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Hi people.
There was conformation today that there will be NO third patch for f1 2011 as the Codemasters team are focusing all there attention on f1 2012.
This is very disappointing.:grumpy:
 
Hi people.
There was conformation today that there will be NO third patch for f1 2011 as the Codemasters team are focusing all there attention on f1 2012.
This is very disappointing.:grumpy:

Well, same procedure was with F1 2010. Sad but there's hoping we'll see a bigger and better game than ever in about 9 months.
 
Mr. S
Well, same procedure was with F1 2010. Sad but there's hoping we'll see a bigger and better game than ever in about 9 months.

I am officially giving up hope, as long as CM has the license. I hope someone else gets it for 2013.
 
SCE Studio Liverpool, that is all. Shame the rights holders won't have it as it's more lucrative if you go multi-format.

I'm disappointed that there is no patch, I doubt I will be buying F1 2012 as there was very little improvement (By the way of bug fixes and other things you would associate with patches) from 2010 to 2011.
 
I am officially giving up hope, as long as CM has the license. I hope someone else gets it for 2013.

Both 2010 and 2011 were great games. There's no perfect game and I hate how people tend to naysay the whole thing just because there are some issues - every game has them but this game doesn't have as many as a lot of other games.

We are hoping for EA to get the licence.

:lol: So that we can give up hope right from the start?

EA is a terrible company. :lol:

It has become one...it was actually great back in the 90s, to be fair.

SCE Studio Liverpool, that is all. Shame the rights holders won't have it as it's more lucrative if you go multi-format.

I'm disappointed that there is no patch, I doubt I will be buying F1 2012 as there was very little improvement (By the way of bug fixes and other things you would associate with patches) from 2010 to 2011.

It would probably be better to wait for reviews this time, I concur. However, this would only change the platform for me, not if I'm purchasing it at all.

Its better than Codemasters.

You cant leave a game unfinished.

EA left lots of games unfinished. A sad example would be SHIFT 2. Outright broken from the start, patched, still broken. EA is not approving any more patches for the game, neither do they want to pay SMS for them. I've tears in my eyes (almost) when I think about the awesome cars & tracks...and all of them went into the bin due to the games broken steering wheel support (on consoles, at least).

Are we forgetting about PD?

I doubt they have the financial backing to pay Bernie the amount of money he's requesting, sadly.
 
Mr. S
Both 2010 and 2011 were great games. There's no perfect game and I hate how people tend to naysay the whole thing just because there are some issues - every game has them but this game doesn't have as many as a lot of other games.

Agree. Liked 2010, but 2011 is pretty awesome minus some glitches.

EA making F1?:lol: Please no.

PD making F1? Nope, don't want them either.

Codemasters does a decent job with F1. They just need to to get the glitches to a minimum if possible.
 
@Mr S
Can you name another game manufacture what has enough money to buy the rights off codemasters?

@Mr S
@Plate88
Online equal cars are not equal
Lots of invisible walls
The grapics are poor
The system setup is screwed up
Tyre bug
Al don't commit
Terrible penalty system
Co-op is broken
Safety car is terrible
Ghosting in single player
Tyre wear scripted
Bad framerate on PS3
Can Corrupt game save.
Would you like me to go on???
 
@Mr S
Can you name another game manufacture what has enough money to buy the rights off codemasters?

- Blizzard (Activision)
- Bioware
- Ubisoft

To name a few. I wouldn't want either of them to make the game but well, you didn't specify that the company must've a track record of racing games.

@Mr S
@Plate88
Online equal cars are not equal
- All cars use the Red Bull model once equal performance has been enabled.
Lots of invisible walls
- All games have them, F1 2011 actually doesn't have many.
The grapics are poor
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.
The system setup is screwed up
- Nope, it isn't. In case you mean anything apart from the car setup: clarify, please.
Tyre bug
- Bugs happen, indeed. However, going on a flying lap is very easy and circumventing the issue.
Al don't commit
- As much as it's possible in a game aimed at the "normal gamer". The PC version has lots of AI improvement mods.
Terrible penalty system
- Mediocre but well, it's hard to balance, I agree.
Co-op is broken
- Nope, that's just your opinion.
Safety car is terrible
- Nope, that's just your opinion.
Ghosting in single player
- Never happened to me offline.
Tyre wear scripted
- Nope, setups change tyre wear.
Bad framerate on PS3
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.
Can Corrupt game save.
- Every game can.
Would you like me to go on???
- Go ahead.

