**Next GTP Concern**

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**Post numbers to dissappear from your posts?**

  • No way I like to see all the post numbers when I'm reading a thread, I sure ain't going to another p

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • Yes I think we should take post numbers off the threads, we don't need them..

    Votes: 8 34.8%

  • mmmm yes mmmm no mmmmm ah I just don't give a (fill in accordingly)..

    Votes: 5 21.7%
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I've read that another updated :gtp: is on the way....and I remember reading that member post numbers were no longer to be displayed on posts :rscared:.

Now I can go on about it forever but I thought it'd be interesting to see how other members feel? đź’ˇ

And Jordan if there are to be any other major changes could you allow members to vote before you introduce them? :D
 
Post numbers is a hugely contentious subject. Personally, I'm not sure that it really makes any odds, and that waht's more important is the content of the posts, rather than how many posts a user has made.

What we're really looking for is a key to see how to rate what someone has said. All too often, someone will say something, and just because they have less than 5000 posts, some smart Alec will claim to know more, simply because they've made more posts themselves.

Can contribution to GTP be measured simply in # posts? Emphatically, not, and you only need to see that Jordan is halfway down the top posters page to see proof of that.

Fundamentally, I try to judge people based upon what they're saying, rather than how long they've been here, or how much they've said. Since publishing the number of posts seems to be other people's way of making judgements, there have been occasions where contributions to the community have suffered in the name of someone trying to 'acquire' seniority by posting loads of messages that contribute little to the threads in which they feature.

The more that people try to use their intelligence to make up their own minds about individual contributions, the better. Short-cuts to evaluation of a forum user are generally a bad thing, and are hugely unreliable anyway.

In light of this, I'm broadly in support of removal of measures which allow people to take these short cuts instead of making a reasoned decision, and I'm definitely not in favour of people who use the tendency to take these short cuts in an attempt to gain seniority in a community which they have not taken the appropriate time to assess.
 
Oh, and Alex, try not to put the item that you want people to vote for as the first item in the poll. If it's a yes/no/maybe question, the poll options should ALWAYS be in that order, otherwise your polls will not be statistically significant, because they are loaded.
 
Frankly I don't care.

What I don't want to see is a rating system where members can rate each other because then every stupid ugly member I argue with will give me a "1" or whatever the lowest rating is whenever I see him, and I, being unable to hold back, will do the same thing. Plus, all GTP friends like the idiots in that "Pass and 'll" foundation (:D) will rate themselves with fives and corrupt the rating system.

If we go by date joined, then there will still be the problem with older members (as in date joined) discriminating against the newer members, as there is currently with the number of posts.

If we use posts, then everyone and their dog will be spamming to get the most posts, as is currently done and in that order. Did you know there are some "people" on this forum that have been here just seven months and have over 6000 posts? Whores. :D

The problem is that sometimes senority matters. If my computer wasn't so slow, I'd refer you to the thread where neon_duke had to, err, correct AE86Driver's pretentious and poorly thought out comments because AE86Driver thought he could just waltz into this website and be right all the time, which wasn't/isn't the case. In this situation, neon_duke, a more senior member, corrected AE86Driver's behaviour.

In the end, it's all how you look at it - if you think posts matter to you, then they'll always matter to you. If senority matters to you, then same; and if you don't care, you'll buy a $26 Jeep and make upwards of twenty-eight posts per day. :D
 
I think that post counts should be chucked out of the window, but the senority titles (New Member, GoldMember, custom status, etc.) be kept to address M5Power's point... looking at a person's title would be a good indication of their senority, without the egoism associated with post number. ;)
 
Take a serious look at why they are being removed. You should be proud of the information you have shared and the relationships you have made on GTPlanet - NOT how big the number is below your name. By removing that number, people are forced into that mindset, which will result in a much more productive, interesting, and substantial community.

And Jordan if there are to be any other major changes could you allow members to vote before you introduce them?
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No. I'll take the feedback after they have been implemented.
 
There are those that couldn't care less about the post numbers. But some of us (like me) see post counts as a reward kind of. It doesn't quite seem like a forum without post counts. If you remove the post counts you may as well get rid of the forums, get some java applets and make a whole heap of different chat rooms. It shouldn't bother the people that couldn't care less about post numbers if they are removed but it will bother the people that like them. Would you rather have your whole community happy or just the ones neutral towards the situation? And I personally don't think they are being removed for that reason Jordan. I think that they are being removed so you feel people won't postwhore anymore. That is probably correct because in my opinion, I think many people will leave after the post counts have been removed and there won't be as many people to postwhore.
 
Originally posted by Jordan
Take a serious look at why they are being removed. You should be proud of the information you have shared and the relationships you have made on GTPlanet - NOT how big the number is below your name. By removing that number, people are forced into that mindset, which will result in a much more productive, interesting, and substantial community.

