Night time is too dark, lights have flat batteries...game is too dark in general

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I can't honestly believe Kaz sat down to play GT5 on night courses and felt the lights in the cars were doing a realistic job of illluminating the landscape. And likewise with the street lamps....

It's way too dark!!
Even cranking up the EV doesn't help, it just makes the brighter areas brighter and more blown out

Must be some issue with GT5's lighting engine, or a design oversight.

In some instances, from cockpit view, facing an uphill road, you can't see anything at all! See the night race on Toscana Tarmac in Lambo :crazy:

Plus the menus and garage scenes are also way too dark :(
A patch to fix is badly needed

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edit - And some gamma calibration option in the settings page would be nice too. All major PS3 games has it, why not GT5???

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I capped SS5 to provide you the evidence

Where the world's weakest high beams reside, in GT5..... :sick:
Even a torch with failing batteries will do a better job :dunce:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8wKIrfvlvo



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I have posted direct cap pics from my PS3 on page 4. So TV/Monitor are not the issue. The actual output from the PS3 is dark in the pics
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140690&page=4#post4285719
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140690&page=4#post4285818

Direct screen caps off my PS3, high beams on, with EV at +0.4
That is seriously unreal in any langauge!!!
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What the hell happened?
You can see the HUD is bright as it should be, but the game environment itself is not
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Have you ever tried driving 150 mph at night?

I've driven 60 on dark country roads with my high beams on, with nice headlights, and it's pretty hard to see. At 150 you outdrive your lights pretty darn easily.

I think it's realistic for the lights that these cars have, but we need to be able to upgrade the lights to make it easier to drive at speed in the dark.
 
I know it seems dark compared to real life when driving on a pitch black road, but I never drive in pitch black in real life while going 150 mph+. I'm not saying that it should be that dark in the game, I simply don't know how it looks when "racing" at night compared to just "casually driving" at night. When just driving at normal speeds, you have more time to SEE the road as compared to taking corners at high speeds. I understand that the cars speed has no effect on the distance and speed that light travels, but maybe for sake of the game, they did it like that? To add more scariness to night racing? I think it works for me.

Can you confirm how it looks while driving fast at night in real life? Not a sarcastic question, just wondering if there is anyone that can compare the experiences.
 
In my opinion night doesn't really function well within a racing video game, that's the main problem here i think.

Edit: And i have to agree that the Toscana Tarmac event with the Lambo was a pain.
 
Man, the Toscana Tarmac challenge on the Grand Tour is scary. Not only do you have a car that likes to spin out, you can't see anything and the terrain is all hilly, so even if your lights did do something, you wouldn't see much anyways.
 
I enjoy the night tracks exactly the way they are. Adding lights everywhere would take away from the fun.
 
Well when I turn on high beams in real life I can see a good 100+ metres down the road
The other problem with GT5 is that there is no indirect illumination, only direct, hence when in the Lambo, if you stopped and facing an upward road, all you see is darkness...

There is also skylight and moonlight too in real life.

If your forced to jack up the brightness, EV and turn on the driving line, then things aren't well done IMO
 
I like how night is in this game. The dark makes it more fun for me, knowing i can mess up really badly and I have to watch my speed.
 
That 100 meters you can see? That's about 1.5 seconds at 150 mph. That isn't very far when trying to make decisions.
 
Pedal-Force
Have you ever tried driving 150 mph at night?

I've driven 60 on dark country roads with my high beams on, with nice headlights, and it's pretty hard to see. At 150 you outdrive your lights pretty darn easily.

I think it's realistic for the lights that these cars have, but we need to be able to upgrade the lights to make it easier to drive at speed in the dark.
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Two things here, a realistic setting and a playable setting. Is it realistic, maybe if your car has crap lights. Is it playable, barely. "Le Mans 24 hours" had/has good night play, no reason they couldn't have gone that route with it.

I have driven in the central Texas hill country at speeds between 90-130, i could still see where i was going comfortably.
 
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Pedal-Force
Have you ever tried driving 150 mph at night?

I've driven 60 on dark country roads with my high beams on, with nice headlights, and it's pretty hard to see. At 150 you outdrive your lights pretty darn easily.

