New VE Commodore breaks cover! (UPDATED!)

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$75K USD for a 505 BHP sedan that could possibly outrun the BMW M5? I'd say that is a deal, as here in the US it is a cheaper alternative, and you should be able to geat a real transmission without the computers to override your every decision.

...But yes, anything less than the LS7 isn't worth it for that much unless the car is outrageously fast to begin with...
 
What GM should do is call the Commodore a Commodore, a Monaro a Monaro, etc. When I think Impala, I sure don't think of anything nice, besides the look of the newest one. With new names, people don't think of it as being the same car. Naming the Monaro the GTO here probably kept it from selling initially. Its been said before, people think of the more aggressive GTOs (like the Judge) when they hear the name, and the Monaro was not aggressive looking (note: I fell in love with the thing, I could care less what it was called).

I think the faces and modifications that GM does to the VE cars will determine how well they sell, personally. Americans tend to have a fear of RWD cars during bad weather too, and I know many people don't believe driving aids are going to keep it from swapping ends. Sort of the same deal with modern diesels. I don't know a single person who has a diesel car, only trucks. Why not? "They don't start in the winter, they are noisy, fuel is more expensive...blah..blah..."

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Here is the problem though...

If you were to ask the average buyer who will be looking for a new sedan, they are going to be more receptive to the Impala name than that of the Commodore. Have a model's history helps in this instance, and I am begining to worry about Pontiac's possible decision to drop the Grand Prix name in favor of "G8."

But, yes, Commodore could work here too. Maybe as a Saturn? (lol)
 
I love the guages though. 👍

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The new interior designs look great. 👍
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Guess this explains it. :D


The Design Story - Interior

Holden's determination to make the interior of VE Commodore a special place to be was aided by flexible thinking. By BRUCE NEWTON.

Holden has developed a clever design process that allows increased interior differentiation between different models in VE Commodore range.

Called the 'flex strategy', it splits the line-up into three fundamental streams. The Omega and Berlina are 'functional' models, the SV6, SS and SS-V the 'performance' models and Calais and Calais V are classified as 'luxury' models.

Underpinning these divisions is the ability to fit fundamentally different looking components to the same set of interior hard points. It means the level of individualisation for VE is far greater than VT-VZ.

Components such as audio units, instrument clusters, seats and much more were designed and developed to suit the different streams.

"This allowed maximum difference between components, without significantly increasing investment costs or plant complexity," explained VE interior design manager John Field.

"For example, the functional, performance and luxury models each have specific centre stack features, mouldings, displays, decorations and illumination colours appropriate for their positioning.

"These high visual impact components could be changed at reasonable cost, while other more expensive but less visually overt parts such as the instrument panel pads are shared."

But back in the early part of 2001 when the interior design team started blue-skying VE's interior design the flex strategy didn't exist.

Instead, they were working to a broad vision of creating a spacious, safe interior, with optimized storage, packaging and ergonomics.

All sorts of concepts from ultra conservative to futuristic were sketched. Even a BMW iDrive-style mouse controller was considered as part of the package.

But Field admitted that didn't last long, perhaps a good thing considering the sustained criticism BMW and iDrive have suffered.

"We just didn't think it suited where we were head with the car," said Field. "We'd already done a lot of human-machine interface (HMI) work and that's been further refined for VE."

By late 2001 five serious proposals had emerged and the process had swapped from pen and paper to clay and Alias computer aided design.

The choices were then further pared down to two. One was Field's own design with horizontal themes, the other with more vertical emphasis was by the youngest member of the team, Warrack Leach.

The problem was that by mid-2002 a single theme was meant to be picked. That's where the flex strategy saved much gnashing of teeth and debate. It emerged as a concept from the colour and trim department, a group that obviously works in very close concert with the interior design team.

As a result the decision was made to adopt a vertical 'waterfall' theme for the performance models and separate horizontal designs for the functional and luxury streams.

Individualisation includes the 'after-burner' look of the SS meters and the pull-out hoppers in the doors of the premium models.

At the end of 2002, Venture Advanced Design and Engineering was contracted to execute the design concept to the final production surface release level, under Holden Design direction. Execution of some components such as audio head units and instrument clusters also remained Holden's responsibility.

