Next-Gen CTS: See it in Jan, Buy it in July

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I want to see the Super V come to life...now how cool would it to have the Z06 motor in a CTS?
 
Cadillac had hoped to keep a lid on the project, which was pushed back because of General Motors’ financial situation. The program has not been officially approved, but work is well under way—and “Bob Lutz really wants it,” sources familiar with the project tell AutoWeek. “The biggest problem for this car is GM has other, more urgent business to take care of right now.”
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That's true. They need very badly to destroy the Deville. Maybe not even replace it. It is the car that is currently holding the entire brand back. A Cadillac coupe would own (they could even call it an Eldorado!), but until they get rid of that archaic monster, it won't do a bit of good labeling them as a brand that builds cars on the same level as BMW, because, fair or not, that car tarnishes the very idea that Cadilac is trying to convey these days.
On the styling of this: Bleh. I love the current CTS. The ham-fisted way they are blatantly trying to copy Audi in doesn't fit the size of the CTS at all, much less the design direction started by the Cien (which I beleive had more of an impact than the Sixteen ever did). They should sell the BLS here. It has the best build quality of any Cadillac currently sold, and (with the exception of the overdone rear-end) looks very nice. Still, the Saab 9-3 is a better looking and performing car, and the BLS with the 3.8 supposedly has deathly amounts of torque steer (like a proper Swedish car should), so whatever.
 
They don't make the DeVille any more, the only caddy with an actual name is the Escalade.
 
BlazinXtreme
They don't make the DeVille any more, the only caddy with an actual name is the Escalade.
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Changing the name from "Deville" to "Deville Touring Sedan" does not constitute not making it any more in my book.
 
But you are wrong, call the car by the right name.
 
BlazinXtreme
But you are wrong, call the car by the right name.
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Except that is the right name. DTS is "Deville Touring Sedan," in the exact same way that CTS is "Catera Touring Sedan" and STS is "Seville Touring Sedan;" and the fact remains that the car simply existing, regardless of name, in Cadillac's lineup prevents the brand as a whole from achieving it's current goals of being a BMW fighter. If it weren't for the oversized Buick, Cadillac would be labeled as a Beamer fighter.
 
No it's not, there used to be DeVille badged on the back of the cars, now there isnt'.
 
BlazinXtreme
No it's not, there used to be DeVille badged on the back of the cars, now there isnt'.
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BlazinXtreme
Must you argue everything I say? Honestly?
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So, if I was to take the badges off of a Jag S-Type and put them on a Lincoln LS, the car would no longer be a Jaguar (and don't even pull that "badge engineering" crap with me)? If I put TrailBlazer badges on your Blazer, does that make it a Trailblazer? Also, Ferrari sold a GTO. That's short for Gran Turismo Omologato. But it's really not is it? Oh no. Because it doesn't say that, so it isn't true.
I defy you to find me any discernable difference of note that makes the Deville any different than a Deville Touring Sedan. DTS is short for Deville Touring Sedan. That is not differing opinion. That is a fact. Period. Hell, do an "I'm feeling lucky" search for "Cadillac Deville."
 
No because the car is what the badges say they are. If you put Jag badges on a Lincoln it wouldn't make sense, putting TB badges on a 4 door Blazer would fool people though since the upscale 4 door Blazer was known as a Trailblazer for the longest time.

The DeVille used to have that name, but when they redesigned it they droped it and called it the DTS to make it easier I guess. DTS is the name of the 2006 model...not DeVille. Go to the Caddy website and see.

The only reason I'm arugeing is because it's not the DeVille any more and is the DTS.
 
Save for a 4-letter difference in badging, it's the exact same car. And it still sucks. So please drop it, Blazin, or at least argue with Toro about something worthwhile.
 
No because it would be like saying the GTI is a Golf when it's clearly not. And it doesn't exactly suck if you are looking for a luxery car. Sure it's not sporty but trust me people buying DeVilles or DTS's aren't out for sportiness.
 
Not according to VW, they have a GTI and they have a Golf. It may just be the sport edition of one but VW still classifies it as a GTI and not a Golf GTI...at leat the new one.
 
BlazinXtreme
Not according to VW, they have a GTI and they have a Golf. It may just be the sport edition of one but VW still classifies it as a GTI and not a Golf GTI...at leat the new one.
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VW also called the Golf a "Rabbit." The car was completely identical to the Golf. Does that mean the car is not a Golf? Hell, VW called a car a "Thing," when it was actually a Kübelsitzwagen. Does that mean it's not a Kübelsitzwagen? That isn't even a valid argument anyway. You can call it whatever the hell you want. The fact of the matter is that it is not only a Deville, but it also and abbreviated Deville, because "DTS" means "Deville Touring Sedan." It always has and always will stand for that. It doesn't matter if it says "DTS," because it is still a Deville. And I still defy you to find one worthwhile change that makes the car any better than the 2005 Deville, or any difference period.
And it is not a good car, especially in the new-millenium, "sporty" Cadillac. I can name 5 cars that are better in every way anyways, one of them even sitting on the same platform as the Deville.
 
OK, lets not blame it all on BX, Slicks....arguements happen because of both sides...

DTS, DeVille, I liked the DeVille name better. Anyhow, why is that car holding back the image? Isn't that car the true representation of American Highway Cruisers, soft and plush, long and big?
 
I'd say a CTS Coupe is the way to go for GM, as they seem to be shifting twards nieche cars similar to how Mercedes-Benz lines up their models. For naming sakes, lets call it the "CTC" for "Catera Touring Coupe." Back to business, if they can offer the car with a good balance of sport and luxury at a cheaper price than the Germans and on an equal level with the Japanese, it will spell trouble for cars like the 335ci and G35 Sport Coupe. The thought of a 400HP V8 CTC is also something that sounds great, as it would be a chaper alternative to the CL550.

