Nurburgring and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution

[KillerBlackbird]

Just wanted to see if there was anyone else who likes this track as much as I do with this car. My best time on this track with this car is about a 6min 45 sec lap time; I could do better depending on my concentration.

I use the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 MR (Carbon Gray) with BBS LM wheels-not that it matters. I will have to post my vehicle settings as soon as I look them up.

I like this course because the narrowness, roughness, and elevation changes make it feel more life like. Anyone else feel the same???

EDIT: here are my setttings.

-2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 MR GSR-

-Stock rear wing
-BBS LM wheels
-Power: 543 BHP @6500 RPM, 472.89 FT.LBS. @3500 RPM

Full Tune; including oil change.

-Exhaust: Racing
-Racing Chip: Sports
-N/A Tuning: None (obviously)
-Tires: Front: Racing super soft R5. Rear: Racing super soft R5
-Nitrous Oxide: Equiped and set at 100 (maximum)
-Turbine Kit: Stage 3 (stage 4 rolls off boost at high RPM)
-Intercooler: Racing
-Brakes: Racing
-Brake Controller: Equiped and set at 4 front and rear
-Suspension: KG/MM: Front: 7.6 Rear: 6.4
Ride Height: 92 front and rear
Shock Bound and Re-Bound: set at 7 front and rear
Camber: Front: negative 2.4 degrees. Rear: negative 1.4 degrees
Toe In/Out: 0 (not needed for high speed stability, causes too much tire wear)
Stabilizers: set at 5 front and rear
-Trasmission: 1st Gear: 2.323
2nd Gear: 1.528
3rd Gear: 1.100
4th Gear: 0.832
5th Gear: 0.661
6th Gear: 0.551
Final Drive: 4.583
-Clutch: Tripple Plate
-Flywheel: Racing
-Carbon Driveshaft: Equiped
-Driving Aids: OFF, none at all, driving aids are for girls.
-Downforce: none (stock rear wing)
-Limited Slip: Full Customize.
Initial Torque: Front: 7. Rear: 10.
Limited Slip Acceleration: Front: 14. Rear: 38.
Limited Slip Deceleration: Front: 5. Rear: 5.
-AYC Controller: None.
-Variable Center Differential: Front Wheel Distribution: 25.
-Ballast: OFF, none at all.
-Stage 3 weight reduction and roll cage installed.

 

[Mad Max 3]

Hey man!! I like the Ring and really like The EVO. What´s your settings because I was driving with EVO 8 RS version - fully tuned with oil change and with wing and also with R5 tyres. But without nitro and the time is - 6:34:081and I have some way for improvment. Use R5 and the time will be much better

 

[KillerBlackbird]

There, added settings...

 

[4DSC]

Not bad, but you could definatly do ALOT better. My white Evo RS with only 498hp and everything else max tuned pulls out a 6:26.. With room for improvement.

 

[Mad Max 3]

Not bad, but you could definatly do ALOT better. My white Evo RS with only 498hp and everything else max tuned pulls out a 6:26.. With room for improvement.

You are defenitelly right, I must play with settings.

 

[4DSC]

You are defenitelly right, I must play with settings.

Few things I recommend when trying to do well at the Ring with an Evo..

1) Make sure you have ample downforce for a stage like the Ring.. You WILL need it.
2) Mess around with the gearing, since you'll want to get the most out of each gear on the straights.
3) Don't make the shock absorbers too strong since there are a bunch of bumps on that track and the wrong one can send you spinning. Also don't drop her as far down as you can. Go low, but not up to a point where your letting too much air build up underneath.
4) Set the differential biased to the rear while still maintaining a bit of front wheel power. You'll want that rear to come out a bit on the high speed corners.
5) A bit of camber never hurt anyone

Oh and last but not least, forcing yourself to get gold on the last S class lisence test at the Ring will teach you how to properly drive it. I thought I knew it all, but once I tried to really learn that course, I realized I wasn't that great. And even after I got the gold, there was still plenty of room for improvement.. The damn replay car did it 6 seconds faster!

 

[Mad Max 3]

I play a bit with gearbox, and in chasis change only ride height to 95mm and susspension to 5,4 / 6,4. The whole thing I´ve done was to have clear lap I mean lap with good breaking points etc. Time is something about 6:27:xx and there´s too much room for improvment, I think it´s not impossible to drive 6:23:xx with good settings.

 

[stig_beater]

My evo 8 mr with R3 front tires and R2 Rears fully modded was able to consistintly lap below 6:25 and my fastest lap was a 6:18.5 on those tires fully modded with downforce!

 

[4DSC]

My evo 8 mr with R3 front tires and R2 Rears fully modded was able to consistintly lap below 6:25 and my fastest lap was a 6:18.5 on those tires fully modded with downforce!

Lemme fully modify my RS and blow you away!

 

[stig_beater]

Go for it buddy! I wasn't trying to brag about anything or challenge anyone. Just telling people what I got. Don't be a hot head. Besides if you can beat that time significantly on those same tires I used you are amazing, but you could never blow me away unless you were using R5 tires, sorry.

 

[4DSC]

Go for it buddy! I wasn't trying to brag about anything or challenge anyone. Just telling people what I got. Don't be a hot head. Besides if you can beat that time significantly on those same tires I used you are amazing, but you could never blow me away unless you were using R5 tires, sorry.

Hey, no heat here man.. Just some good ol' fashion competition. 👍

I think I will take you up on that challenge though.. Judging by your time, Im guessing you used NOS, right?

 

[stig_beater]

Incorrect my friend I used no NOS during the production of that lap time. Just the AYC as my secret weapon and the added weight of the MR to keep it on the road while going over bumps in wicked powerslides. I love the ring!

