No point in joining online lobby if wireless?

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Ok guys, so yesterday I went into the online lobby for the first time since owning GT5. I join a room, start free racing and a few minutes in, it tells me "disconnected from server" I keep trying and it's the same BS every time. Unless you have an ethernet cable, is it pointless trying to race in the online lobby if wireless?
 
No, wireless is perfectly stable unless you're a stupid distance from your router :lol:

Ethernet is immensely superior, no doubt. But wireless isn't that bad as long as you're reasonable about where you place it.

What Nat Type do you have?
 
I don't think so. I used to live in the same building but in the apartment downstairs, and since I moved 'up' never had the time to tell the provider about it. So the router remains downstairs. So I'm using WiFi con.

My PS3 says signal is 96 - 98% and all works perfectly well, even monthly league races with an average of 8 'opponents' in the lobby.

Might be something else.
 
Mine is wireless my internet speed is pretty quick, my PS3 is about 10-12 metres away from the router when i pop in the gt disk and go online id get in the room start racing and then POOF! im disconected but when i play street fighter its never goes POOF! Now i use cable with GT even though it runs through the hallway and i trip but it is 10 times better
 
It happens to everyone. I had a crazy stage where I COULD NOT stay on the track in a lobby for more than 5 seconds. :yuck:

Thankfully it passed by, and I only get 'DFS' when the host and I have 'disagreeing' signals. :p

(^not exactly relevant to the OP, but hey. :sly:)
 
Flaco13
I don't think so. I used to live in the same building but in the apartment downstairs, and since I moved 'up' never had the time to tell the provider about it. So the router remains downstairs. So I'm using WiFi con.

My PS3 says signal is 96 - 98% and all works perfectly well, even monthly league races with an average of 8 'opponents' in the lobby.

Might be something else.
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It's extremely likely that it's the wireless connection that is the problem. Exactly what is causing it and why your connection is fine I have no idea, but going from wireless to wire is a huge improvement. When I was on wireless, I was disconnected from 90% of all rooms I joined. Now when I'm on wire I get disconnected perhaps once per month or so. And I know for a fact that there's quite a lot of people who have had the same experience, so there is definitely a difference between wired and wireless connection.

There may be other things of course, but I would try to switch to a wire before trying anything else.
 
UrieHusky
No, wireless is perfectly stable unless you're a stupid distance from your router :lol:

Ethernet is immensely superior, no doubt. But wireless isn't that bad as long as you're reasonable about where you place it.

What Nat Type do you have?
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No idea. I know when I do seasonal events I'm never disconnected. Also, when I play TDU2 online I'm never disconnected. Only in the GT5 lobby.
 
eran0004
It's extremely likely that it's the wireless connection that is the problem. Exactly what is causing it and why your connection is fine I have no idea, but going from wireless to wire is a huge improvement. When I was on wireless, I was disconnected from 90% of all rooms I joined. Now when I'm on wire I get disconnected perhaps once per month or so. And I know for a fact that there's quite a lot of people who have had the same experience, so there is definitely a difference between wired and wireless connection.

There may be other things of course, but I would try to switch to a wire before trying anything else.
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I didn't say there wasn't a difference, of course if OP has a chance to connect to a wire he should.
 
Flaco13
I didn't say there wasn't a difference, of course if OP has a chance to connect to a wire he should.
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Problem is the phone socket is downstairs. Don't have any upstairs which is where my ps3 is. Running a wire is not really an option because I did it in the past and kept tripping up over the sodding thing.
 
You know when you join a room there is a 5 bar symbol indicating the signal strength of the race you're about to join? Should I just enter those that have either 4 or 5 bars full?
 
Ryan81
You know when you join a room there is a 5 bar symbol indicating the signal strength of the race you're about to join? Should I just enter those that have either 4 or 5 bars full?
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You can try. Also look at the star symbols, they show the race quality. Try to join a lobby with fewer stars.

Ryan81
Problem is the phone socket is downstairs. Don't have any upstairs which is where my ps3 is. Running a wire is not really an option because I did it in the past and kept tripping up over the sodding thing.
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You can secure the wire to the wall with these:

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I also had a lot of connection issues before switching to a Cat6 direct connection through my router.

