Noob question: tuning for dummies guide?

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Basically, I just want a simple guide that explains every setting like I'm 5. I understand how to use the dummy slider on a transmission and how to use the adjustable LSD. I understand a few parts of the suspension but I want to learn more. Specifically, I want to learn how to diagnose problems and get an idea of how to fix them. I mean, I have no clue what to do with the dampers or the toe angle, but I want to learn it better than the GT5 help file describes it.
 
I see that this is your first post on GT Planet. Welcome. What you are looking for is in the sticky threads at the top of the tuning forum. Many, many guides up there for the beginner. What you will find is that tuning is more difficult than you think. There are many different ways to make cars go fast and a bit of it requires learning what works for your controller and driving style.
 
Yea, I read through some of em, and a few of em helped a lot, especially the LSD ones that you wrote, iirc. And, that's why I liked em, because it's like if you're experiencing oversteer, crank this slider this way. And it worked, for the most part. But, I didn't see a Dummies Guide to Tuning anywhere, and that's kinda what I need. A lot of the guides seem to assume I already know what some of this stuff means, and I understand what dampers are doing for example, I just don't know how to diagnose it, and am not sure if the numbers in the game are arbitrary or not...
 
But, I didn't see a Dummies Guide to Tuning anywhere, and that's kinda what I need. A lot of the guides seem to assume I already know what some of this stuff means, and I understand what dampers are doing for example, I just don't know how to diagnose it, and am not sure if the numbers in the game are arbitrary or not...

Have you been to my garage? Link below. I have written a tuner's guide for the beginner.
 
Yep, start there. :D Also, Scaff has a guide linked up there in the stickies somewhere that goes pretty in depth about what is doing what. It was written for GT4 for the general knowledge still applies since physics doesn't change out in the real world. :p

From personal experience, it is going to be a lot of reading and a lot of trial and error to get started. IMO, start with a simple FR car to test your knowledge. I liked the C3 Vette as a starter and I still think it is one of my best "dialed in" cars...for myself anyway. If you have something you are already working on feel free to post it and we'll see how we can help you tweak it. 👍
 
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Have you been to my garage? Link below. I have written a tuner's guide for the beginner.

Sadly, on the iPhone there's no signature showing your garage, but I'll hop on a computer and poke around for it. Thanks!
 
I've read all the stuff listed above. That's the beginning of how to tune and it's all very useful information compiled by guys who have nothing to gain but the satisfaction of sharing their accumulated knowledge about the game. Without them, and without the recurring arguments and discussions about tuning that pop up frequently, most of us would be in a tuning fog, me included. Settle in for lots of reading, take some notes or print some of it off. You have to then take that information, take a car to the track, and spend time making adjustments and see what happens.

I would suggest three ways to do this. Take a car you like that's already a good handling car and not too overpowered so you aren't worried about constantly maintaining control. I'd suggest 450-500pp on sports tires to begin with. The RX-8 Type S 07' is a good car for this and in fact, I'd start with one that is already well tuned so you can get an idea of the range of settings on a car that makes it work well. I believe it's easier to start with something good and then move away from it in one direction or another, rather than starting from scratch and trying to make something work. Remember, at this point you're simply trying to figure out what every setting does, not trying to tune a whole car.

Make one adjustment at a time to it and take it out on the track. Write down what effect it seems to have. Back to the pits, readjust the same setting or reset that adjustment and move on to something else, and make another adjustment. Don't be afraid to make some leaps here. You don't have to take the suspension stiffness from 9.8 to 9.7 to 9.6. It's ok to go from 9to 8 to 7.

If you really want to learn about tuning, it takes time, a lot of time. Not trying to scare you but we're talking hundreds and hundreds of laps of testing before you really begin to get a feel for it. Then when you think you've got a feel and you're all cool, you'll find someone else's tune for a car, drive it, figure out yours is crap and realize you've just scratched the surface and aren't as good as you think you are.

Second thing to do is to begin tuning cars. Once you get a feel for how the adjustments work, take some cars that you like to drive and begin tuning. I suggest a couple of different tracks, one relatively flat like Monza or Road Course Indy or Tsukuba and one hilly with varied camber like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain. Tune for the flat courses first as it's easier, then come to the bumpy/hilly course and make adjustments if necessary. Finding something that is good on both is tricky and often serious racers/tuners will have different tunes for each kind of track.

Third thing I'd do is enter a tuning competition. There is always at least one F.I.T.T. contest going on at some point and others appear to be popping up here and there. It will cause you to intensely focus on one car/track/tire combination, and testing various cars to see which one you like. Then it's trial by fire, meaning, can anyone else drive your tunes, or are they suited to your driving style. Their feedback is one of your best tools. 10-15 people or more will scrutinize your tune and some may love it and some may hate it, but you will learn something no matter what the outcome.
 
Also: after you have tuned a car have someone else drive it and give you feedback. Some of us testers give more feedback than others but any constructive feedback is usually good.
 
Thanks, all of you! It's great advice, and I've been doing nothing but reading and trying stuff out. Right now I've got my GNX going for a silly drift tune, but in a sec I'm pulling up my Honda Beat for the time trials.

I guess what I really want to know is how do I decide to change my spring rate or damper settings. Hami's guide is pretty definitive, but I just can't figure that one out. I can understand over/under steer pretty well, diagnosing and fixing that problem isn't too hard. And I understand downforce, brake balance and a few other things, but i just don't know how to figure out if my damper/spring settings are good or bad, especially when they're stock.
 
I rarely use dampers for tuning the car. Most of the grip tuning is with the springs, ARB's, toe and camber, and ride height differential if necessary. For street cars most of my settings are in the 4-7 range. Lower settings for bumpy or hilly tracks, higher settings for flatter tracks.

You can figure this out by taking your favourite street ride around Deep Forest. Try a few laps at say 7 or 8 on both dampers and see how the car feels. Try a few laps at 3 or 4 and see how the car feels. It should be a little more planted and jerk around a little less over the curbs and bumpy sections but be a little less responsive to steering input.
 
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