Night time is too dark, lights have flat batteries...game is too dark in general

[shirakawaa]

Do you seriously think SS7 and SS5, based on Japanese streets are actually that dark?

SSR7 seems about right from what I've seen, maybe a tad darker than it should be.
SSR5 feels very strange. It seems that the camera/player's point of view takes too much time to adapt to areas with low light, and this makes the track look rather dark in several spots.

By the way, SSR5 feels like a ghost city. There's not that much illumination, no crowds, the background looks very desolate, etc. To tell the truth I liked the GT4 version more. It looks incomplete, or as if there is supposed to be a more lively version in addition to what we've got.

 

[CoolColJ]

Well in this video there is way more light than in GT5. Bare in mind your eyes have better dynamic range than cameras. That's another issue with GT5's lighting, terrible dynamic range.

More trackside lighting too

 

[Akira AC]

Enthusia has it just right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbVXRxuiwk

Do you seriously think SS7 and SS5, based on Japanese streets are actually that dark?

Well enthusia looks great,the problem that I found in GT5 is not the lighting,is the contrast of some elements like dashboard dials,some of these dials are way brighter than the real thing (specially noticeable in the FT-86 prototype) and yeah some lights don't bright as they should.

But tracks like Le mans and nurburgring are placed on forest and uninhabited areas,forests are dark and the lighting in these kind of circuits its pretty poor.

Finally SSR5 seems to be that dark because is not located on ground level,so its sort of above the lights and above all the city elements,but still looks like dials are quite too bright in my opinion.

 

[Tornado]

By the way, SSR5 feels like a ghost city. There's not that much illumination, no crowds, the background looks very desolate, etc. To tell the truth I liked the GT4 version more. It looks incomplete, or as if there is supposed to be a more lively version in addition to what we've got.

I noticed that too. SSR5 in GT3/4 had stuff like traffic lights and flashing signs and stuff like that. Even SSR5 GT2 seemed fairly lively, as much as the technical limitations would allow. SSR5 GT5 just seems kind of dead somehow.

 

[Knoxcore]

PS3 games are dark in general. It's an oddity I have witnessed between 360 games and PS3 games. It does not bother me, but I get your point.

 

[gaming25]

You know, it is getting fairly tiring to see "I would like GT5 to do something more like Game X because I think it is a little better that" ideas get so rapidly filled up with "Then shut up and go play Game X, because GT5 is perfect" nonsense posts.

lol, any more nonsense then you always complaining about GT5? There is a thread that actually is very fun (you know, the thing we are supposed to be doing, enjoying the game). I dont mean to be upset or anything, but dont tell anyone here what you are tired of seeing here, when all you do is post negative things here. I just told the user to play enthusia because I particularly enjoy that these games are different. Maybe I shouldve said that afterward, but I thought that it went without saying since we were comparing both games. But regardless, dont you dare try to act like you are all of a sudden the one who has any right to be "tired" to see anything in these threads.

 

[Denilson]

I know it seems dark compared to real life when driving on a pitch black road, but I never drive in pitch black in real life while going 150 mph+. I'm not saying that it should be that dark in the game, I simply don't know how it looks when "racing" at night compared to just "casually driving" at night. When just driving at normal speeds, you have more time to SEE the road as compared to taking corners at high speeds. I understand that the cars speed has no effect on the distance and speed that light travels, but maybe for sake of the game, they did it like that? To add more scariness to night racing? I think it works for me.

Can you confirm how it looks while driving fast at night in real life? Not a sarcastic question, just wondering if there is anyone that can compare the experiences.

When you drive in a really slow corner doin about 40 mph.. you still can see ****.. Its PITCH BLACK even at low speads.. So I would say: NO, it does not look that dark while racing at night.. imo this need to be fixed

 

[gaming25]

Well in this video there is way more light than in GT5. Bare in mind your eyes have better dynamic range than cameras. That's another issue with GT5's lighting, terrible dynamic range.

More trackside lighting too

It might have something to do with the tracks, lights or something, because that other nurburgring clip looked pretty much the same light wise as GT5

 

[Tornado]

lol, any more nonsense then you always complaining about GT5?

When I express criticism, I tend to actually explain why I'm doing so. I also tend to try to amicably debate with those who disagree with me. I don't take the chess board and throw it across the room.
And, by the way, nice attempt at an insult, but it would help if it was even remotely accurate.

when all you do is post negative things all the time on this thread.

Again, attempt to get your facts straight before posting this silliness.

But regardless, dont you dare try to act like you are all of a sudden the one who has any right to be "tired" to see anything in these threads.

I have every right to be annoyed at people completely dismissing the opinions of others without a second thought simply because they don't agree with them (note how I said that I don't actually agree with what CoolColJ is saying). And I don't care one bit whether you don't like that.