You should go here: http://www.speedtest.net/

Do that test, click on share your results, and then copy and paste the address here using "insert image" from the toolbar above and we'll evaluate your connection for you as well.
 
Ryan81
Fewer stars indicates less people in that room?
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Stars is the race quality. Not sure exactly what it is, but it's something the host selects when creating the room. It might have something to do with the fidelity, like how many times per second the cars positions are updated? If it's so, then a high quality may require your connection to send more information per second and a low quality may require less information per second.

You can also check this thread (about NAT types) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135539

And this thread (seems to be some sort of main hub for connection problems) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=219634
 
You could do the same thing as we had to do with cable tv. Out the window on 2nd floor and in on 4th floor. It's hanging loose outside but we have used it for 2 years and it still works :) and buy a switch so you can connect ps3, pc etc with wires
 
If you have a router that is known to have many dropped connections (wireless) this could be the problem. When you buy a wireless router always check the reviews for people complaining about dropped connections. Pay particular attention to those that game and/or look at the router's logs.
 
Here are a couple tips.

1) Since scanning your PS3 (or even another wireless device) into your router.........assuming it is YOUR router....... have you "hard reset" the router? Whenever you scan in new wireless devices into a router, you should pull the power adapter out of the router for about 10-20 seconds afterwards. Don't ask me why, cause I don't know, I just know it is. Whenever I scan in new devices and forget to unplug the router after, I disconnect alot and my speed is inexplicably slow, then I remember "oh yeah, I forgot to reset it when I scanned in my Vita, or when I upgraded to a PS3 slim" and then everything's back to normal once I do it and I no longer disconnect.

2) Clear the GT5 in game network cache in the network settings.

3) Make sure your wireless connection isn't too unstable for you to realistically stay connected online. Go to the PS3's network setting and bring up the screen showing your connection % and just watch it for a good few minutes, maybe as much as ten. Because when I first got online, I couldn't figure out why I keep disconnecting when my connection is like 90-100%. Well it's because that was an unstable 90% and it turns out every couple minutes it would drop down to like 20% for a minute before going back up. So make sure yours isn't unstable, if it is find a more stable spot for the PS3 or move the router closer.
 
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Make sure you have NAT Type 2 and test your internet connection at least have 7.0mbps (I think mine was mbps). Make sure when your entering a lobby that it has 4 or more stars and at least 2 bars.
 
Here's something that wasn't mentioned, if your router only supports Wireless N (which a lot of service providers, provide) you're out of luck and will get disconnects. The PS3 doesn't support it (fully anyways). B/G is what you need!

To find out what your modem/router supports, look for a number like "802.11b/g", the 'b' or 'g' is what you're looking for. If it only has an N at the end of it, it's not supported!
 
Another thing that causes disconnects from online lobbies is having music on. If applicable, turn off all music in GT5 & see if that helps.


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You also may want to stick to lobbies with smaller numbers (say 8 drivers) and that have mics disabled. I use a wireless only connection as I get disconnects using a wired connection. It tells me there is no cable connected, then comes back on. An hour or so later, same error which boots me off the network completely. I have tried different cables with no luck. Not a big deal really since my wireless modem is less than 6 inches away from the PS3...
 
I play wireless on a fairly slow connection and I can stay connected for a long time without disconnections occurring (usually). How far are you from your router?
 
Make sure you are on NAT 2 first and the problems will go away. Will still happen in rooms where the host have garbage signal tho
 
tell us the type of internet (cable, dsl, satellite, wireless ) - [not the way you connect to the router but the way your internet service arrive in your house] you have and we'll take it from there.

you should have no issues with cable or dsl. satellite's latency is too poor for online gaming.. period. with wireless, you may be stuck behind your ISPs firewall, preventing you from getting a NAT 2 connection [some wireless ISPs will provide you a public ip address for additional $$ to address this issue].

latency, not your up/down speed [most if not all high speed internet is 'fast' enough], is one of the two most important factors. the other is the ability to get nat 2.
 
