No Weekly Patch? No Monthly Patch Now Either?

[j8mie]

I know it's frustrating waiting for future updates when they have been promised to us, but at the end of the day we should be thankful they have given us anything for free so far. I know the game is far from perfect, and the new feedback forum is clearly showing PD what we would like in future improvements, but we still shouldn't take these as a given.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

But the game design is a part of a game, where you can ask for improvement but as a decision of the game developers, it also could be as is it, because it isn´t comparable with a bug. When they made the decision, you can love it or hate it and HOPE for an imrovement or a re-design in next title.

Other than that bugs are mistakes, which should be fixed as a matter of course.

And there is my difference.

When I buy a game, I play it and ask for updates, because a feature has mistakes and does not work correctly. But I don´t write a letter to the developer and ask for a patch with re-design of the game because the actual one is ********. It is a part, which I need to accept or hate.

This forum transformed into an ask for a new game and not for bug-fixing anymore.

While this is a very interesting point, I will stress that consumer critism is indeed extremely valuable to gaming producers - as it should be in any market. Remember, the customer is always right.

Polyphony's goal is to raise the bar, to be the absolute best. Gran Turismo is a very important Sony exclusive that has ability to really push the brand. Throughout the series PD has done so well that they've seemed almost limitless in their capability. They wouldn't be where they are today, if it wasn't for us and our input.

Sony exlusives do well, this can only equal profit. 3D TVs, PS3 eye, HDMI capables, maybe another controller or racing wheel, GT5 PS3 packages, maybe it could even translate to PSP sales.

Game design is something that is up for scrutiny and there are plenty of examples of game producers completely changing everything to meet the demands of people who want their product. GT5 needs to be one of them with an update.

 

[ikarys]

The thing that irks me is, if GT5 was just GT4 with a graphics update and multiplayer I would still be playing it because I would have a lot of events to do.

Having such a big drop in content is a terrible thing for a popular franchise release.

 

[grrlpurple]

I know it's frustrating waiting for future updates when they have been promised to us, but at the end of the day we should be thankful they have given us anything for free so far. I know the game is far from perfect, and the new feedback forum is clearly showing PD what we would like in future improvements, but we still shouldn't take these as a given.

Please excuse my ignorance here - I have definitely missed something...
but where is this official feedback forum?

 

[Big Ron]

Please excuse my ignorance here - I have definitely missed something...
but where is this official feedback forum?

Hehe...very good point.

I handle it the following way: if I am interested in a game, I inform myself about it, wait for magazine reviews and customer reviews.

When I am happy, I buy it or even rent it for a day to play it for a preview....or I do not buy it in any way.

Most of the Gran Turismo users are "blind buyers".

And when blind buyers start to complain about a game, that sth. isn´t to their liking it starts to get funny.

Wishes and improvment proposals are always right and a good way to help developers.

But as nobody really knows, if PD reads this threads and how often they do, you should stay on ground and keep realistic with you "improvement proposals" and concentrate on advices about features, which already excist.

 

[leper-messiah]

we already got several big updates and weekly free content in seasonal events, give me a break. betetr support then 95% of devs out there,

 

[marshy10156]

we already got several big updates and weekly free content in seasonal events, give me a break. betetr support then 95% of devs out there,

Just look at EA and their FIFA franchise. I've bought the the last 4 in a row. The past 2 years they have been awefully buggy to the point where it has destroyed (corrupted) my friend's PS3's & Xbox's alike. Where you cant even finish a season as data is just too corrupted. On EA forums, direct links from their Dev teams would constantly tell us the patches they would be bringing out, would revolutionise the game and completely fix it and also make a few updates/changes to game layout etc.

Both years, after the release of the patch each time there has been outcry on the Forums as they did NOTHING close to what they said they would, just papered over a few cracks (which you could tell after 5 mins. of testing) and then ignored the forums till the next FIFA was released where the exactly same situation happened all over again.

Needless to say i won't be buying FIFA 12 (more than contempt with GT5 )

 

[Luminis]

But the game design is a part of a game, where you can ask for improvement but as a decision of the game developers, it also could be as is it, because it isn´t comparable with a bug. When they made the decision, you can love it or hate it and HOPE for an imrovement or a re-design in next title.