From this point it was a case of refining the different designs. The concept sign-off was in late 2003, but the nitty gritty of component design finalisation continued on into early 2004. At the end of the process, more than 580 interior components had been created by the VE team.

Common to all interior treatments is the way the fundamental instrument has been pushed down and away to give the perception of spaciousness without compromising ergonomics.

A conscious effort has been made to 'shrink wrap' structure, hardware and safety features to maximise interior spaciousness. Every door has a storage bin that packages a 600mm bottle and the front doors can carry a full sized wine bottle.

An overhead console is available that includes a DVD player, while a sunroof can be fitted at the same time. Front seat horizontal travel is a massive 264mm, claimed to be an industry leader. Vertical travel is 55mm.

While there's no doubt how dramatically changed the interior design is, the actual measurements and spaciousness lines up very closely to the old car.

"Our target for interior dimensions was based on VZ. It was a case of 'when you are onto a good thing, stick to it'," said Holden design director Tony Stolfo.

The crucial H (or hip) point measurement are common to VZ, although some other critical dimensions do climb slightly.

Couple distance (between front and rear hip points) increases 6mm to 863mm, while both front and rear legroom climbs by 15mm to 1071mm and 1001mm respectively. Rear knee room is 102 mm, up 6 mm.

The old gooseneck hinges in the boot have been replaced with a four-bar hinge system, which substantially increases usable volume by 31 litres.

There is still no split-fold rear seat though. Instead, a fold-down armrest doubles as a pass-through, giving flexibility for longer storage items." -DRIVE.AU
 
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*sorry offtopic*



Heh, See Australians we are not full of Skylines, if you came to Adelaide I could have shown you mine.

Anyway what did you think of Australia on your quick visit? (you can be honest)


*On topic*

I will be going past the Holden factory later this week, hopefully I see some VE's.
I was mostly around the Sydney area. I wanted to go to Adelaide, but it's over 800 miles.:scared:
So the farthest I travelled was to Canberra. But I had pretty fantastic experience. I'm sad I didn't go to Queensland and check out the Be Your Own Rally Driver though. I'll probably return in a few years when I can get a 3-week deal. :cool:
 
Here is some good news on the Commodore for the US folks:

Leftlanenews.com
The newly unveiled Holden VE Commodore could come to the United States as the next Pontiac Grand Prix, according to drive.com.au. Holden &#8212; GM's Australian subsidiary &#8212; has reportedly pitched the plan to the General Motors leadership, and will allow board members and executives to sample the car in early August.

There were previously plans to import the new WM Caprice sedan as a Buick, but those plans were shelved. Holden hopes its new initiative with the Commodore may renew interest in the Caprice as well.

A Holden executive said the 362 horsepower 'SS V' model is the most likely VE Commodore to come to the 'States as a Grand Prix replacement. "Pontiac is already talking about the fact they want to go rear-wheel-drive," said Holden chariman Denny Mooney. "A brand like Pontiac, in my opinion, could take this car and sell it."

Converting the car for the U.S. would cost GM around $20 million, Mooney said.

Of course, exporting Holdens as Pontiacs is nothing new. The Monaro was exported as the Pontiac GTO, with only limited success. However, GM has committed to building a retro-styled GTO when it revives the nameplate in the next few years.

Exporting a Holden as a Grand Prix may make more sense, because expectations in terms of styling are different for that car from the GTO. What's more, the Grand Prix is sold as a practical sports sedan, rather than a two-door muscle car.

So I'm a bit confused now. So the Buick Statesman might not happen, and the Impala is going to be kinda different than the Grand Prix? Oh well, atleast they are RWD and have V8s. Other than that, I'm happy...
 
And since when was the Grand Prix sold as a sports sedan? Just having a 3.8L supercharged V6 doesn't make it a sports sedan...They usually need to turn.
 
Some videos of the cars in action:









They sound great, even with the V6s!
 
Those videos are now saying "This video is no longer available", doesn't matter to me as I have seen them on TV about 20 times now.
 
Hmmm, same for me. I wonder what happened...
 
YSSMAN
Hmmm, same for me. I wonder what happened...

