Nissan R390 GT1 LM 97 race car?

[alex1369]

Well i havent drive with the Nissans, i just have them, id say 98 has more hp.
Yeh i play GT5 and have everything except hybrids..
I also finished GT3,GT4 when i had ps2 but that was long time ago...

 

[Wadsy]

How to get this car??? I know its on endurance Grand valley 300km.
I have done 3x this race with GT-one 98 and got 3x f.... subaru imprezas.
Im getting pissed, ive done 180 laps there 5h wasted and still didnt get the Nissan?
So what i must do to get it? Drive with specific car to unlock it?? Race is restricted to max 690hp cars.

Or if anyone has this car upload your save game data so i will buy it from you in the GT2 trade menu. Im driving on ps3.
Tell me how to get it or ill cut the f... disk in half, cuz im pissed - so manny time spent and they gave me always the s... imprezas!!

I think it has already been answered earlier but I can give you a full run down of how I got it.
Yes, I must have done that endurance race nearly 50 times when I was younger and kept winning the Impreza Rally Car.

To get the R390 LM Race Car '97 you must:

1. Complete the 80's Sports Car Cup - Tahiti Road to win the Nissan Skyline Silhouette Formula

2. Use the Nissan Skyline Silhouette Formula on the Apricot Hill 200KM endurance race and you will win the Dodge Viper GTS-R (another race where I kept winning the rally car multiple times until I used this method).

3. You'll notice that the Viper GTS-R has exactly 690HP, which is the limit for the 300KM Grand Valley Race. That was a dead giveaway for me, so used the GTS-R on Grand Valley and finally won the Nissan R390 Race Car '97. If you don't win it the first time, repeat this step again.

I actually remember calling Playstation Helpline back in 2004 to find this answer and only got as far as use the Skyline in the 200KM race before my mother told me to hang up due to the charges lol.

(I own the PAL version of the game)

I feel you bro. I can't remember how many times I raced that Seattle Endurance just to get that awesome Ford GT90 but every single damn time the game gives me a bloody Ford Escort.

Every damn time. I've never driven the GT90.

I guess it's just luck.

I own the PAL version and GT2 is the only game in the series I think where what car you use determines your prize car from a championship or endurance race.
From memory, I won the Ford GT90 everytime I used an American car in the Seattle 100 miles race. Any other country, it'd be the Ford Escort.

 

[pez2k]

From memory, I won the Ford GT90 everytime I used an American car in the Seattle 100 miles race. Any other country, it'd be the Ford Escort.

The game doesn't have any data on which cars are from which countries, and there are no hardcoded lists of car IDs that would do this either. It's a coincidence.

 

[Wadsy]

The game doesn't have any data on which cars are from which countries, and there are no hardcoded lists of car IDs that would do this either. It's a coincidence.

I understand your point but I am afraid I would have to disagree there. Other endurance races in the game have done similar because of the type of car I used. I know that for the Rome 2 hour race if you either beat 99 laps in under 2 hours or use a car similar to what the other racers are using (Toyota GT-One Race Car was an exception), then I would get the Altezza LM Race Car. The same applied to the SS Route 5 50 Laps. I remember using the Suzuki Escudo a few times and whenever I did i would win the Lancer Rally Car. If I used a similar car to the other racers I would be awarded the TVR Caberra LM Race Car.
It sounds crazy but I don’t know, I don’t really believe in coincidence when it comes to GT2. GT3 I understand, it’s most likely luck with the random prize cars therefore more frustrating trying to win your dream car.

 

[Dave A]

I understand your point but I am afraid I would have to disagree there. Other endurance races in the game have done similar because of the type of car I used. I know that for the Rome 2 hour race if you either beat 99 laps in under 2 hours or use a car similar to what the other racers are using (Toyota GT-One Race Car was an exception), then I would get the Altezza LM Race Car. The same applied to the SS Route 5 50 Laps. I remember using the Suzuki Escudo a few times and whenever I did i would win the Lancer Rally Car. If I used a similar car to the other racers I would be awarded the TVR Caberra LM Race Car.
It sounds crazy but I don’t know, I don’t really believe in coincidence when it comes to GT2. GT3 I understand, it’s most likely luck with the random prize cars therefore more frustrating trying to win your dream car.