Bluntified
Here's something that wasn't mentioned, if your router only supports Wireless N (which a lot of service providers, provide) you're out of luck and will get disconnects. The PS3 doesn't support it (fully anyways). B/G is what you need!

To find out what your modem/router supports, look for a number like "802.11b/g", the 'b' or 'g' is what you're looking for. If it only has an N at the end of it, it's not supported!
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That's why i love netgear routers. They do all three modes. You pay more for them but you pay for what you get
 
If you can't go wired you should at least take a few steps to help.

If you have an android phone download "Wifi Analyzer" (Apple has something similiar but cannot remember the name).

Check what wifi networks are available, and mainly check the channel they are operating on. By default most use channel 9. Microwave ovens also run on channel 9. Minus the microwave ovens, if there is a spot where someone else's wifi isn't using a channel use that channel. You have to go into your router settings to change it.

Speedtest.net is a great tool, but often results can be misleading. It's checking a large file download/upload.
Pingtest.net will give far better representation of sending data back and forth, versus speedtest where it is just a large file.

When running the speedtest, you should also run it hardwired as well. Probably better off to run it from a computer versus the PS3. We just want to see how good your internet connection is. Same thing with pingtest.net. Also with the speedtest.net you should know what your max download & upload rates are that your ISP is giving you. If they are saying you have a 10mb down/1mb up, and your only getting 5mb down /.5mb up then you've got a problem somewhere. If you do see a big discrepancy with what you think your supposed to be getting, try the speedtest again at off-peak times. Depending on your location to the speedtest/pingtest servers can also effect the dl/up rates. You should get close though.

In the example if you were supposed to get 10mb/1mb and you get a 8.5mb/.8mb I'd call that ok.



These are from my office where I have a 6mb/1mb rate. Now the speedtest server is about 2 miles from my office so I know I'm going to get a good rate from it.

Here's another speedtest to another server about 50 miles away. Still same result. Yeah my Up/Down rates aren't that great, but seems like a decent stable connection.







Packet loss is usually the biggest killer in online gaming. With Ping coming in 2nd.

What else is on your wifi when you are playing? Someone streaming movies over netflix ,download torrents, video chatting. Anything else happening. If you live with a bunch of people that are consistently using the internet for a lot of data, you may want to see about QOS'ing (Quality of Service) your PS3 so the router will let the PS3 have priority over bandwidth.

There could always be other factors contributing to your disconnection.

The star networking model that GT5/PS3 uses is a method that's not the best. It works, but if one point in that star is slow than all others are effected as a result of one person.

Now if you join a fixed host lobby it should be better, but there again depending on the hosts connection.

Any questions you can PM me. Not premium so I can only take so many pms.

Bluntified
Here's something that wasn't mentioned, if your router only supports Wireless N (which a lot of service providers, provide) you're out of luck and will get disconnects. The PS3 doesn't support it (fully anyways). B/G is what you need!

To find out what your modem/router supports, look for a number like "802.11b/g", the 'b' or 'g' is what you're looking for. If it only has an N at the end of it, it's not supported!
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Most routers still support the B/G modes out of the gate even if they are labeled as a "Type N" router. You can get into the router settings and force it into one mode only if you need to.
 
Infinital-NG
Check what wifi networks are available, and mainly check the channel they are operating on. By default most use channel 9. Microwave ovens also run on channel 9. Minus the microwave ovens, if there is a spot where someone else's wifi isn't using a channel use that channel. You have to go into your router settings to change it.
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Ugh. The dreaded microwave. It knocks my connection out every time. The router is a couple rooms over. Despite the microwave not being directly inbetween, it still messes up my connection every time. :grumpy:

OT: I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff, so I can't really help.
 
Infinital-NG
Most routers still support the B/G modes out of the gate even if they are labeled as a "Type N" router. You can get into the router settings and force it into one mode only if you need to.
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Mine automatically switches between a/b/g/n. I have my "cable" (not really cable, a fiber optic version) running from my modem. Both my internet and tv run out of the same gateway and it keeps up really well. I use, and have been using, wireless for my PS3 and other devices.

Another factor for dropping signal is bluetooth headsets, they share the same band as wifi and can cause issues.

Edit: I use Bell Fibe internet and Fibe TV.
 

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