A decision that has been made regarding the game's design can be utter rubbish and easy to fix. Doing so can improve the gaming experience trmendously. This, obviously, is not much different froma bug.

I'll use the wheel selection as an example again. Whether the limited selection per car is by choice or a mistake has no bearing on the following:
It's something that could be fixed and would change the game for the better.
It's a design decision, yes, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be altered/improved in response to the feedback the developer gets.

as another example: Look at Blizzard's StarCraft II. The way the units are balanced and designed in the game is a design decision, yet, it's changed on a regular basis to improve the game.
See, a bug can be harder to fix than that. Same with the leveling system. After seeing what they can do with the seasonal events, I see no reason to not just add a few 'normal' races that add little a decent chunk of XP so you can actually level up faster.

Other than that bugs are mistakes, which should be fixed as a matter of course.

Looking at the level system, that can't be anything else but a mistake. Seriously. Much like a bug, it probably results from PD not properly palying their own game. Read: A lack of QA.

And there is my difference.

When I buy a game, I play it and ask for updates, because a feature has mistakes and does not work correctly. But I don´t write a letter to the developer and ask for a patch with re-design of the game because the actual one is ********. It is a part, which I need to accept or hate.

This forum transformed into an ask for a new game and not for bug-fixing anymore.

Given the amount of missed oppurtunities, strange/horrible design decision, lack of consitency and features and overall lack of polish, what do you expect?
And, personally, I won't just shut up and bend over. I'm gonna voice my opinion whenever I feel like. It may not change anything, but it's not gonne hurt, either. Well, it may bother some people if someone 'attacks' their pet franchise, but that doesn't concern me, at all.

Hehe...very good point.

I handle it the following way: if I am interested in a game, I inform myself about it, wait for magazine reviews and customer reviews.

Well, have a look at most of the reviews about GT5 and tell me they're in-deapth enough to actually asses what the game really is like. And keep in mind that a lot of them weren't available at GT5's launch.

we already got several big updates and weekly free content in seasonal events, give me a break. betetr support then 95% of devs out there,

And that makes it 'good'? Seriously, does it make any game good if it gets more support than your usual 'fire and forget' Wii party game?

Just because PD isn't a second EA doesn't mean they're somehow free from criticism.

Either way, as long as there's enough people around who have that 'shut up and take it' mentality, there's isn't even any need for developers to deliver a quality product.
See, even after knowing all the wrongs with GT5, I'd probably still buy it. Not at release, probably. But still. That absolutely doesn't mean I'm content enough with it to not criticise it.

Just another concept people seem to regularily forget around here: You can like a product enough to buy it and deem it to be worth the money you paid for it and still criticise it for whatever flaws it may have.
It's not just black and white, it's not just 'like it and shut up' or 'leave it'. There's a ton of shades of grey in between, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm somewhere halfway between black and white. And I kinda like it like that.

 

[jimy281090]

Grateful? For getting an unfinished game and then been slowly drip fed patches for the next couple of years? And then now news about a patch for B-Bloody Spec? Yeah im ever so grateful

Could of swore i read they would be fixing this game weekly?

Edit: after reading rest of the thread i was right.

Ok then.. so you would be happy with

"New Version update 1.xx" Every time you sign into GT5? no i didnt thinkso!
If you actually considered what work goes into patching up a game as big as gran turismo then yeah.. you'd actualy realise you wont get an update every week or consistantly every month! it's just far too much!. you need to wait and see how the game is running and have feedback on what has been rectified on the previous then update the software one you have you're information

 

[Slime718]

I want patch to fully customize gear ratio is it so hard

 

[Big Ron]

A decision that has been made regarding the game's design can be utter rubbish and easy to fix. Doing so can improve the gaming experience trmendously. This, obviously, is not much different froma bug.

I'll use the wheel selection as an example again. Whether the limited selection per car is by choice or a mistake has no bearing on the following:
It's something that could be fixed and would change the game for the better.
It's a design decision, yes, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be altered/improved in response to the feedback the developer gets.

as another example: Look at Blizzard's StarCraft II. The way the units are balanced and designed in the game is a design decision, yet, it's changed on a regular basis to improve the game.
See, a bug can be harder to fix than that. Same with the leveling system. After seeing what they can do with the seasonal events, I see no reason to not just add a few 'normal' races that add little a decent chunk of XP so you can actually level up faster.