Maybe Bob Lutz ordered them taken down so as not to alert Ford on how badly they're going to get pwned in 2-3 years. ;)

YSSMAN
But, yes, Commodore could work here too. Maybe as a Saturn? (lol)

Yeah, and maybe they could call it the 88, bring the Caprice in as the 98 and finally complete the transformation of Saturn from the "Touchy-Feely Plastic Paneled Crapbox Division" to the "Everything We Tried to Warp Oldsmobile Into But Ran Into the Ground In Doing So Division!" :mad: 🤬 :banghead: :endrant:
 
Someone hates GM, eh?

I'd like to see Ford outdo this here in North America, but wait, what? Ford still does not have any offical plans to build a new unibody RWD sedan in the United States? How exactly is Ford going to match cars like the 300C and Impala SS once the new models are out? Thow another Volvo-sourced Fivehundred at them?

Ford's current plans are laughable at best, and I commend both GM and Chrysler for having the guts to actually plan uppon doing something, and then (omigod!) do something!

The Zeta cars should be regulated to just Chevrolet and Pontiac, no questions there. I think the idea of the Statesman as a Buick is a well-founded one, but given the Lucerne's position at that brand, I'm a bit confused as to how the car would it in the lineup.

I commend GM for giving us RWD in coupe and sedan form, as Ford seems to be happy just using the Mustang and aincent Crown Victoria. Given the LS will soon be dead, Ford has nothing promising in the works anymore.
 
YSSMAN
The Zeta cars should be regulated to just Chevrolet and Pontiac, no questions there. I think the idea of the Statesman as a Buick is a well-founded one, but given the Lucerne's position at that brand, I'm a bit confused as to how the car would it in the lineup.

Just as I went around to the place where yesterday I saw a Buick Badged LHD Statesman. Guess what I get a hold of... (Sorry for the poor pictures, I thought someone was watching me through the window, and I was using my phone...)


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First VE Sighting Award goes to me :P

 
Nice one Casio, you should go back and let them catch you so you can question them :D
 
Never know....Maybe I could get a drive :lol:

I'll go have another look tomorrow. Maybe get some better shots of the back. And the front. And everything actually....
 
The car I went to find yesterday was there today. Sorry again for the poor picture, but I was driving at the time.

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You can see the left-hand drive sticker. It's badged a Buick Royaum or something.
 
Maybe they saw you taking the pictures and thought it would be safer they didn't take the VE home again. :lol:
 
I'm not too up to date with the going ons at the moment, but what about Fords next generation Falcons, any news on them?
 
I went past the Holden factory today and no sign of the VE out doors except for some clearly VE Commodore body panels and sheet metal skins sitting outside the roller doors.

The very large storing yards which usually are quite full (with VZ's) are becoming quite empty, I was hoping to see some VE's in there but didn't.


Taurine
I'm not too up to date with the going ons at the moment, but what about Fords next generation Falcons, any news on them?

Not all that much except Ford is also making a all new RWD platform in Melbourne for Falcon/Fairlane and Territory and there is rumours that the US market will share it in some way,shape or form.


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Holden boss talks VE Commodore
16 July 2006
Duration - 02:45

Following its fanfare unveiling in Melbourne Holden boss Denny Mooney talks one-on-one to drive.com.au about the fortunes and challenges of the VE Commodore.

http://media.drive.com.au/?source=i...&rate=934&sy=drive&category=&t=5NB7C9&flash=0

Thanks for the link, I see Dennis Mooney mentions the 2 mode Hybrid transmission.
 
Denny Mooney sounds like a Midwest-Man like myself, so thats pretty cool we could be down in Australia working on the new lineup.

Great video, BTW!

I'm almost 100% certain that there will be diesel versions of these cars, as they are becoming quite popular in the US, and GM has allready said they are willing to commit to diesel power in the near-future. As for the Hybrid-Setup, I'd say it is a no-brainer as well, and given the price difference between regular models and the new Two-Mode models, the car should be cheap and efficent.

...The only thing I'm confused by is the Direct-Injection question. The LY7 "Alloytec" or "High-Feature" V6 is supposed to be recieving DI in late 2007 or early 2008 for the Cadillac CTS, and presumably for the new Zeta/VE cars as well...
 
Casio
The car I went to find yesterday was there today. Sorry again for the poor picture, but I was driving at the time.

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You can see the left-hand drive sticker. It's badged a Buick Royaum or something.

Yeah, that's the flagship sedan for Buick in the Chinese market. They also sell LHD Caprices in the Middle East badged as Chevrolets. Pity that bodystyle never made it stateside, 'cause it's a great looking car, IMO.

