't be able to bring enough to this country... And even then, I doubt we would care much if they remained RHD, we want them that bad...

As for what I'd want, it is a tough call. I'm madly in love with the Sagaris and it's wild oats nature, but it isn't like I wouldn't be happy with a T350 (canceled?) or Tuscan. I just want one in a deep, electric blue paint job with a black leather interior... Then I'd be very happy indeed.
 
Yes, NOBLE is selling quite well as a matter of fact. Car and Driver just did a big write-up on the Noble M400 as one of the best track-ready cars you can buy. But their tester had a dizzying sticker price of $94,000 and that, IMO, is a bit high in the land of the Z06 and SRT-10 Coupe. Oh well, the Ariel Atom was by-far the fastest car there (Z06 came close), was pretty cheap, and by-God is it a really cool car. The best part was is that they only had a "Stage 2" car with the lightly-modified LSJ I4 from the Cobalt SS.

I completely agree that TVR will fit in very well with the likes of Panoz, Mosler, etc. Now that Pangani, Spyker, and Koenigsegg are finally selling cars here, that would be cool to have TVR added to this list as well. If they can squeeze them into our country for less than $100K, they probably won't be able to bring enough to this country... And even then, I doubt we would care much if they remained RHD, we want them that bad...

As for what I'd want, it is a tough call. I'm madly in love with the Sagaris and it's wild oats nature, but it isn't like I wouldn't be happy with a T350 (canceled?) or Tuscan. I just want one in a deep, electric blue paint job with a black leather interior... Then I'd be very happy indeed.
If the Atom raced the Z06 around a track, I would say the Atom would beat the Z06 in most tests around a track.
 
I'll give-up the deets:

Buttonwillow Raceway (2.7 miles) (Times shown followed by average speed)

- Corvette Z06: 2:01:00/ 80.3
- Lotus Exige S: 2:04:30/ 78.2
- Porsche 911 GT3: 2:01:50/ 80.0

- Ariel Atom 2: 1:58:30/ 82.2
- Noble M400: 2:00:40/ 80.7
- Brock Coupe (Powered by Roush): 2:02:70/ 79.2

The Z06 held up pretty well for a production car, one that does double-duty on the track and the street. The times for the GT3 I though would have been a bit better, but as I understand it, the updated suspension in the Z06 has helped greatly...

...Now if we could have had a Sagaris there... Hmmm...
 
Keep them out. The last thing we want is more low-quality high-dollar sports cars. We've got enough of those.

http://chevrolet.jbcarpages.com/Corvette/2002/Bilder/2002 Corvette Silver front right 2.jpg

I can see how some would think that TVR's are essentially British Corvettes, but there's a very different feel to TVRs. To begin with, they're beautifully made, inside & out, especially compared to the Corvette. Not to mention the fact that they're actually enjoyable at speeds below 100 MPH. ;)

I also still stand by my theory that increasing reliability (and "quality") somehow erases fun & emotion from cars. The best example is Toyota/Lexus, but you could also say the same for Mercedes: their Q/A is slipping at the same time they're finally getting some driving enjoyment from their AMG models. It's not a cause & effect thing, but a definite correlation.
 
I'll give-up the deets:

Buttonwillow Raceway (2.7 miles) (Times shown followed by average speed)

- Corvette Z06: 2:01:00/ 80.3
- Lotus Exige S: 2:04:30/ 78.2
- Porsche 911 GT3: 2:01:50/ 80.0

- Ariel Atom 2: 1:58:30/ 82.2
- Noble M400: 2:00:40/ 80.7
- Brock Coupe (Powered by Roush): 2:02:70/ 79.2

The Z06 held up pretty well for a production car, one that does double-duty on the track and the street. The times for the GT3 I though would have been a bit better, but as I understand it, the updated suspension in the Z06 has helped greatly...

...Now if we could have had a Sagaris there... Hmmm...

Looking at lap times posted on TopGear or EVO mag, i would guess that the Sagaris would post somewhere in the region of a 2:03:50.
 
Some more detail on the Al Mellings bid, and some potential good news for American TVR fans.