 

[shirakawaa]

SSR5 should have looked like this. It's dark but you can see the road pretty well:
[youtubehd]V4QdLTuurDg[/youtubehd]

 

[Pedal-Force]

When you drive in a really slow corner doin about 40 mph.. you still can see ****.. Its PITCH BLACK even at low speads.. So I would say: NO, it does not look that dark while racing at night.. imo this need to be fixed

You realize the lights just go straight ahead despite whether you're turning or looking through a corner, right?

If you could spell I might be more inclined to debate you, but your reading comprehension seems to be on about the same level as your spelling, so I'll just let you go on being angry for no reason.

 

[Mr Laocean]

I have your problem. I have trouble seeing on the Special Stage events when it comes to the corners that are in dark areas.

But..

This was AFTER I switched over to my old CRT television set, since I didn't want to use the HDTV in the living room anymore.

I believe the game is not at fault, but it's more of what type of TV you're using.

 

[CoolColJ]

It might have something to do with the tracks, lights or something, because that other nurburgring clip looked pretty much the same light wise as GT5

But you can't rely on the exposure of video cameras to be correct.
Your naked eye can pick up things at night due to skylight/moonlight.
And light bounces off things, seeing the hard shadows of the lighting in GT5, they should compensate for the lack of light bounce.

 

[CoolColJ]

I have your problem. I have trouble seeing on the Special Stage events when it comes to the corners that are in dark areas.

But..

This was AFTER I switched over to my old CRT television set, since I didn't want to use the HDTV in the living room anymore.

I believe the game is not at fault, but it's more of what type of TV you're using.

Then more reason to have gamma settings in the options! All my other major PS3 game like MGS have it
They all have a calibration menu setting, where it usually says, adjust the gamma until you discern the dark areas clearly

It has to be done in game, turning up brightness just washes out image

 

[gaming25]

Again, attempt to get your facts straight before posting this silliness.

Are you kidding me? I mean, really, you ONLY post things that are negative about GT5. This is no secret. Your sig is even about you having a old PC game that looks better than a game that came out almost 6 years ago.

I have every right to be annoyed at people completely dismissing the opinions of others without a second thought simply because they don't agree with them (note how I said that I don't actually agree with what CoolColJ is saying). And I don't care one bit whether you don't like that.

Now youre just being silly. My post was whether or not you have the grounds of telling someone what you are "tired" of, after all of the bashing that you have done about this game.

 

[HurlingDervish]

I never really have to turn to it but,

The exposure (EV) setting provides a very unique way to get a brighter picture, say if your back light is on a low setting because your eyes are tired. Its not just another brightness setting, and it really adds something cool to the mix, I think. I don't see why you would be complaining about using it though, its not like it ruins the image, in fact, it can actually make things look better, and miles better than messing with the contrast, brightness, and gamma on your tv.

 

[CoolColJ]

I never really have to turn to it but,

The exposure (EV) setting provides a very unique way to get a brighter picture, say if your back light is on a low setting because your eyes are tired. Its not just another brightness setting, and it really adds something cool to the mix, I think. I don't see why you would be complaining about using it though, its not like it ruins the image, in fact, it can actually make things look better, and miles better than messing with the contrast, brightness, and gamma on your tv.

It also burns out the bright areas. It works like EV on a camera. Problem is GT5 already has very low dynamic range. I don't want my sky to be totally white, I know my own eyes don't work like in real life.

 

[Akira AC]

SSR5 should have looked like this. It's dark but you can see the road pretty well:

Right!!!, Tokyo is a city with many many many many bright elements,GT5 lacks this and SSR5 seems to be in a city where express ways are the only roads,I do see some elements in ground level but they are not as rich as the elements on R246 and elements in real life like the skyline in Shinjuku.

 

[gaming25]

Your naked eye can pick up things at night due to skylight/moonlight.And light bounces off things, seeing the hard shadows of the lighting in GT5, they should compensate for the lack of light bounce.

This game has plenty of light bounce, its just real dark (which is cool imo).

 

[Akira AC]

Are you kidding me? I mean, really, you ONLY post things that are negative about GT5. This is no secret. Your sig is even about you having a old PC game that looks better than a game that came out almost 6 years ago.



Now youre just being silly. My post was whether or not you have the grounds of telling someone what you are "tired" of, after all of the bashing that you have done about this game.

Keep it on topic otherwise you will be reported.

 

[Itzamna]

I know during that Lambo race I was dreaming of some way to put my KC lights off my truck into the game. I ended up sitting a foot away from the TV to even begin seeing what was going on.

The thing that strikes me weird is I swear my lights light up the landscape to the sides more than the road itself. Maybe it's just me, I dunno.

Even with running only the headlights on my truck, I can see much further in the desert in the middle of the night than I can in this game. With no moon the desert is pitch black.

 

[gtsomething]

According to Top Gear, you can't see anything when it's night time and you're racing.

And Top Gear is the most factual show out there!