After all it seems that you don't have a clue about

- software development
- marketing

and little knowledge about the game mechanics itself, i.e. setups. I'm not a fanboy but I'm dealing with development every day. CM did a tremendous job and the bugs are really minor if you put it into perspective.

Yours sincerely.
 
Online cars are not equal
- All cars use the Red Bull model once equal performance has been enabled.

Nope its fact. Try the Virgin around Canada then the Ferrari. The Ferrari is way slower in straight line speed. Compare the Toro Rosso to the Williams. Toro Rosso handles terribly and is so much slower even on equal. We are talking 5 tenth + differences here on equal cars online and I know this because I've tried every single car online because I run a league.

Lots of invisible walls
- All games have them, F1 2011 actually doesn't have many.

Wrong again. There is 4 minimum at the Nurburgring alone and that is 1 out of 19 and there might be more there.

The grapics are poor
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.

CM still developed the game. Sony didn't create the graphics.

The setup system is screwed
- Nope, it isn't. In case you mean anything apart from the car setup: clarify, please.

It is, there is only 1 fastest setup out there on every single track. Try 11/11 wings, 1/11 anti roll bar, 1/1 ride height, 11/11 suspension. Fastest out there pre and post patch. CM didn't fix it in the patch. Every competitive leagues use this.

Tyre bug
- Bugs happen, indeed. However, going on a flying lap is very easy and circumventing the issue.

We shouldn't have to work around this issue and I for one prefer driving out the pits but now I can't because CM can't test their games for their life.

Al don't commit
- As much as it's possible in a game aimed at the "normal gamer". The PC version has lots of AI improvement mods.

Too bad people on the PS3 and PC can't and there shouldn't be any mods to improve the AI in the first place.

Terrible penalty system
- Mediocre but well, it's hard to balance, I agree.

Nothing to say here as well you agree but for people who don't agree:


Co-op is broken
- Nope, that's just your opinion.

Nope its fact.

Safety car is terrible
- Nope, that's just your opinion.

So disqualifying people when it lags into them is ok? Also, in the league race this happened, others were reporting suddenly being stopped and not able to move for several seconds (wasn't the auto brake feature) as well as others being disqualified nowhere near it.

Ghosting in single player
- Never happened to me offline.

By your logic its fine and its not true just because you haven't witnessed it? Nothing is centered around you and on the CM forum, there was a thread about this with quite a few mentioning they've experienced it especially into turn 1 at Monza.

Tyre wear scripted
- Nope, setups change tyre wear.

Wrong again. Me and someone else changed out spring settings down to 6 and changed the allignment to reduce tyre wear when we got exactly the same tyre wear as beforehand. Someone else drove 10 laps of India normally before doing it again, 10 laps with no front wing and locking up their tyres and they got exactly the same tyre wear.

Bad framerate on PS3
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.

Yet again, Sony didn't develop the FPS of the game.

Can Corrupt game save.
- Every game can.

Just because every game can doesn't mean its ok to allow a game to corrupt game saves. This is a game breaking bug for PC users and for some can make the game unplayable.

Would you like me to go on???
- Go ahead.

Enough said.

It seems you don't have a clue about how the game works. Actually know what happens in the game before replying please.
 
Online cars are not equal
- All cars use the Red Bull model once equal performance has been enabled.

Nope its fact. Try the Virgin around Canada then the Ferrari. The Ferrari is way slower in straight line speed. Compare the Toro Rosso to the Williams. Toro Rosso handles terribly and is so much slower even on equal. We are talking 5 tenth + differences here on equal cars online and I know this because I've tried every single car online because I run a league.

- Ever thought asbout the setups etc.? I've never seen anyone being faster because of the car when it's set to equal. I run a league as well, on a side-note.

Lots of invisible walls
- All games have them, F1 2011 actually doesn't have many.

Wrong again. There is 4 minimum at the Nurburgring alone and that is 1 out of 19 and there might be more there.

- 19 in the whole game? That's not much. Plus I've never encountered one...you might want to stay on track, uh? :D

The grapics are poor
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.

CM still developed the game. Sony didn't create the graphics.

- Sony is reponsible for the final QA, they ARE responsible for pointing out bugs. That's how it's working.