Looking at the level system, that can't be anything else but a mistake. Seriously. Much like a bug, it probably results from PD not properly palying their own game. Read: A lack of QA.



Given the amount of missed oppurtunities, strange/horrible design decision, lack of consitency and features and overall lack of polish, what do you expect?
And, personally, I won't just shut up and bend over. I'm gonna voice my opinion whenever I feel like. It may not change anything, but it's not gonne hurt, either. Well, it may bother some people if someone 'attacks' their pet franchise, but that doesn't concern me, at all.

Well, have a look at most of the reviews about GT5 and tell me they're in-deapth enough to actually asses what the game really is like. And keep in mind that a lot of them weren't available at GT5's launch.


And that makes it 'good'? Seriously, does it make any game good if it gets more support than your usual 'fire and forget' Wii party game?

Just because PD isn't a second EA doesn't mean they're somehow free from criticism.

Either way, as long as there's enough people around who have that 'shut up and take it' mentality, there's isn't even any need for developers to deliver a quality product.
See, even after knowing all the wrongs with GT5, I'd probably still buy it. Not at release, probably. But still. That absolutely doesn't mean I'm content enough with it to not criticise it.

Just another concept people seem to regularily forget around here: You can like a product enough to buy it and deem it to be worth the money you paid for it and still criticise it for whatever flaws it may have.
It's not just black and white, it's not just 'like it and shut up' or 'leave it'. There's a ton of shades of grey in between, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm somewhere halfway between black and white. And I kinda like it like that.

In my opinion, you are one of the users which will never like GT5 like it is and will never really satisfied even when there come out a hundret of updates.

I am not satisfied, too. But I play the game just once a week and wait, how it develops in future.

But I am not one of the users which try to forward their wishes and suggestions for improvements by any means to PD.

Maybe because I am a realist and know, how developers work (or how long they feature their previous titles).

 

[Luminis]

In my opinion, you are one of the users which will never like GT5 like it is and will never really satisfied even when there come out a hundret of updates.

I am not satisfied, too. But I play the game just once a week and wait, how it develops in future.

But I am not one of the users which try to forward their wishes and suggestions for improvements by any means to PD.

Maybe because I am a realist and know, how developers work (or how long they feature their previous titles).

Well, I'm obviously playing the game quite a bit myself, enough to keep it in my PS3, enough to log on to GTPlanet on a regular basis, enough to take a few pictures every now and then to keep my photomode gallery up to date.
In case you missed the point before: I do like the game. Nevertheless, I can still criticise it. And I don't need to be 100% satisfied to like it.

And, personally, I don't see any merrit of not voicing your opinion about the negative aspects for whatever reason. Might be due to the fact that the company I'm working at emphasises feedback as much as it does. However, as far as I'm concerned, being passive and just taking whatever you get isn't a good thing to do, ever.

Hey, if that floats your boat, fine. You should note, though, that different developers tend to react differently to criticism and feedback.

 

[leper-messiah]

A decision that has been made regarding the game's design can be utter rubbish and easy to fix. Doing so can improve the gaming experience trmendously. This, obviously, is not much different froma bug.

I'll use the wheel selection as an example again. Whether the limited selection per car is by choice or a mistake has no bearing on the following:
It's something that could be fixed and would change the game for the better.
It's a design decision, yes, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be altered/improved in response to the feedback the developer gets.

as another example: Look at Blizzard's StarCraft II. The way the units are balanced and designed in the game is a design decision, yet, it's changed on a regular basis to improve the game.
See, a bug can be harder to fix than that. Same with the leveling system. After seeing what they can do with the seasonal events, I see no reason to not just add a few 'normal' races that add little a decent chunk of XP so you can actually level up faster.


Looking at the level system, that can't be anything else but a mistake. Seriously. Much like a bug, it probably results from PD not properly palying their own game. Read: A lack of QA.



