Now that we've seen the Tourist Trophy video...

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...I've got a big question for PD.

If the bikes can do a wheelstand under power, why don't the cars lift a wheel except for bumps and jumps?!

Even leaving bluesky launches out of it (they take huge amounts of power and even more traction), any decent RWD production-based competition car should lift its inside front hoof when you're getting the power down on corner exit. And any good FWD competition car should pick up its inside rear wheel as you brake into the corner.

But in GT4 the only way to get a wheel off the ground is to smack it off a curb but good. In Tourist Trophy it seems that you can loft the front of the bike at will with a downshift and a good jab of the throttle.

What's the deal, PD?
 
I remeber a thread a while back where i raised a simliar question Look who replied. I would love to see the inside wheels or front wheels get a bit of air after a hard lanch or fast turn.

With stiff suspension and chassies there is no reason why it shouldnt happen. Id also like to see the front splitters scraping the road under hard braking or hitting the camber of the road.

I echo, what is the deal PD?
 
I'd say that the bikes doing wheelies under power is included because:

1) it's a new game.
2) if the two games did come out at the same time it'd be more important simulator-wise to have bikes get a wheel off the ground than a car.
 
luftrofl
I'd say that the bikes doing wheelies under power is included because:

1) it's a new game.
2) if the two games did come out at the same time it'd be more important simulator-wise to have bikes get a wheel off the ground than a car.
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I tend to agree.

But it's still frustrating driving a beam axle'd FF car and not getting that inside rear up in the air. :(
 
niky
I tend to agree.

But it's still frustrating driving a beam axle'd FF car and not getting that inside rear up in the air. :(
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I dont understand why you guys want to see wheels not making contact with the ground. :indiff: Does this mean you want to have less traction while racing? I dont see professional racers complain about that their car cannot lift a wheel off the ground. :indiff:
 
In a production-based car on race rubber, if you're not lifting the inside front (RWD) or inside rear (FWD), you're not getting the power or the braking down hard enough.
 
Small_Fryz
... With stiff suspension and chassies there is no reason why it shouldnt happen. Id also like to see the front splitters scraping the road under hard braking or hitting the camber of the road. ...
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That's the most important bit - stiff suspension and chassis.

My mates Laser is so stiff it lifts a rear wheel just entering and exiting driveways... :crazy:

It seems PD have reflected the stiff suspension through the car physics (ie: when you stiffen the suspension it effects the way the car handles) but they haven't stretched it to make the suspension have less travel. As such it's impossible to lift a wheel through cornering, as there is always enough travel to leave it on the ground.

KiwiBoy
I dont understand why you guys want to see wheels not making contact with the ground. Does this mean you want to have less traction while racing? ...
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There's no los of traction between the moment the wheel is about to leave the ground and when it departs. (Well, no measurable amount anyway.) For the wheel to leave the ground, it's so unloaded that it has no grip anyway, so even if it's right at the point where it's about to lift off, this wheel's grip level has no effect on the car - the contact patch is tiny and there is zero weight holding it to the ground. Cars will not go faster by leaving one wheel on the ground.
 
I get insane weight-transfer under accelleration from my Charger, but no lift off the ground. Theoretically, with 812 lbft and that great of a launch, my rear bumper should scrape the ground.

Small_Fryz
I echo, what is the deal PD?
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ferrari_chris
It seems PD have reflected the stiff suspension through the car physics (ie: when you stiffen the suspension it effects the way the car handles) but they haven't stretched it to make the suspension have less travel. As such it's impossible to lift a wheel through cornering, as there is always enough travel to leave it on the ground.
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That makes sense, thanks.
All this discussion reminds me of this thread. I thought somebody got a wheel up in there, but seeing the pictures again, they might not have.
 
You can only pop a wheel in the air when coming sideways off a kerb. Otherwise, they don't leave the ground.

As for WHY you'd want the wheels to leave the ground. It's a matter of realism. Extra visual cues like this make the racing more realistic, and can help to tell you a lot about your suspension tuning that the lack of SOTP (seat-of-the-pants) sensory input leaves out.

Also, it's cool. It happens in real-life. So yes, we want it!
 
I tried for the life of me to get a car to wheelie upon luanching.... with no luck of course...
I got close with an RX-7 but I just dont think it's possible :( (this pic was with only about 350-75 hp plus launching on nitrous set at 100)
It would be sweet if they could put it in and actually be realistic :)


 
GTrackd02
I got close with an RX-7 but I just dont think it's possible.
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I would say that the best candidates for doing wheelies are the Porsche 911s. The engine is located as far to the rear as possible (behind the rear axle) and thus helps lifting the front.

PhM
 
R5Turbo2
I would say that the best candidates for doing wheelies are the Porsche 911s. The engine is located as far to the rear as possible (behind the rear axle) and thus helps lifting the front.