Pistonheads
Engine designer Al Melling plans to buy TVR -- and bring back the Griffith.

Melling has entered the bidding process for TVR and reckons that it will take some £10 million, including the purchase price, to get the Blackpool car company back on its feet again.

Melling has made millions designing engines all over the world -- he said a number of the top mechanics in the world's racing teams started at Melling's shop. He also co-designed the AJP engine that appeared first in the Cerbera and then, after the demise of the Rover V8-engined cars, every TVR from the Tuscan onwards.

He recently made headlines with the concept of his new, stripped-out road racer, the £185,000 Hellcat, whose 1,200bhp quad-turbo 6-litre V10 is aiming to strip the 252mph Bugatti Veyron of its 'world's fastest road car' epithet. But although he plans only to build 20 Hellcats a year, he needs premises and people to build it. Enter TVR.

Melling outlined his plans for TVR to PistonHeads yesterday. After the three to four months he said it would take to clear up the mess the factory has become, TVR could start producing cars again out of the Bristol Avenue premises in Blackpool.

Melling said that one of the biggest problems he's had when planning production of the Hellcat was finding the right kind of experience to build the car. With only about 50 miles and an hour's drive from his base in Rochdale to Blackpool, he believes that the right experience exists within TVR's ex-workforce who, if his bid succeeds, will be re-employed to build it.

"I want to take the people who used to work at TVR and have them continue at the Bristol Avenue factory," he said. "If I can't deal with Peter Wheeler to buy the plant, then I'll talk to Blackpool Corporation about other premises."

He also plans to revive the TVR Griffith, which kick-started the glory years for TVR in the 1990s, when its curvy, retro-look and gloriously burbling cars turned the company into a big profit generator. The new Griff will be powered by a V8 -- either a Melling designed motor or an AJP8. "It was a lovely car", he said. "It should never have been dropped."

But there's a lot to do before that. It will take time to clear up the factory and get it into a state where it's possible to work and make cars, said Melling. "I went to look at it yesterday, and it's a mess. There's all sorts of stuff lying around, with cars half-built with no components to build them."

Melling plans to export most of the cars he'd build, with most exports going to the USA. He said he has dealers in Florida and Silicon Valley lined up, and knows how to get the cars through California's stringent crash tests.

On the back of that, he plans to enter the Wildcat -- a racing version of the Hellcat powered by a 5-litre Melling V8 -- into US race series such as American Le Mans, as well as starting a US version of the Tuscan Challenge using the new Griff as a base.

On his plans for the UK, Melling was less forthcoming, and wouldn't discuss plans for rebuilding TVR's UK dealer network, for example.

The bidding is a closed envelope process -- a process that Melling said ought to be open -- and the highest bidder, and presumably the winner, will be revealed on 23 February.

Source - http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/default.asp?storyId=15849

Regards

Scaff
 
I'll let you have a whirl.

Hmmm

whirl (hwûrl, wûrl)

v., whirled, whirl·ing, whirls.

v.intr.
To revolve rapidly about a center or an axis.
To rotate or spin rapidly
To turn rapidly, changing direction; wheel:
To have the sensation of spinning; reel:
To move circularly and rapidly in varied, random directions:

Possibly not one of the things you'd want to do in a Griffith...
 
Certainly the easiest thing to achieve though.
 
I'm sure I'm with the majority here when I say, I hope Melling wins the bidding.
 
I think the Griff deserves a better sounding engine than the AJP8, which to me has always sounded like a four pot with a fruity exhaust. Half the impact of the previous Griff was the sound it made, even on tick-over. Not saying that the AJP8 is a bad engine in anyway, or even a bad sounding engine, it's just not a Griffith sounding engine.
 
Looking at lap times posted on TopGear or EVO mag, i would guess that the Sagaris would post somewhere in the region of a 2:03:50.
I would say the Sagaris could do 2 minutes.
 
The Sagaris is not as fast on a track as the Z06. It's had to say because theres no other cars there that I'm able to compare to other than the Exige S. Basically it's quicker than the Exige S but slower than the Z06. A low 2'03 is probably the best the Sagaris could muster on that track, a mid 2'03 is more likely.
 

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