The setup system is screwed
- Nope, it isn't. In case you mean anything apart from the car setup: clarify, please.

It is, there is only 1 fastest setup out there on every single track. Try 11/11 wings, 1/11 anti roll bar, 1/1 ride height, 11/11 suspension. Fastest out there pre and post patch. CM didn't fix it in the patch. Every competitive leagues use this.

- Doesn't work as well anymore. Then again, some setups will always have an advantage over others.

Tyre bug
- Bugs happen, indeed. However, going on a flying lap is very easy and circumventing the issue.

We shouldn't have to work around this issue and I for one prefer driving out the pits but now I can't because CM can't test their games for their life.

- That's software development, mistakes happen - learn to cope with it, you'll run into much more stuff like this over the course of the years. If that's a game breaker for you...sorry but you clearly never encountered a real bug then.

Al don't commit
- As much as it's possible in a game aimed at the "normal gamer". The PC version has lots of AI improvement mods.

Too bad people on the PS3 and PC can't and there shouldn't be any mods to improve the AI in the first place.

- People on the PC can and mods should be there, if people want something that's not meant to be in the game.

Terrible penalty system
- Mediocre but well, it's hard to balance, I agree.

Nothing to say here as well you agree but for people who don't agree:


Co-op is broken
- Nope, that's just your opinion.

Nope its fact.

- Unbiased proof, please.

Safety car is terrible
- Nope, that's just your opinion.

So disqualifying people when it lags into them is ok? Also, in the league race this happened, others were reporting suddenly being stopped and not able to move for several seconds (wasn't the auto brake feature) as well as others being disqualified nowhere near it.

- That's not related to the SC itself but your connection / the server. So it's not even a bug within the game.

Ghosting in single player
- Never happened to me offline.

By your logic its fine and its not true just because you haven't witnessed it? Nothing is centered around you and on the CM forum, there was a thread about this with quite a few mentioning they've experienced it especially into turn 1 at Monza.

- Nope, I've never said that my opinion is better. I just said it never happened to me.

Tyre wear scripted
- Nope, setups change tyre wear.

Wrong again. Me and someone else changed out spring settings down to 6 and changed the allignment to reduce tyre wear when we got exactly the same tyre wear as beforehand. Someone else drove 10 laps of India normally before doing it again, 10 laps with no front wing and locking up their tyres and they got exactly the same tyre wear.

- That's probably why my improved Montreal setup allows me to stay out for 2-3 laps longer than it used to. Sorry but you simply need to adjust the setup correctly and it WILL have an effect.

Bad framerate on PS3
- Blame Sony, it's their system and QA. They could've told them to fix that. Plus the GFX isn't poor, it's standard. You could still play the game on your PC.

Yet again, Sony didn't develop the FPS of the game.

- Yet again, Sony is reponsible for the final QA, they ARE responsible for pointing out bugs. That's how it's working.

Can Corrupt game save.
- Every game can.

Just because every game can doesn't mean its ok to allow a game to corrupt game saves. This is a game breaking bug for PC users and for some can make the game unplayable.

- Sure thing but it's not always an issue related to the software itself. Just keep in mind that hard disks can cause errors too, the easiest example.

It seems you don't have a clue about how the game works. Actually know what happens in the game before replying please.

- :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the FPS issues etc. - however, all I can see on the forums are people who don't have the slightest clue about how software is working how issues (such as the ones outlined above) occur, even when it's not the software developers fault.

Once I'm seeing constructive criticism from someone who knows his business (aka fluent in programming languages), I'll gladly accept any proof. But until now I'm only seeing nerd rage all over the place, sorry.

No offence but it seems you don't have a clue about how some stuff is working. I'm by no means a fanboy but I'm seeing the big picture, I have to fix such issues all day.

Edit: just to clarify, I don't think the game is perfect or bug free. But seeing it from a developer perspective, it's actually pretty good compared to how it was when they released it.
 
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Equal cars online are not equal. Someone a while back on CM posted a comparison video between the Mercedes and Ferrari. Despite the Ferrari lap being almost perfect while the Mercedes lap was pretty bad, the Mercedes was still faster by 3 tenths in Canada. Most leagues will tell you that and by equal, there should be no difference with the same setup. How hard is that to see?