Given the amount of missed oppurtunities, strange/horrible design decision, lack of consitency and features and overall lack of polish, what do you expect?
And, personally, I won't just shut up and bend over. I'm gonna voice my opinion whenever I feel like. It may not change anything, but it's not gonne hurt, either. Well, it may bother some people if someone 'attacks' their pet franchise, but that doesn't concern me, at all.

Well, have a look at most of the reviews about GT5 and tell me they're in-deapth enough to actually asses what the game really is like. And keep in mind that a lot of them weren't available at GT5's launch.


And that makes it 'good'? Seriously, does it make any game good if it gets more support than your usual 'fire and forget' Wii party game?

Just because PD isn't a second EA doesn't mean they're somehow free from criticism.

Either way, as long as there's enough people around who have that 'shut up and take it' mentality, there's isn't even any need for developers to deliver a quality product.
See, even after knowing all the wrongs with GT5, I'd probably still buy it. Not at release, probably. But still. That absolutely doesn't mean I'm content enough with it to not criticise it.

Just another concept people seem to regularily forget around here: You can like a product enough to buy it and deem it to be worth the money you paid for it and still criticise it for whatever flaws it may have.
It's not just black and white, it's not just 'like it and shut up' or 'leave it'. There's a ton of shades of grey in between, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm somewhere halfway between black and white. And I kinda like it like that.

HUH? over react much, yes it IS a good game not perfect. The OP's thread was about updates, and complaning about waiting for them when we get weekly free content and had 4 updates already, nothing I said was abotu the agme quality. Which is good with imperfections obviously. Whining on a forum because YOU think its not good doesnt make it so.

Your opinion is not fact, the game has some bad decisions, poor design, but it still is GOOD to transcend its issues.

 

[Luminis]

Your opinion is not fact, the game has some bad decisions, poor design, but it still is GOOD to transcend its issues.

Uhm, what? As I said numerous times by now, I aknowledge it as a good game. And since it is evediently being worked on, there's no need to look past issues that might eventually get fixed.

If PD stops updating the game, that's when looking past all of it's flaws becomes the way to go. Until that happens, might as well post criticism.

 

[RODDUZ]

Like I say. In the 6 years of making it they were smashing a lot of drugs down their necks. Must have been to think this game was acceptable. So now they're probably on a massive 'come down' and will take them a while before they can release any patch. And when they do it'll be for that 'amazing' (sarcasm) invention anywhere or whatever it's called. Haha, you have to laugh! Seriously!

 

[leper-messiah]

Like I say. In the 6 years of making it they were smashing a lot of drugs down their necks. Must have been to think this game was acceptable. So now they're probably on a massive 'come down' and will take them a while before they can release any patch. And when they do it'll be for that 'amazing' (sarcasm) invention anywhere or whatever it's called. Haha, you have to laugh! Seriously!

Someone ban this troll already, no need for this childish nonsense here.

 

[RODDUZ]

Someone ban this troll already, no need for this childish nonsense here.

Not trolling at all. I use this sites for lots of reasons. If I have an opinion about this game I'm entitled to speak it.

 

[leper-messiah]

Not trolling at all. I use this sites for lots of reasons. If I have an opinion about this game I'm entitled to speak it.

Saying the devs are on drugs and bashing (not constructive criticism) and posting like a kid in several threads (your first already got closed), is trolling.

 

[RODDUZ]

Saying the devs are on drugs and bashing (not constructive criticism) and posting like a kid in several threads (your first already got closed), is trolling.

Point taken, it's obvious it's just a joke. I don't really think they're on drugs do I lol

 

[ultraman]

Well... If Forza 3 can give you Car and track packs every month, sometimes earlier for over a year. Then a free new car a month, not including the unicorn cars, seasonal cars and highlight cars, well We should expect updates on a routine schedule. This is why P.D. has all the delays and when they want to attitude. We buy the game. We make it a success. You have a voice, use it. if a guy wants to know why the patches/updates aren't there, he should be able to get an answer that's definite, not speculative. When Forza released the new platinum edition with cars you can only get when you buy the new game, the community went crazy. Turn 10 listened , and now that car pack is coming and they released a new car pack in the meantime. The one area where Forza kills GT5 is the community, they listen. I.ve read both posts by both guys, but I'm riding with Devedander, You just can't argue valid points.

