Nissan GTR's annoy me

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Anyone else notice that every GT-R (R34's at least) all show the same stats in the dealership? But once you buy them, they have totally different stats inside your garage? I hope there's an update coming out to fix this because it makes choosing from one of the 39 million GT-R's rather annoying since each description doesn't match the car until you buy it.
 
Each BNR30 model is put at 276HP like the rest of the 90's japanese sports cars. This is due to a gentleman's agreement in japan that every automaker mustn't advertise more than 276HP for their cars. Just about every japanese sports car does this, the Evos, the Imprezas, the NSXs, the GT-Rs and the Supras all do this yet most of them output more than the advertised 276HP. For example, the Final R34 Model (The premium one) outputs over 325HP even though it says 276HP.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. That's the most asinine thing i have ever heard, the Japanese are so weird. You'd think with most of the world being NOT Japanese that they'd do away with this feature. But then again, the rest of the game does feel like some 1990's Namco arcade game.
 
I for one don't care about this due to my extensive knowledge on machines.

Apparently, this only applies to the less specialized autmobiles in Japan, the higher levels, such as Supercars apparently aren't affected by this agreement. Neither the LFA, the GT-R or the brand new NSX have this, they have their proper power outputs.
 
This is an old "gentleman's agreement" to keep each manufacturer from one-upping the other by adding just a few hp. I think it was a great idea, and certainly much better than the myriad of American lies, which include but aren't limited to...

- presenting hp as "gross", meaning without smog pumps or other power-sapping bits (re: muscle-cars)
- deliberately underrating the hp by quoting it at non-peak rpm (re: L88 Corvette)
- waiting until the last minute to release your hp stats so you could have 10 more than the competition (re: all of them), or...

You get the picture.
 
I for one don't care about this due to my extensive knowledge on machines.

How incredibly modest of you.

The gentleman's agreement ended in the 1990's as has already been mentioned. It just so happens the models you listed were manufactured after the agreement had ended.
 
This is an old "gentleman's agreement" to keep each manufacturer from one-upping the other by adding just a few hp. I think it was a great idea, and certainly much better than the myriad of American lies, which include but aren't limited to...

- presenting hp as "gross", meaning without smog pumps or other power-sapping bits (re: muscle-cars)
- deliberately underrating the hp by quoting it at non-peak rpm (re: L88 Corvette)
- waiting until the last minute to release your hp stats so you could have 10 more than the competition (re: all of them), or...

You get the picture.

"Gross" horsepower wasn't a lie. It was an outdated testing method that stuck around since the Model T (when cars really didn't have any accessories to drive), but it wasn't a "lie." The methodology was published (in fact, it was an SAE standard, specifically, J245 and J1995) and could easily be replicated. Since every US car used that methodology at the time, it also allowed intelligent comparison among different US cars. It's confusing to us now because we're accustomed to SAE "net" horsepower (SAE J1349) as the ratings method and comparisons between "net" and "gross" ratings are difficult. But at the time the SAE gross standard was used it was absolutely an independent standard. I suppose that you can say that they should have switched to the newer J1349 standard sooner, but it was hard enough to explain the different method to consumers when every car company switched at the same time. Can you imagine trying to be the one company that switched when the others didn't? There's no way you'd be able to explain to the average consumer what the difference was.

How is deliberately underrating the L88 any different than deliberately rating an engine at "276 hp" even though it put out over 300, which is what the Japanese were doing? At least with the L88 it was underrated to intentionally discourage non-professionals from buying the engine. Hell, the L88 didn't even have a heater or a choke on the carburetor in the first couple of years. At least the underrating of the L88 (and other "super" engines like Ford's 427 and 428 engines) was due to lower redlines for the street versions (which were warrantied) than on the race versions (which were decidedly not warrantied). The Japanese 276 hp "gentleman's agreement" only happened because the manufacturers were afraid that the government was going to step in and legislate the maximum power. The Japanese manufacturers agreed not to advertize more than 276 horsepower and the government agreed to back off from its push to create a horsepower limit that was imposed by law.

I'll grant that waiting until the last minute to release specs in order to preserve a bit of one-upsmanship is annoying, but it's not really a "lie" either. As long as the stats are accurate it's just annoying marketing. It should be noted also that back around 2005/2006, Honda and Toyota were found to be over-stating the horsepower in most of their cars. For example, the 2005 Camry V6 was rated at 210 hp, but, after re-testing, the exact same engine in 2006 was rated at 190 hp.

All of this is not to rag on Japanese manufacturers, but rather simply to point out that your disdain for US manufacturers is misplaced. The issues surrounding horsepower ratings are present for all manufacturers and there really aren't any that are particularly worse than others.
 
I for one don't care about this due to my extensive knowledge on machines.

Apparently, this only applies to the less specialized autmobiles in Japan, the higher levels, such as Supercars apparently aren't affected by this agreement. Neither the LFA, the GT-R or the brand new NSX have this, they have their proper power outputs.
That agreement expired already, so of course the LFA, GT-R, and NSX don't have it.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. That's the most asinine thing i have ever heard, the Japanese are so weird. You'd think with most of the world being NOT Japanese that they'd do away with this feature. But then again, the rest of the game does feel like some 1990's Namco arcade game.
Judgemental much? Treading a fine line with the racial references... I suggest moving away from that posting style in future.
 
You can love them, its there reliability, design and performance, but when there too many, leave me out.
 
As a GT-R fanboy (my username has origins in a color for the R35), that thread title got my attention.

And there aren't 39,000,000 Skyline GT-Rs in GT6, there are just a mere 6,000,000. :sly:
 
As a GT-R fanboy (my username has origins in a color for the R35), that thread title got my attention.

And there aren't 39,000,000 Skyline GT-Rs in GT6, there are just a mere 6,000,000. :sly:
I counted 52,000 including R35s.
 
I just went ahead and included Skylines prior to the R32 Skyline GT-R because apparently all Skylines are GT-Rs. Did you also count the Infiniti G35 and G37s as they are sold in Japan as the Skyline these days. And don't forget the JGTC and Super GT cars!
 
I just went ahead and included Skylines prior to the R32 Skyline GT-R because apparently all Skylines are GT-Rs. Did you also count the Infiniti G35 and G37s as they are sold in Japan as the Skyline these days. And don't forget the JGTC and Super GT cars!
I counted all of them, I was one step ahead of you the whole time.
 
You obviously have nothing better to do. :sly:
 
You obviously have nothing better to do. :sly:
Nah, I've got so much stuff to do right now that it isn't enough, so I decided to do GT-R counting amongst all the other stuff I'm doing right now, such as wrestling Klingons, teaching english and piloting a spaceship while drinking a Martini and counting Miatas.
 
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