I meant 1 in 19 tracks so there could be a minimum of 4 per track. You do the maths and there are some on the racing line. Proof? Then explain how this person is not on racing line:



The 11/11 setup certainly isn't as gripper as pre-patch but it certainly still is the fastest out of everything. Try it on Melbourne to what you normally run as well as 11/11 downforce working on every track (apart from maybe Monza, haven't tested it there).

I never mentioned the tyre bug being a game breaker? Care to point that out for me please ;)? It is a pretty darn big bug in general for people who don't know how to work around it (i.e casual players who don't visit forums) and are stuck with it in a game were tyre strategy is equal.

I don't think you understand the point of mods that shouldn't be there. The base game should be good enough to not need time invested by players to improve a game that has been built by people being paid good money.

Codemasters should of been aware that people's connections would of been poor online and this pretty much effects nearly the whole community playing online so it is bugged and poor if potentially 95% of people online can get disqualified easily by the SC lagging.

Even if the AI ghosting has never happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

With tyre wear scripted, then your calling me and multiple people I know liars? I've made hundreds of different changes and all have resulted in the same tyre wear and that the guy who got the same tyre wear while locking up tyres multiple times. I changed things on the setup that says it should lower tyre wear to no effect at all.

You don't need to know everything about programming to be allowed to show proof that everything that is on that list of bugs is correct.
 
Equal cars online are not equal. Someone a while back on CM posted a comparison video between the Mercedes and Ferrari. Despite the Ferrari lap being almost perfect while the Mercedes lap was pretty bad, the Mercedes was still faster by 3 tenths in Canada. Most leagues will tell you that and by equal, there should be no difference with the same setup. How hard is that to see?

I meant 1 in 19 tracks so there could be a minimum of 4 per track. You do the maths and there are some on the racing line. Proof? Then explain how this person is not on racing line:



The 11/11 setup certainly isn't as gripper as pre-patch but it certainly still is the fastest out of everything. Try it on Melbourne to what you normally run as well as 11/11 downforce working on every track (apart from maybe Monza, haven't tested it there).

I never mentioned the tyre bug being a game breaker? Care to point that out for me please ;)? It is a pretty darn big bug in general for people who don't know how to work around it (i.e casual players who don't visit forums) and are stuck with it in a game were tyre strategy is equal.

I don't think you understand the point of mods that shouldn't be there. The base game should be good enough to not need time invested by players to improve a game that has been built by people being paid good money.

Codemasters should of been aware that people's connections would of been poor online and this pretty much effects nearly the whole community playing online so it is bugged and poor if potentially 95% of people online can get disqualified easily by the SC lagging.

Even if the AI ghosting has never happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

With tyre wear scripted, then your calling me and multiple people I know liars? I've made hundreds of different changes and all have resulted in the same tyre wear and that the guy who got the same tyre wear while locking up tyres multiple times. I changed things on the setup that says it should lower tyre wear to no effect at all.

You don't need to know everything about programming to be allowed to show proof that everything that is on that list of bugs is correct.


Don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed, too. But all I'm seeing online is nerd rage. That's making me sick, to be honest. People don't even know the slightest about how issues occur etc. - I'll happily discuss if it's a constructive discussion. ;)

With that being said: I have to admit that I've never seen the issue in Budapest. And I've completed more than 300 laps on that track alone. I'd say they adjusted the curbs not entirely correct, maybe a bit too high. That's how it's looking - but well, the result will be the same anyway. To be frank, I've never crashed into an invisible wall in 2011. So my line is either too good or I'm just lucky. Probably the latter. :P

However, I'm not convinced about the equal cars thing. I guess it'd be best to hook up 2 consoles through LAN cables and give it a go. Everything else could be lag etc., sadly. I can't agree that CM has to expect bad connections, tho. It's 2011, most people have 2-4mbit connections - those should be lag free.

I didn't call anyone a liar btw, I just said that I could extend the durability by a few laps by making the right changes. That's all. Regarding the mods: I've been playing online since the 90s and one thing I've learned is that the community of a game quite often has a different opinion on how a game should work. That led to some great mods (Counter-Strike, Quake World and the likes) but doesn't mean a game is outright broken. If CM doesn't make the AI faster, it's maybe because of a reason we don't know anything about. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean someone simply forgot it.