I know @pez2k is correct, the car used has no bearing on the prize awarded. If you feel it does it's just placebo, there has been enoough extensive testing and the code and car tagging just doesn't exist for it to actually make a difference.

 

[Wadsy]

I know @pez2k is correct, the car used has no bearing on the prize awarded. If you feel it does it's just placebo, there has been enoough extensive testing and the code and car tagging just doesn't exist for it to actually make a difference.

Then what about Grand Valley and the Nissan R390? I know for sure that it is determined on what you use, at least for the PAL version. I am not convinced it is random in this case, sorry. Maybe you can get away with using other specific cars as I have seen in this thread but it does prove my theory that at least both the 300km and probably the 200km race are affected by this.

 

[Dave A]

Then what about Grand Valley and the Nissan R390? I know for sure that it is determined on what you use, at least for the PAL version. I am not convinced it is random in this case, sorry. Maybe you can get away with using other specific cars as I have seen in this thread but it does prove my theory that at least both the 300km and probably the 200km race are affected by this.

Only for certain it isn't. For every person who claims you only win x car if you use y car someone else won it with z. You can be convinced or not all you want, the power of placebo is real and I know it feels like you win the same car over and over until you change something at times, but remember each time you start an endurance event you have a 50/50 chance of which car you are going to win. You'll get simialr anomolies playing only red or black on roulette sometimes.

 

[Wadsy]

Only for certain it isn't. For every person who claims you only win x car if you use y car someone else won it with z. You can be convinced or not all you want, the power of placebo is real and I know it feels like you win the same car over and over until you change something at times, but remember each time you start an endurance event you have a 50/50 chance of which car you are going to win. You'll get simialr anomolies playing only red or black on roulette sometimes.

I must have won the Impreza Rally Car 20 times from that race using different cars until I finally tried it with the Dodge Viper GTS-R and won it first try. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[MMRivit]

People like pez2k have been studying the inner workings of this game for a while now, and it's a solid fact there's absolutely no hidden mechanic that determines your prize based on what you use or how much time it takes for you to finish the race. It's all placebo. If you really wanna prove us wrong, get yourself a lap modifier GameShark code and run the Seattle enduro with any American car a dozen or more times, then tell us if you really got nothing but GT90s.

 

[Wadsy]

People like pez2k have been studying the inner workings of this game for a while now, and it's a solid fact there's absolutely no hidden mechanic that determines your prize based on what you use or how much time it takes for you to finish the race. It's all placebo. If you really wanna prove us wrong, get yourself a lap modifier GameShark code and run the Seattle enduro with any American car a dozen or more times, then tell us if you really got nothing but GT90s.

I knew it was a mistake posting here. No I am not going to bother because I am sure another reason will be established somewhere as to why I must be wrong, and I am not technical and know how to do any of what you suggested. Frankly I have no time for this, and I am speaking of events which took place over 15 years ago. You have your opinions, I have mine. This is my last post as I can see I am getting nowhere.

 

[MMRivit]

That's fine. I went ahead and did it myself - 15 runs of Seattle 100Miles, American car (Vector M12 LM Edition with "no restrictions" code). The final results:

A person who gets four straight Escorts would definitely think there's a pattern somewhere, but it's really just a coincidence as the GT90s started flowing after a couple more attempts.

 

[Wadsy]

Hmm, do you have the NTSC or PAL version?
Are you able to try Grand Valley 300Km in any car besides the Dodge Viper GTS-R and the Team Oreca Version and see if you still win the R390? I only succeeded with the GTS-R from Apricot Hill, never tried it with the Oreca edition. As for Apricot Hill 200km I only won the dodge with the Skyline Silohette and one other car (can’t recall what it was now).

As for other races, I remember Laguna Seca 200 miles possibly being random but only tried it twice... first time got the Celica, second the 3000GT. I may have used a similar car to the other racers the second time but I honestly can’t remember what I did there.

 

[Dave A]

I knew it was a mistake posting here. No I am not going to bother because I am sure another reason will be established somewhere as to why I must be wrong, and I am not technical and know how to do any of what you suggested. Frankly I have no time for this, and I am speaking of events which took place over 15 years ago. You have your opinions, I have mine. This is my last post as I can see I am getting nowhere.