 

[leper-messiah]

Well... If Forza 3 can give you Car and track packs every month, sometimes earlier for over a year. Then a free new car a month, not including the unicorn cars, seasonal cars and highlight cars, well We should expect updates on a routine schedule. This is why P.D. has all the delays and when they want to attitude. We buy the game. We make it a success. You have a voice, use it. if a guy wants to know why the patches/updates aren't there, he should be able to get an answer that's definite, not speculative. When Forza released the new platinum edition with cars you can only get when you buy the new game, the community went crazy. Turn 10 listened , and now that car pack is coming and they released a new car pack in the meantime. The one area where Forza kills GT5 is the community, they listen. I.ve read both posts by both guys, but I'm riding with Devedander, You just can't argue valid points.

Absolute BULL, Forza has been out for over 1.5 years, Gt5 just 2 months, it took a long time for forza to get those updates, we already get FREE events every week. Forza you had to pay for most cars, content.

At the end of the day Gt5 driving physics crap all over forza, most would take that or free events every week over a free car a month.

Forza is an arcade game with shoddy wheel support, its a game for arcade racers with a controller. A free car a month ain't changing that. Its a game arcade gamers play to make them self think they are playing sim.

 

[andy63]

Absolute BULL, Forza has been out for over 1.5 years, Gt5 just 2 months, it took a long time for forza to get those updates, we already get FREE events every week. Forza you had to pay for most cars, content.

At the end of the day Gt5 driving physics crap all over forza, most would take that or free events every week over a free car a month.

Forza is an arcade game with shoddy wheel support, its a game for arcade racers with a controller. A free car a month ain't changing that. Its a game arcade gamers play to make them self think they are playing sim.

👍

 

[CasperN]

Absolute BULL, Forza has been out for over 1.5 years, Gt5 just 2 months, it took a long time for forza to get those updates, we already get FREE events every week. Forza you had to pay for most cars, content.

At the end of the day Gt5 driving physics crap all over forza, most would take that or free events every week over a free car a month.

Forza is an arcade game with shoddy wheel support, its a game for arcade racers with a controller. A free car a month ain't changing that. Its a game arcade gamers play to make them self think they are playing sim.

You sound like such an ignoranus. "Its a game arcade gamers play to make them self think they are playing sim." Have you tried playing Forza yourself before making these statements? I've played Forza and it's a great game, I can argue that it's better in every aspect besides the physics and graphics, but it's not even that far from GT5's.

GT series really needs to listen to the fans and get up to date with what other racing sims are doing and learn from them. Customizability is huge for the new generation of gamers. Most of which were not old enough to play the original GT series in it's early years. Don't kid yourselves guys, GT5 is far behind in the racing game genre.

 

[leper-messiah]

I own a 360 , feel free to add me if you wish, so yes i have play forza, and you arguing doesnt make it so. forza does some things better, Gt5 does things better where it matters most.

I sound like an ignoramous because i don't agree with you? How old are you?

Gt5 is so far behind nothing on console still can touch its physics, realism.................... its behind in some areas, yup, forza is not perfect either.

nothing you say changes the fact you were FLAt wrong with regards to all the so called content forza got, yeah if you paid for it, and the game has been out for 1.5 years.

How can u say Pd hasn't listened, game is only 2 months old and they have already addressed some of the big com,plaints people had, and more is to come. When gt5 hits 1.5 years old then we can compare eh?

 

[CasperN]

GT5 has been in development for how long? The past 5 years? It's fallen short of most people's expectations on the forum. You can't deny that, look at all the threads that rant about the game, really makes you think what they've been doing all these years.

The Forza franchise is still fairly young, but they've already accomplished just as much as GT5 has. I wouldn't be surprised if Forza 4 blows GT5 away, but only time will tell.

Regarding the downloadable content, that's another thing GT5 is missing. Sure there were those xmas cars, but they were Japan only. Another let down for a large amount of the fan base. I'm also sure most of us would not mind paying money for a car or course and in fact I think most of us would love that feature. Stop relying on the fact that if you have to pay for content it deems a game bad, it really isn't. It keeps the game fresh and allows the gamers to try new things without paying $60+ for a new game.