Edit: Dude, we've got the same birthday! O_o
 
YSSMAN
I'm almost 100% certain that there will be diesel versions of these cars, as they are becoming quite popular in the US, and GM has allready said they are willing to commit to diesel power in the near-future.

In the last month or so we got our first diesel Holden Astra. I assume this would be to 'test the water', if they sell like hotcakes then I'd think they'd make a VE with one too.

However, I don't know every engine that has been released world-wide. Does GM have a high-tech, big diesel, suitable for car like the VE?
 
According to this source, yes indeed...

leftlanenews.com
General Motors is working on two modern diesel engines that will meet new emission standards not only in Europe, but also in the United states, reports Germany's Automobilwoche. The engines include a 4.5-liter V8 and a 2.9-liter V6. GM is expected to begin pushing its diesel program worldwide in 2008, when the new engines will first appear in GM cars

Chances are, the VE cars would use the V6 while the big V8s go into the next-gen trucks.
 
Casio
However, I don't know every engine that has been released world-wide. Does GM have a high-tech, big diesel, suitable for car like the VE?

According to the paper today.

Herald Sun PG7-Carsguide
A Diesel Commodore could arrive as early as late next year.

Asked how far away a diesel Commodore is. Holden cheif engineer Tony Hyde say it will be more then a year, but hopefully less then three years from arriving.

Holden has fitted a Commodore prototype with a BMW-Sourced diesel for testing, but is yet to decide which engine it wants to use.

Among other news the Fuel Economy of the range has been announced.

fullboost.com.au
GM Holden today released fuel economy figures for its all-new VE Commodore range, reporting reductions in most powertrain combinations compared with previous generation cars.

The volume base model, Omega, is 10.9 litres per 100 kilometres compared with 11.0L/100km for the closest VZ equivalent, the Executive. Reductions have also been achieved on VE Berlina V6, SV6 manual and automatic, Calais V6 and manual variants of SS and SS V models.


Increases on other models have been minor, considering significant gains have been made in safety, crashworthiness and technology across the VE Commodore range.


Holden Executive Director – Engineering, Tony Hyde, today said Holden knew that customers were seeking competitive fuel economy as well as performance, styling and other features.


“Despite more mass for improved safety, larger wheels and tyres, more aggressive styling and more powerful engines – fuel economy on the Omega is 10.9 litres per 100 kilometres,” Hyde said.


“All V6 powertrains have improvements except Calais V which delivers features and content placing it in a higher test weight class. Consumption for V8 automatics has increased slightly. When it comes to fuel economy, Holden has delivered all the benefits, safety and technology improvements in VE Commodore and remained extremely competitive".



Another thing that I found interesting, I don't know if this is new to GM, but it's certainly new to Australia. 'GM Fleetview'. Where fleet bosses can monitor where you are, if you go over a set speed limit, when you drive, how much fuel you're using, etc.
 
I have a question:

Is the fuel rating refering to city fuel mileage? According to my rough calculations, that would come out to nearly 22 MPG (thats an American gallon), which seems unlikely for normal use, especially with a V6 engine under the hood. That really isn't bad if that is the case, as the car the Commodore will be replacing for Chevrolet (the Impala) gets 19 MPG in the city.
 
YSSMAN
I have a question:

Is the fuel rating refering to city fuel mileage? According to my rough calculations, that would come out to nearly 22 MPG (thats an American gallon), which seems unlikely for normal use, especially with a V6 engine under the hood. That really isn't bad if that is the case, as the car the Commodore will be replacing for Chevrolet (the Impala) gets 19 MPG in the city.

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Holden released the fuel economy figures for VE this morning, with the six cylinder models all improving, and only a slight increase in the V8 models, despite the VE being 100kg heavier than corresponding VZ models.

Omega with Air Conditioning: 10.9L/100Km combined City/Highway

This is 0.1L/100Km better than VZ Executive

SV6: Manual - 11.0L/100Km combined
Auto - 11.3

This is 0.4L/100Km better than VZ SV6

V8 Models: Range from 14.3 to 14.4L/100Km

This, at worst, is an increase of 0.3L/100Km over the corresponding VZ models.

Pretty good. The V8 is a bit of a guzzler, but not terrible. I thought the V8s had DoD though. Maybe not.
 
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