No, it's not a mistake posting here. Our disagreeing with you isn't having a go, we just know that this has been extensively researched and that what car is used doesn't affect what prize car you win. The code just doesn't exist.

The reason people think it does is because they think they spot patterns, but that's beucase it's a 50/50 chance. If you toss a coin there's a 1 in 2 chance it lands heads, you toss it again the chance is the same it'll land on heads again. People tend to think in terms of "what are the odds I'll get heads 10 times in a row" but you have to view each toss as a 50/50 chance.

And it's the same with what car you win for the endurance races in GT2, each race it's a 50/50 chance you'll win the same car as last time, and when each race takes an hour or two it can feel more "fixed" after only a few times of winning the same car again.

 

[Wadsy]

I understand what you are saying but I am sticking to my beliefs, particularly when it comes to the Grand Valley and Apricot Hill races where I won the rally car at least everytime out of 15-20 in a row before finally implementing the pattern I did in my first post here.
This is why I think games like GT4 are better in this regard as you can only win the one car from a championship.

 

[_Wadsy_]

EDIT: i finally got the car!!!!!!!!!! Yay
I was searching a bit on the net if there are simillar questions about it and they were. I think it was at gamefaqs where i found the answer. The guy wrote if you want to unlock it you have to drive with the dodge viper gts-r(the one you win when Apricot endurance winner) or gts-r team oreca
And bang from the first try!!!!
Ill upload my save data here when i collect the remaining endurance prize cars.

I remember this post. Last time I posted here I got obliterated in the comments for having this same opinion. EDIT: I was actually more referring to GameFaqs where I posted a comment on a thread discussing the same topic and was insulted for having this experience/opinion.

Based on my personal experience, if you own the PAL version like I do it was my genuine understanding that this was the only way I could win that car, using the Viper GTS-R (Apricot 200km). You mentioned the Team Oreca as well, which I have not tried so if you managed to get it that way great stuff. Any other car I used in the 20 or more times did not work such as the Toyota GT One, Escudo Pikes Peak and others. The same applied with the other endurances as well from GT2, where it truly seemed like you needed to certain car, country or continent to win one car over the other. It’s been too long now to remember the rest.

 

[2lazydontcare]

I remember this post. Last time I posted here I got obliterated in the comments for having this same opinion.

You dug this thread up 4 years later and still no proof? Don't be surprised if you get "obliterated" again...

 

[_Wadsy_]

You dug this thread up 4 years later and still no proof? Don't be surprised if you get "obliterated" again...

I am not the only person here who has had this experience. if you even read the OPs post so asking me to prove something is no less than asking me to not prove something. Different experiences equals different outcomes. No need to be condescending.

Anyway, I have made my point previously but everyone is hell bent on being 'right' and either being nasty about it, or presenting 'facts' which again don't add up with my experiences. I brought it back because of how quickly this thread turned upside down. People really do not like being wrong, or even remotely challenged about an opinion. I never came here with the intention of trying to “prove” something, but shout out that I had the same/similar experience as the OP.

 

[Famine]

I remember this post. Last time I posted here I got obliterated in the comments for having this same opinion.

Yes, if you own the PAL version like I do this was the only way I could win that car, using the Viper GTS-R (Apricot 200km). You mentioned the Team Oreca as well, which I have not tried so if you managed to get it that way great stuff. Any other car I used in the 20 or more times did not work. The same applied with the other endurances as well from GT2, where you needed to certain car, country or continent to win one car over the other. It’s been too long now to remember the rest.

Well, I am not the only person here who has had this experience so asking me to prove something is no less than asking me to not prove something. Different experiences equals different outcomes. No need to be condescending.

I'm sure, but the people who've sat down and repeated it for long enough have revealed what we already know the game code says: there is no correlation.

Humans are coded to see patterns and ignore stuff that doesn't fit. It's a natural thing, and we've seen time and again over the years and the games that people see patterns that don't actually exist and don't survive scrutiny.

Additionally, I'm not sure quite why you felt the need to create a second account; even if there's issues with the first one there are correct steps to take:

https://www.gtplanet.net/faq/#lost-access-to-forum-email-account

And incorrect ones:

https://www.gtplanet.net/faq/#multiple-accounts

Edit: Heh.