 

[leper-messiah]

GT5 has been in development for how long? The past 5 years? It's fallen short of most people's expectations on the forum. You can't deny that, look at all the threads that rant about the game, really makes you think what they've been doing all these years.

The Forza franchise is still fairly young, but they've already accomplished just as much as GT5 has. I wouldn't be surprised if Forza 4 blows GT5 away, but only time will tell.

Regarding the downloadable content, that's another thing GT5 is missing. Sure there were those xmas cars, but they were Japan only. Another let down for a large amount of the fan base. I'm also sure most of us would not mind paying money for a car or course and in fact I think most of us would love that feature. Stop relying on the fact that if you have to pay for content it deems a game bad, it really isn't. It keeps the game fresh and allows the gamers to try new things without paying $60+ for a new game.

Again your comparing DLC for a 2 year old game to a 2 month old game. What part of that even makes sense? DLC will be coming. People are disappointed yes, but that doesn't mean its worse then forza, forza has much lower expectations. Did you forget free content every week? Forza doesnt have that.

How did they accomplish more then Gt? Gt set the standard, and still is the best sim, both forza 2 and 3 combined wont sell what Gt5 will, don't think Gt has much to worry about.

 

[Sele1981]

Absolute BULL, Forza has been out for over 1.5 years, Gt5 just 2 months, it took a long time for forza to get those updates, we already get FREE events every week. Forza you had to pay for most cars, content.

At the end of the day Gt5 driving physics crap all over forza, most would take that or free events every week over a free car a month.

Forza is an arcade game with shoddy wheel support, its a game for arcade racers with a controller. A free car a month ain't changing that. Its a game arcade gamers play to make them self think they are playing sim.

Well, the weekly events are really crap and not fun... It only helps you to make money...

I´ll prefer to have 1 free car (and 9 for money) monthly than in PD speed, 5 cars all 6 months...

And even though FM3 has really arcade physics and even though I´ve said a many times that FM3 has an boring career mode, I´ve had more challenging and fun races in FM3 than in GT5 . The AI was really hard to beat in some races and you have to choose a car in an class with max hp and you can´t choose an X2010 in an 50hp race...

The A-Spec is really an epic fail, never seen such an unbalanced career mode... Look at the AMG driving school, that is an really epic mode of GT5 and so much fun!

Unfortunately so it was in GT4 too, A-Spec was such an BS but the Missions and the License tests were great...

 

[leper-messiah]

Well, the weekly events are really crap and not fun... It only helps you to make money...

I´ll prefer to have 1 free car (and 9 for money) monthly than in PD speed, 5 cars all 6 months...

And even though FM3 has really arcade physics and even though I´ve said a many times that FM3 has an boring career mode, I´ve had more challenging and fun races in FM3 than in GT5 . The AI was really hard to beat in some races and you have to choose a car in an class with max hp and you can´t choose an X2010 in an 50hp race...

The A-Spec is really an epic fail, never seen such an unbalanced career mode... Look at the AMG driving school, that is an really epic mode of GT5 and so much fun!

Unfortunately so it was in GT4 too, A-Spec was such an BS but the Missions and the License tests were great...

Oh so you say weekly events are crap and not sun must be so. Most find them to be the best events for gt5, irrelevant point. Again, gt5 has been out 2 months, DLC will come. Apples and orange, not rocket science. forza is close to 2 years old, it never had DLC first month either.

YOU don't like this and that, many do, whats your point? When forza becomes a sim let me know.

froza had to have more car DLC, it has what 400 cars? Gt5 has 1000.

 

[Sele1981]

The first 2 seasonal events were great!! You´ve had an hp and an tyre limit! The races were really hard to beat and it was really fun! You´ve had to try 10 maybe 20 times to get the first place...

And now again, same BS as A-Spec... Tune your car to the limit and win... I try to race with stock cars but even then it´s mostly easy again...

 

[leper-messiah]

The first 2 seasonal events were great!! You´ve had an hp and an tyre limit! The races were really hard to beat and it was really fun! You´ve had to try 10 maybe 20 times to get the first place...

And now again, same BS as A-Spec... Tune your car to the limit and win... I try to race with stock cars but even then it´s mostly easy again...

No one forces you to tune your car to be over powered, how is that different? Cant control yourself?