PhM
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There aren't any Porsche's in GT4!

RUF's however are a different story... :)
 
ferrari_chris
There aren't any Porsche's in GT4!
RUF's however are a different story... :)
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RUF's are Porsche based "customs", the architecture is the same, the engine is in the same position. That's why I said "Porsche", it's named RUF only because it's a Porsche that went through the RUF modification process, and that Porsche allows this name to be used instead of Porsche, or that there are some legal reasons that allows this. So strictly speaking you are right there are no Porsches in GT4, my bad.

PhM
 
Ruf's are modified Porsches. That's why there aren't any Ruf LMP's in the game.
 
.Duck.
Ruf's are modified Porsches. That's why there aren't any Ruf LMP's in the game.
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Ruf will modify somones Porsche, but the Ruf's that a biought as Ruf's are not modified Porsches.
 
R5Turbo2
RUF's are Porsche based "customs", the architecture is the same, the engine is in the same position. That's why I said "Porsche", it's named RUF only because it's a Porsche that went through the RUF modification process, and that Porsche allows this name to be used instead of Porsche, or that there are some legal reasons that allows this. So strictly speaking you are right there are no Porsches in GT4, my bad.

PhM
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First off, Ruf's are Porsche based, they are not Porsche's. Porsche don't let Ruf use their name, Ruf use their name because the final product IS an Ruf, not aPorsche. Some of the parts come from Porsche, the engine block, most of the body work and some chassis components but the actual majority of parts are made by Ruf. And yes it's Ruf not RUF, there is also no modification process unless you already own a Porsche and take it to Ruf to tune it. Factory Ruf's are not modified Porsche's.


The way it works, Ruf pruchases certain parts as mentioned above, before they reach the assembly line, none of these parts were ever part of a car, so putting togather new parts that have neverbeen part of a car, means, it's not a modified car. Secondly, the majority of the parts used in construction of an Ruf are manufactured by Ruf, so now you have the manufacturer status covered. I've said this before, but if Ruf didn't use Porsche made bodies there would never be any argument or confusion over what they do. It'd be like saying the Jaguar XJ220 is a Rover Metro 6R4 becase they both use the same engine, theres more in common betwen a SEAT and it's VW badged equivilent than and Ruf and Porsche, but people don't call SEAT VW tuners.
 
live4speed is right; Ruf is officially recognized as an independent car manufacturer by the German government. Manufacturer. Not tuner. This is why Ruf is able to be featured in Gran Turismo, and not Porsche.
 
With you please stop with the stupid RUF vs. Porsche thing? Every time one mentions Porsche, 10 guys jump on it`s head to tell him it`s actually a tuner (RUF), then another 10 people come to demonstrate it`s a Independent manufacturer ...

Every topic with a RUF in it has this constant fight going :(

GEEZ......
 
It's not a fight, Ruf tune Porsches but they manufacture their own cars too, thoes are facts. If someone says they arn'tthen that persons wrong, justlike they would be if they said GT4 has a Ferrari in it and you'd expect people to correct them, correcting people over Ruf is no different. If it was a matter of opinion, then it would be wrong to tellpeople they are wrong, but this is far froma matter of opinion. Adios.
 
... even fighting about if its fight or not, yea some things in life were never meant to work out
 
Its like the shelby cobras and the triumph racecars. They look very similar but are not. The engine is the same though i think.
 
Or like how a Lancia Stratos and Ferrari Dino are obviously the exact same car because of engines. live4speed is right though. The only reason anyone even can call a RUF (or Ruf or whatever) a Porsche is because they usually look close enough that you would have to see side by side them to tell the difference.
Back to the actual topic though, it is true. Many of the FF cars (and a couple in particular: Peugeot 106, Golf GTi '76) should raise the inside rear when powering out of turns. I didn't know the inside front also did it on FR cars, but it does make sense that it should.
 
Closest Ive come to lifting a wheel



not quite :(.
 
I managed to lift a wheel !!! I'm not joking, picture to follow ;) Toyota 2000GT, Schwedenkreuz, Nürburgring, on N2s....I'm just too lazy to transfer the pic, maybe i'll post it later ;)
 
I haven't been here in a while, and it's kinda an old topic now, but...

Every Ruf car ever "manufactured" came off of the Porsche factory line or was a homologated racecar.

If I'm not mistaken, Aloises Ruf helped design the original 911and other cars, and being a good friend of Ferdinand, was the key figure in Porsche's early competition success. (think 440 and 550)

sup, Live?
 
No, the shared parts came from Porsceh manufacturing plants, they didn't come off the assembly line because they were never assembled when Ruf got them. Also Ruf uses a lot of their own parts in the cars, the bottom line is Ruf are a manufacturer by definition and thats not me deciding that, thats how it is.
 
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