Anyway, I have made my point previously but everyone is hell bent on being “right” and nasty about it... People really don’t like being wrong, or even remotely challenged about an opinion.

 

[_Wadsy_]

I'm sure, but the people who've sat down and repeated it for long enough have revealed what we already know the game code says: there is no correlation.

Humans are coded to see patterns and ignore stuff that doesn't fit. It's a natural thing, and we've seen time and again over the years and the games that people see patterns that don't actually exist and don't survive scrutiny.

Additionally, I'm not sure quite why you felt the need to create a second account; even if there's issues with the first one there are correct steps to take:

https://www.gtplanet.net/faq/#lost-access-to-forum-email-account

And incorrect ones:

https://www.gtplanet.net/faq/#multiple-accounts

I created a second account because the email which was associated with it was deactivated by myself. I can no longer access it.

 

[Famine]

I created a second account because the email which was associated with it was deactivated by myself. I can no longer access it - but this is a private matter which should be send via PM, not publicly.

Perhaps read the two entirely appropriate links I gave you?

 

[2lazydontcare]

I made my point, and it has not changed.

The only point you made is insist on being wrong and don't understand basic probability.

 

[_Wadsy_]

The only point you made is insist on being wrong and don't understand basic probability.

Well… once again, I played that endurance race on Grand Valley like 50 times using many different cars (mostly race models), and the only time I ever won the R390 was when I used the Dodge Viper GTSR, won from Apricot Hill 200km.

That’s not proof at all, but it is a pretty strong case in my opinion. The OP had a similar experience. I have the PAL version, so I cannot speak for the American version.

 

[pez2k]

Well… once again, I played that endurance race on Grand Valley like 50 times using many different cars (mostly race models), and the only time I ever won the R390 was when I used the Dodge Viper GTSR, won from Apricot Hill 200km.

That’s not proof at all, but it is a pretty strong case in my opinion.

The fact that you managed to get the same car many times in a row and most other players did not is proof of it being truly random. The chance of getting 50 R390s in a row is the same as getting any specific sequence of 50 mixed cars.

Nobody is saying that you didn't observe what you did, but that they don't get the same result. If the randomness was genuinely broken, after 25 years this would be a well documented and proven strategy to pick a specific prize, but there's evidence in this very thread of someone getting a random set of prizes despite trying this.

This has been researched too - the randomness in GT1 actually is slightly broken, and it's much more likely to get prize cars in one of their two colours than the other. That stems from GT1 using a random value that changes slowly, so quite often the game code ends up using the same value to pick a car and pick a colour. It's still random, just nowhere near the 50/50 chance intended. GT2 fixed this by seemingly pulling a number out of the GPU internals, which is unpredictable and constantly changing each instruction.

 

[Dave A]

That’s not proof at all, but it is a pretty strong case in my opinion. The OP had a similar experience. I have the PAL version, so I cannot speak for the American version.

It's most certainly not proof at all, it's a just symptom of seeing patterns in randomness. I've seen a coin land on heads over a dozen times in a row and a routlette wheel seeming follow a pattern of red, black, red, black, red for quite some time. Neither were fixed, they were just random occurences that have the same chances of occurring on each coin toss/wheel spin.

You're arguing with people who have extracted the games files and can see how bits of the game work including the prize cars, and they can edit which cars are won for which events and add new events and new cars to the game etc. You say you can't follow steps people have advised that would prove you wrong because you are not technical, yet then you refuse to listen to those who are.

The frustrations with winning the same car over and over are heightened in the endurance races, as to repeat them takes considerable time. I fully understand the frustration of it, but you're adamant you're right despite having seen far less proof than the people you're arguing with, and despite people sharing proof that this is not how it works.

 

[_Wadsy_]

I really don’t care one way or the other. I agree with the OP full heartedly. Respectfully, I stand with my opinion but I never said that makes it right - it is purely just my experience. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, does not make you right/wrong. You also do not mention what version of the game you have, as that can probably have an impact.

I was going to comment on the other endurance races (Trial Mountain excluded), but I realise there is no point.

Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '97 Tested and Works - Gran Turismo 2

For Gran Turismo 2 on the PlayStation, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '97 Tested and Works".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

 

[pez2k]

You also do not mention what version of the game you have, as that can probably have an impact.

The logic around the randomisation appears to be the same in all regions and releases of the game.