 

[65fastback2+2]

ive never had an issue driving at night. whether it was doing 110+ on my zx-6r after midnight, driving a car 80-90 down a single lane rd in the country, taking my 580hp mach 1 down the track.....nothing.

 

[Denilson]

You realize the lights just go straight ahead despite whether you're turning or looking through a corner, right?

If you could spell I might be more inclined to debate you, but your reading comprehension seems to be on about the same level as your spelling, so I'll just let you go on being angry for no reason.

Spelling? Do you want to argue in swedish or what? The important thing is: driving 40 mph and the screen is PITCH BLACK! It does'nt look like that IRL.. Thats all Im saying.. Needs to be fixed.. And by the way; I got the gold, so thats not the issue..

 

[shirakawaa]

Wangan version (SSR7) of the previously posted video, from the same user:

[youtubehd]lgBPzJ1P-nM[/youtubehd]

SSR7 in GT5 doesn't seem too dark, after all.
Its scenery is quite desolate compared to the real thing, though.
If it wasn't for the fireworks it would have looked as lifeless as SSR5.

 

[JDMKING13]

Driving at nights looks fine IMO. 👍

 

[Piotrov]

all these problems are leading me to believe that GT5 was never intended to be run on the PS3....
Its like Kaz was working on the game and all of a sudden sony ran into the room at the last minute and told him that the game was going to run on the PS3...

Honestly everything seems to have been cut because of lack of memory in the PS3... I thought that GT5 was supposed to be for the PS3?!?

Memory is also probably the reason you cant get enough lighting on the track at night.

 

[Tornado]

Are you kidding me? I mean, really, you ONLY post things that are negative about GT5.

Look, me saying something nice about the B-Spec AI in GT4.
Look, me saying I had fun in on online race.
Look, me saying that I was happy about some of the tuning options in the game.
Look, me saying that I like how licence tests are set up in GT5.

So, try again. I don't have to make an outstandingly uninformed thread about kissing PD's ass to have positive feelings about the game, and I spend far more time talking about it in The Infield than I do in this forum.

This is no secret. Your sig is even about you having a old PC game that looks better than a game that came out almost 6 years ago.

It also hasn't been updated in over 3 years. It also might be relevant that I think GT4 was the worst game in the series, for a long list of reasons that I feel no reason to bring up 6 years after the game came out in a thread talking about the sequel.

My post was whether or not you have the grounds of telling someone what you are "tired" of, after all of the bashing that you have done about this game.

Then you clearly didn't read what I actually wrote. You saw "I'm tired of X" and decided to jump on me in an attempt to point out a non-existent irony, because it bothers you that much that people don't find the game as perfect as you feel it so obviously is.

Here's a hint: I was talking about the way I've been seeing people (and not just you) debate ideas that they disagree with over ways to improve this game. It had nothing to do with the idea in question, because, once again, I don't agree with CoolColJ on this issue. Ergo, I think GT5 does night time racing fine. So if you are quite done, perhaps this can get back on topic.

 

[niky]

And I hope that's the end of that.

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There's a difference between driving down a road with ambient light (moonlight) or streetlights and driving in pitch darkness down a winding country road (the Nurburgring) without.

I've driven down a lot of winding country roads with no streetlights or moonlight. Guess what? It's pitch dark. Your typical headlights don't show more than a narrow cone of road. Going over 50 mph feels crazy... going over 100? Let me tell you, I wouldn't do it unless the car in front of me had quad-HIDs set at "toast"... and I wouldn't stick any closer than 200 meters to him... because that's how far it would take me to brake to a halt when I get to wherever he wipes out. At racing speeds, road car headlights are woefully inadequate.

I've had my wild days... and I've done some silly things and I've ridden with some very silly people out in the mountains after midnight, and let me tell you... those Nurb videos are pretty spot on. Absolute darkness is absolute. It's even worse if you've got bright headlights, as they will bounce off of the road and railing right beside you and blind you to the rest of what's inside the light cones!

That Enthusia video is funny... artificially bright... about equivalent in ambient lighting to having flourescent tubes set off a ways from the road. In other words... movie-style darkness, not real darkness.

*For movie buffs and anyone who's tried to do night photography or video, you'll know what I mean... takes a lot of light to make a scene look dark instead of having an essentially blank screen.

As for the un-naturally dark SSR: I suppose the power went out due to a typhoon?

 

[Akira AC]

Here's a hint: I was talking about the way I've been seeing people (and not just you) debate ideas that they disagree with over ways to improve this game. It had nothing to do with the idea in question, because, once again, I don't agree with CoolColJ on this issue. Ergo, I think GT5 does night time racing fine. So if you are quite done, perhaps this can get back on topic.

I'm sorry but you guys should fix your differences in PM,this "discussion" between the two of you is starting to spam this thread,apart from that Toronado has shown a very critical point over some GT5 flaws,not bashing as some users say so please keep it on topic before a mod close this thread.