Generally speaking about setups: I've tried a lot of things and found that 11/11 never beat a real race setup anymore. That's only right if you're driving in GP / career mode with all aids disabled (you're probably doing just that, I guess). It's a shame that there are immense advantages through setups but well, that's how it works.
 
Matthew77258
Online equal cars are not equal

Did two races online and got wrecked in first corner. Haven't went back. From just those two races, I've seen that the online talent in this game is abysmal at best. So, don't know of any glitches online besides the other drivers.:sly:

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Lots of invisible walls

Never hit an invisible wall in 2011. In 2010 many times especially at Monaco, but not in 2011.

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The graphics are poor

I'll agree the ps3 graphics are terrible. That's why I got the game on the PC as well. I know this is not the "fix", but it was for me.

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The system setup is screwed up

Don't know what this is. Car setups? Menus?

Matthew77258

Don't drive out of pits. Simple. Its annoying, but that is all.

Matthew77258
Al don't commit

AI will always be AI. This means no matter how much they program the AI to be real, it will still feel fake in given situations. To be fair to CM, this is pretty good AI. I enjoy racing the AI in this game. Passing lapped cars can get interesting, but its a small issue for me. Could any one else make better AI?

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Terrible penalty system

Agree its not that great. Personally though, I haven't had any issues with it. Maybe because I don't play online or do the time trials.

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Co-op is broken

Never played it. Wouldn't know.

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Safety car is terrible

Only had safety car a few times and didn't have any trouble.

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Ghosting in single player

Haven't used the ghost car. Don't do time trial or time attack.

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Tyre wear scripted

Maybe. I seem to get different tyre wear with different setups though. May not be a huge difference, but I do seem to see differences.

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Bad framerate on PS3

Agree, but play on PC now so no framerate issues.

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Can Corrupt game save.

Never had one. Back up save files will fix this anyway. Everyone should be doing this. Unless its not possible on consoles. Didn't play it long enough on ps3 to find out.

This is just my experience with the game. Not saying anyone is not having issues, I just haven't had as many. I've only come across the tyre bug and the occasional AI quirks(mainly when lapping cars). I knew the ps3 version was sub-par when I first played it and not long after that I got the PC version. Knew CM wasn't going to be able to fix the framerate or the graphics on the ps3. There's many things that cannot be fixed in patches and pretty sure these two would be hard if not near impossible without causing more issues.

Also, how does anyone know another company/developer could make a better F1 game? Once again, CM just need to get those glitches minimized and it would be a great game instead of a good game.
 
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Are we forgetting about PD?

Then we'd be forgetting about the increased sales of going multiplatform as opposed to exclusively one platform.


But maybe If they have a non-exclusive deal that includes multiple developers like NASCAR did, then perhaps the competition would actually push for better games.
 
For both my friend and I, the career modes, both single player and coop, experience the save game bug. We have tried all the work arounds, but by the 4th or 5th race of the first season, our save games are corrupted. Obviously, this makes these 2 modes useless. This seems to have been a bug in 2010 also.

Then they actually introduced new bugs with the 2nd patch that hit everyone. While not fixing many things listed on the release notes.

I understand the pressure of making a release date, but fix what is broken before trying to add new stuff that is not required. They obviously need more or better coding staff, they can't handle a game like this with what they have.
 
No, but if we wanted F1 2013 from PD, they would have had to start it 3 years ago.

To be fair it took Codemasters almost 3 years to make F1 2010 :)

I wouldn't want PD to make an F1 game. The physics are more suited to road cars and closed wheel racers. Something just doesn't feel quite right when driving the F1 cars in GT5. Plus, look what they have done with SuperGT, NASCAR and WRC, aside from the cars and the odd couple of tracks they fail to portray those events in the game as they are in real life. There would be no KERS, no DRS, no testing/practice, no qualifying etc.
 
No surprise really, codies support once the game is realised is awful F1/Dirt/Grid/Operation Flash Point all were released unfinished and the lack of patches to fix them suck.

I won't be buying F1 2012.
 
Obviously the save bug doesn't affect everyone. Other than that,i really do like the game. I haven't tried online because I wanted to get good in single player or coop. I'd rather clip ai than another player.

The fact that the save bug seems to have carried over from f1 2010 is what really bothers me. The tire bug being introduced in the last patch is worse in a way because it seems to hit everyone. This makes me question their QA/ testing.
 
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