Also, the GameFAQs thread you linked shows someone doing the 300km race 10 times and getting the R390 6 times. That's effectively a 6/10 chance, which isn't far off a truly random 50/50. I think it disproves what you're suggesting more than proving it.

 

[_Wadsy_]

Maybe try doing it in a non Dodge Viper and see what happens, because I personally never won the car without. To be fair, I never tried using all Vipers that user listed, just the GTSR from Apricot Hill.

Something that immediately clicked in me was the fact that the car has 690HP, the same limit of the 300km race. I just knew I would win it that time (after many many countless attempts) and I did.

However, the next time I played through the game it took me two tries to win the R390 despite using the same car. I think the point I am really making is I had 0 success using any other car outside Dodge. Call it what you will.

Apricot Hill was another race where no matter how many times I played, I would win the Stratos and I played at least 10-15 times. One of the only times I actually won the Viper was using the Nissan Skyline Silhouette from Tahiti Road (80s Sports Car Cup), and one other car (can’t recall now).

As for the other endurance races, I know I believed in a certain pattern but it has been far too long for me to remember now. I have a vague memory with Seattle 100 miles, using an American car would get me the GT90, while a Japanese car the Escort. Again, rough memory here.

SS Route 5 50 laps would always give me the Lancer, unless I was using one of the same AI cars appearing in the actual race (besides any of the Toyota GT One models following several tests), and I would win the TVR.

Rome 2 Hours was another one where I only won the Lexus if I actually beat 99 laps before 2 hours concluded, or if I used a similar car as the other racers - Not sure at all as I only beat this race like 4 or 5 times in my life. I was not a fan of this one. A friend of mine even stated that he believed you needed a certain percent completed to win the Lexus, though I don’t think that is the case.

Can’t remember for Laguna Seca unfortunately.

Trial Mountain only had a single prize car so it did not matter.

Basically, luck could definitely play a huge part with many of the GT2 endurance races as you say, but the two that definitely seemed tied to a certain car were the 300 and 200km races.

Bottom line, GT2 was definitely the most annoying in the series to try to win your preferred car where multiple prize cars were possible (in my opinion).

 

[pez2k]

Maybe try doing it in a non Dodge Viper and see what happens, because I personally never won the car without.

I picked the first 600-ish horsepower race car I could find in a dealership and ran the race 5 times (with an extreme speed-up otherwise I'd have been here all week!).

The GameFAQs thread lists one R390 and one Impreza from two runs with the Oreca GTS-R, which is coincidentally what I got on the first two runs here.

 

[MMRivit]

Adding to pez2k's testing, I went ahead and "ran" the race 20 times, 10 with a non-Dodge car and 10 with the Apricot Hill Viper GTS-R. The results are as follows:

The non-Dodge set was a perfect 5/5 split, while the one that supposedly would guarantee a Nissan actually gave me 6 Subarus. So yeah, there's no black magic for fixing your prize.

 

[Dave A]

I really don’t care one way or the other. I agree with the OP full heartedly. Respectfully, I stand with my opinion but I never said that makes it right - it is purely just my experience. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, does not make you right/wrong. You also do not mention what version of the game you have, as that can probably have an impact.

I was going to comment on the other endurance races (Trial Mountain excluded), but I realise there is no point. My time and resources would be better spent elsewhere. I do not have the capacity to deal with this any longer. Clearly the OP was smart enough to move on from this thread.

Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '97 Tested and Works - Gran Turismo 2

For Gran Turismo 2 on the PlayStation, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '97 Tested and Works".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Respectfully, I and others replying to you, know the car you use does not in any way impact which car you are awarded as a prize and which version of the game you have and which region that is for, does not change this fact.

You may experience what you percieve to be a pattern, as may others. I've experienced parterns emerge from random chance before myself, but that is part of randomness. Random events can form patterns, but that doesn't make it any less random.

Unfortuantely, you are dismissing all the evidence you are being shown out of hand simply because it doesn't match your personal experience (which no one is refuting you have experienced), rather than actually giving some thought to the situation. And as you acknowledge, your experience does not itself disprove the prize cars are indeed random.

People here have looked into this and understand precisely how the prize car mechanic in the game works, it is indeed entirely random regardless of what car you use to win the race.