Similarly, a cheap convertable seems to be a step in the right direction as well. If they can offer a retractable hardtop similar to the XLR and G6 Convertable, the CTC convert may be a good alternative to the upcomming 3-series convert and CLK as well. Again, it will be a matter of out-pricing the competition with better equipment and trim for a cheaper price while offering a similar level of refinement and capability. The new GM can do it, and the possibility of a model such as this shows what is going on at GM.

...I think the best news of the whole story was that they are still talking about getting rid of the DeVille and replacing it with something similar to the Sixteen. There has been talk about what is called the "ULS" or "Ultra-Luxury-Sedan" for some time now, and with the mention of a coupe, I seems within reason to consider a return of the El Dorado with what I would call the "ELC," or "El Dorado-Luxury-Coupe." Both would presumably be riding on enlarged versions of the Zeta platform, possibily a whole new structure designed by Cadillac, that would be able to accept a wide range of engines, but you could probably bet that the smallest engine (output) they would use would be the 4.6L Northstar currently found in the STS and XLR. A mid-line version would probably use the same 4.4L Supercharged Northstar V8 from the STS-V, and would be the main competition against the BMW 750i and Mercedes-Benz S550... But since the Germans like to play rough, I think we may finially see the V12 program go into production after the last debut of the engine was in 2003 I belive (an Escalade-V prototype had a V12, and was driveable). Figure around 550-600HP, naturally aspirtated of course, with full DOD capability matched with the ECVT transmission, and E85 fuel useage as well.

I don't think Cadillac wants to play games any more with the Germans and the Japanese, as they are the only front-runners in American luxury cars and trucks, and they appear to be dead-set on taking down BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Will it happen? I dunno, I just shoveled out plenty of speculation, but it all seems within reason...

It's all good news comming from GM, and it is just a matter of time before we see exactly what is going on... Seven months untill Detroit 2007, so we will see...
 
Oh man, please don't name those cars with the three letters. ULS, ELS and CTC all sound very stupid. Just call it an El Dorado, and everyone will notice. Call it a ELS and everyone will go "WHAT??"
 
Next-Gen CTS caught again, this time at the Nurburgring...

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....Nice, looks a lot like the Sixteen Concept...
 
I love the ways they attempt to hide the styling. Looks ok from what I can see.
 
Well, lets hope they put a more serious interior in there and get it to handle like the 3-series. Then, my friends, Cadillac will finially have a car that can compete in the world market!
 
...Speaking of interiors, pictures of the pre-production CTS's interior have been floating around as well!

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Good God! Is that leather on the dashboard? Is that a Bulgari clock on the dashboard?

Wow, Cadillac has gotten serious with this car. With the "Son of Sixteen" interior and exterior looks, this car means business when it comes to faceoffs with it's European and Japanese rivals.
 
I'll quickly note that this is not a bad dashboard. Pretty nice, actually. I'm more old-fashioned on certain things and this may be no different. Some people easily lose their patience with spy cars and concept cars. I always say that you have to use your mind with concepts. You can't just look at a car and simply think, "that piece of s:censored: is ugly." The final product may have a pretty solid chance of giving Europeans (since that's the target for them) to give them some luxury American machinery to be proud of. The car doesn't look too bad as of Post #79.

As of my last post in this thread, I commented on how good-looking the Euro-spec BLS is. As much as I thought this was a sweet little machine, it wasn't received too well. I wonder what would happen if it was a RWD machine and sold in America and Europe. Would it be received better and liked more? Sorry for the BLS. This new CTS is prospective of being a solid car overseas. Question is, can Cadillac cash in, or will they go broke with this car? That remains to be answered by the Caddy boys and girls.
 
Unfortunately for us, we really don't know much about the CTS other than it is based on an all-new Sigma platform, uses a direct-injection 3.6L "High-Feature" V6, and will have optional manual and automatic transmissions.

Judging by the looks, size, and percieved demeanor of the car, the CTS seems to be hunting more for the C-Class than the 3-series this time around, but should fare well against both cars I would think.
 
Ooh, I just had a wonderful thought that will probably never happen.

Refreshed BLS with a Kappa chassis underneath it, get Lotus to tune the suspension, stick a high feature 3.6 V-6 in there, tell Infiniti and Lexus "This is how you chase BMW" and sell it overseas.
 
Could happen I suppose. I'm actually surprised there has not been a Kappa sedan concept created yet. How hard could it be? They allready had the Chevrolet Nomad 2+2 shooting-break!

If we want to talk about Saabs as Kappas however, rumor has it that Saab is working on a larger version of the Kappa platform to make a street version of the Aero-X concept car...
 
Man, a Kappa platform car for a baby Caddy would be awesome.

Light, nimble, able to keep up with the Beemers, with Caddy styling, and a good strong engine.

Someone get me the head of GM product development, stat!
 
I don't think Cadillac is looking to tap the Kappa platform though. I don't think it is "premium" enough to match their requirements for a new car, but I cannot completely say it is out of the question. The thought of a "son-of-XLR" convertable sounds good, but then again, it kinda doesn't.

Rumor is that GM is working on a CTS lineup such as this:
- Sedan: 2.8, 3.6, 6.0 (V)*
- Coupe: 2.8, 3.6, 6.0 (V)*
- Convertable: 3.6

* 6.0L LS2 may be replaced by 7.0L LS7, but nothing solid as of yet.

...If the rumors are true, the CTS lineup would be fairly similar to that of the BMW 3-series, giving a wide range of options at prices that are quite reasonable.
 
The CTS is growing though.

A Kappa BLS or whatever would slot in wonderfully and be nimble enough to compete dynamically with the 1/3 Series.
 

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