I think it's realistic for the lights that these cars have, but we need to be able to upgrade the lights to make it easier to drive at speed in the dark.
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Ok, I just had to register an account on GTPlanet to comment on this one.
At 150mph you are going faster than the lightbeams coming out from the front of your car at roughly 3 x 10^8 m/s?
Some darn twisted logic there.
 
Yeah, I'm not arguing that it's easy to play, but I think they got the realism pretty close. That's why I think they should let us upgrade to some sort of racing lights to make it easier. Something like what rally cars have, super bright non road legal lights.
 
CoolColJ
See the night race on Toscana Tarmac in Lambo :crazy:
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I gave up on this race lol, cant see anything

Pedal-Force
At 150 you outdrive your lights pretty darn easily.
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you dont outdrive your lights unless you can drive 186,000 miles per second.

the only thing that happens at 150 is your peripheral vision narrows. But that doesnt mean lights should suck, it means your vision narrows and you wont see things to the far right and left of your vision.

theres no excuse for night driving being horrible.
 
I think it's pretty well done, if you had HIDs or something (or at least the upgrade option), you'd be able to view more.... but, have you ever driven down a dark road with standard lights? It IS that dark, even with the moon. Next time you're on a dark lane, pull up to the side of the road and turn off your lights. Until your eyes adjust (something games don't replicate well anyway), it is a void outside.
 
Pedal-Force
That 100 meters you can see? That's about 1.5 seconds at 150 mph. That isn't very far when trying to make decisions.
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Dude, have you ever driven a car in real life at night. Even if you go dead slow in GT5 at night, you still barely see anything. Its like they have handheld flashlights for headlights.
 
Thanks for the physics lesson. I'm well aware of the speed of light. It's a common term to say that you "outdrive your headlights" at speed.

Just means that the distance your lights cover is no longer enough to provide for adequate reaction times.
 
From what I can tell it depends too on the type of screen you have. I have an LCD and can see fine at night time, easily seeing corners where no light is illuminating them, while my brother has a Plasma TV and he complains how dark night is, even with EV turned to +1.

I would say fiddle with your TV settings to try and find a good balance that isn't too bright for the day, but you are still able to see at night.
 
Yes but you still only have 1.5 seconds to see something before you're passing it as opposed to about 4 seconds if you're going at 6o mph. That's what he meant by outdriving your lights, if you tried driving at 150 mph at night IRL you would see that you have much less reaction time.
 
Here's a good comparison of real life Nurburgring and the one in GT5. Just take note that in real life, most video camera will compensate for darkness (hence the appearance of graininess). Credit to SSRacingUK for the second video.

 
I do remember watcing an episode of Top Gear when they were doing the BritCar challenge, and Richard Hammond saying he couldn't see a thing because of how little light there was.
When driving along a country road, you will always see the next corner, because there is little space between the corners. However, when you get onto the comparatively longer straight roads (as is typical in the US, or on race tracks), the visible distance given by headlights, even on full beam, is not that great because of MOT requirements.
This may be one thing that people have not thought of; that PD decided the draw distance at night is based on Japanese MOT (or equivilent) requirements.
 
CoolColJ
Enthusia has it just right


Do you seriously think SS7 and SS5, based on Japanese streets are actually that dark?
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Then play Enthusia. Where it doesnt have the amount of realistic detail the envioronment gives off in night time like GT5 does. But at least you still have the lights lol.
 
mykem
Here's a good comparison of real life Nurburgring and the one in GT5. Just take note that in real life, most video camera will compensate for darkness (hence the appearance of graininess). Credit to SSRacingUK for the second video.


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Case closed. It is extremely dark especially when driving real fast.
 
gaming25
Then play Enthusia.
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You know, it is getting fairly tiring to see "I would like GT5 to do something more like Game X because I think it is a little better that" ideas get so rapidly filled up with "Then shut up and go play Game X, because GT5 is perfect" nonsense posts. And I don't even really agree with what CoolColJ is saying, other than that headlight cones seem to small.
 
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I think the lighting is realistic. In fact nurb 24 hour is probably too bright. I've spent many a time blatting about on country roads at night.
 

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