No. I'll take the feedback after they have been implemented.
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This will be implemented when? Maybe we can have it as a Christmas present! :Present: My vote goes for getting rid of them. :thumbsup:
 
There are those that couldn't care less about the post numbers. But some of us (like me) see post counts as a reward kind of. It doesn't quite seem like a forum without post counts. If you remove the post counts you may as well get rid of the forums, get some java applets and make a whole heap of different chat rooms. It shouldn't bother the people that couldn't care less about post numbers if they are removed but it will bother the people that like them. Would you rather have your whole community happy or just the ones neutral towards the situation? And I personally don't think they are being removed for that reason Jordan. I think that they are being removed so you feel people won't postwhore anymore. That is probably correct because in my opinion, I think many people will leave after the post counts have been removed and there won't be as many people to postwhore.
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I kind of see what you're saying, but I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme.

This will be implemented when? Maybe we can have it as a Christmas present!
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Very soon! Christmas is just around the corner, isn't it? :)
 
Originally posted by Jordan
I kind of see what you're saying, but I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme.
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I don't think I am. You know you have to think of the effects this will have in the long run.
 
Originally posted by Eddy

I don't think I am. You know you have to think of the effects this will have in the long run.
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Actually, from my experience, it's just the exact opposte... I've been a member to dozens of forums throughout my short life span, and I've found that there's more friendship and higher-quality posts in forums that didn't have post counts, or that used UBB, which places post counts in the footer, making them very insignificant. Getting rid of post counts will benefit the forum.

I think many people will leave after the post counts have been removed and there won't be as many people to postwhore.
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And that's bad because...?
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler

And that's bad because...?
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If you read the whole post you would no. I said 'I think the psot counts are only being removed to avoid postwhoring.' Then I said, 'That will probably work because I think many people will leave........'.
 
Originally posted by Eddy

If you read the whole post you would no. I said 'I think the psot counts are only being removed to avoid postwhoring.' Then I said, 'That will probably work because I think many people will leave........'.
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But, point is, why is it bad that postwhores won't stay around?
 
Sorry, "bad" may have been the wrong context... I'm just trying to clarify your post, not trying to prove you wrong as you seem to suspect.

Anyway, you feel that Jordan shouldn't take out post counts, because "of the effects this will have in the long run", which would be, as you said earlier, postwhores leaving... I'm just wondering why you are thus cautioning him to think twice about taking them out...? :confused:
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler
Sorry, "bad" may have been the wrong context... I'm just trying to clarify your post, not trying to prove you wrong as you seem to suspect.

Anyway, you feel that Jordan shouldn't take out post counts, because "of the effects this will have in the long run", which would be, as you said earlier, postwhores leaving... I'm just wondering why you are thus cautioning him to think twice about taking them out...? :confused:
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No. The effects in the long run is members that like the postcounts there leaving and Jordan experiencing a half happy community.
 
Originally posted by F1man
I kinda agree with Jordan, you should not judge people by how big their post count is. :thumbsup:
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I don't even see people judging people by how big their post count is. When I see a someone with a big post count I think that they are highly involved with GTP.
 
I'd say the post count has one very useful quality: to discern the member whom has changed their name!

I don't think a rating system for members has any place in this forum. Let us decide for ourselves whom is a 5-star member and who is a 1-star member.

There's no point in claiming "member X with 2000+ posts" is a better member than "newbie Y whom has 10 posts and actually says something meaningful" with a star method.
 
Originally posted by F1man
Well I understand how Alex feels as I also like the post count by the posts ;)
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QUOTE]Originally posted by F1man
I kinda agree with Jordan, you should not judge people by how big their post count is. :thumbsup: [/QUOTE]


There you go contradicting yourself again, meme.
 
When I first GTP, I looked at post count as a honorable thing. Knowing that I had acheived in commenting on many different things that many times. Back then (a whole year ago :lol: ) it was also celebrated when members hit big numbers, and many members offered congrats when others reached those numbers.

But now, all the number has offered is another way of competing againist one another in this sort of game that was made up in peoples heads. Almost like the king of the hill sindrome. It has to be understood, this is afterall a game based web site, but it doesn't have to be apart of the web site. That wasn't the type of game Jordan was looking for when starting the site.

I agree with Jordan, take the number away, take the competition away, only means prehaps better posts from more people.


Originally posted by Jordan
Very soon! Christmas is just around the corner, isn't it? :)
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:lol: Hey Jordan, do I get to see previews again this year!! :lol:
 
Originally posted by Magic069

:lol: Hey Jordan, do I get to see previews again this year!! :lol:
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:lol: Haha, sorry, but I've taken special precautions to make sure that doesn't happen again! :D
 
Originally posted by Jordan
:lol: Haha, sorry, but I've taken special precautions to make sure that doesn't happen again! :D
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awh, darn it! I promise to be hush hush... well, maybe show a couple people! ;)
 
*giggles about his admin powers*

Maybe I can find it...MUHHAHAHAHA!

Ahem... ;)

My vote is for the removal of the post counts, even though this is not a vote. :)
 
Originally posted by AltF8
*giggles about his admin powers*

Maybe I can find it...MUHHAHAHAHA!

Ahem... ;)

My vote is for the removal of the post counts, even though this is not a vote. :)
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:lol: Haha, I don't think you'll be able to find it! :p
 

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