 

[4DSC]

Incorrect my friend I used no NOS during the production of that lap time. Just the AYC as my secret weapon and the added weight of the MR to keep it on the road while going over bumps in wicked powerslides. I love the ring!

What do you mean.. AYC isn't available for the Evo.. Maybe it's just my RS.. Could it be for the MR and not the RS?

 

[stig_beater]

The RS evos don't come with AYC only the top of the line GSRs and MRs do.

 

[4DSC]

The RS evos don't come with AYC only the top of the line GSRs and MRs do.

Yeah, I checked today.. Dang.. I thought the RS is everything an Evo is just stripped, but something like an AYC, wouldn't make sense to strip IMO. I guess I lucked out on that, but the RS is alot lighter then the MR, no? I think I come in at 1122kg with full weight drop. If not, then maybe the MR would have been the better choice for me Max power is at 547hp for me..

 

[zefff]

IIRC in reality, the RS is 100kgs lighter and has mechanical differentials. The MR although heavier because of the aircon, interior, ABS etc. actually has modifications that lower the centre of gravity such as a lightweight aluminium roof amoungst other things. There is an Evo 8 MR RS (and now a 9 MR with Mivec) but sadly it isnt in the game.

They drop the SAYC from the homologation model (RS) because it is a weakspot that cant really handle a prolonged thrashing or loads of extra power...hence the 4500 mile service intervals and 400+bhp Evos swapping the diffs.

I may be wrong but I think the RS may get extra welds at the factory too.

 

[stig_beater]

The AYC has never been a weak spot on evos. The british division of misubishi used it on all the FQ models including the FQ400 which hence the name has 400 hp and came with a three year warrenty. The reason that old RS didn't come with AYC is because they were the base for race-spec rally cars and rally cars don't use AYC as often. Also RS models are supposed to be the lightest and the extra weight of the AYC was not acceptable.

In GT4 depending on your driving style AYC can be your holy grail of driving or the difference between winning and losing. The cornering speed your able to achieve using the AYC system correctly is astonishing.

 

[zefff]

Sorry chap but you dont know what you are talking about. No offence intended but I suggest you stick to games talk. Here, let me address your points and set you straight regarding the model.

AYC is the weak spot on Evolution Lancers since its introduction in 98. You can check with any owners club worldwide and ask how many RS diffs or even aftermarket products like Cusco etc have been known to fail on a 400+bhp modified car and then ask how many standard AYC diffs have failed when the power is pushed past 400.

The british division of Mitsubishi, The Colt Car Company, is nothing more than a glorified importer who own distribution license. They do not manufacture any cars. The cars are shipped from Japan as GSR's/RS/GT and rebadged plus any minor modifications to meet FQ product specs on arrival.

As for the FQ400, did I not say cars over 400bhp?...there is a reason it is the FQ400 and not the FQ500. 💡 Also, the FQ400 is not a true CCC product. It was developed by a tuner called Owen Developments with CCC funding and the only reason they can offer the warrenty is because its internals are fit for 500+bhp so 400 is a breeze. The AYC will still be fine as long as its serviced regularly.

The reason all RS's come without AYC is because the AYC diff cannot handle the aggressive and prolonged forces that a rally car might push through it, with added risk of any particles entering the system. Also the system needs to be simple so it can be easily serviced between stages. The reason is NOT weight! RS's still have front, centre and rear diffs that probably weigh the same anyway as they are proven to be very robust as 1000+bhp Evo's using RS diff's prove. Rally cars do not use AYC ever because rally cars are built from RS's. I hope this has been a help to you.

 

[4DSC]

Thanks for the info zefff.. So you think I should switch over to the MR to make use of the AYC? Or should pure lightness get me through? I did a few warm ups the other day before my controller crapped out lol, and I don't think I was anywhere near your time stig_beater on R3s. Heck, I barely hit 6:25 with R5s. And Im no rookie at the ring either. 3 years of experience in 2 different games on this track, and pulled out the gold in S lisence, so it's kinda hard to believe you could get me by so much on this track with no NOS and AYC.. Guess I'll have to try a bit harder then

 

[stig_beater]

That lap time is a honest one. There is alot of time that you can make up at the Ring by running faster then you think you can and by driving the right line.

(P.S. the gold licsense is a joke. I beat that by over 30 seconds on my first try. If you want a real test do the last mission in the mission hall with the SLR and beat that a couple times. It will help improve your ring driving.)

Dear Zefff,
I race real cars also you moron so don't tell me I don't know what i'm talking about. Any car with 400+ horspower can blow any part of it's drivetrain up. I raced evo's before in time attack events and I'm quite knowledgeble when it comes to them and what they break. I don't care if CCC didn't make there own car. I also posted that rally cars are based off RS's too. All high strung cars come with a downside. To tell you the honest truth I have seen my fair share of US spec evo's blow their diffs under hard use also. Some of those Evo's were barly modified at all.💡 Also some rally cars do use AYC the All Japan Rally Chaponship winning evo used a AYC a couple of years back.💡 Plus the AYC in evo's was originally intended to give the street spec evo exceptional handling in any condition and was never intended for race use at first ( only to race street spec subaru's ).💡 Also besides group N evos or other spec rally evos the rest of the compition doesn't use RS diffs either and any fool with a car that has over 400 hp and the stock diffs no mater what shouldn't build or drive cars. So stick to games, because you sound like you are a wannabe evo owner/driver that has too much free time. I like this forum and the people on it, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about flat out until you get your facts straight. I have had first hand experience with this stuff and actually seen evos blow up and break down I hope this has been help to you.

 

[4DSC]

That lap time is a honest one. There is alot of time that you can make up at the Ring by running faster then you think you can and by driving the right line.

(P.S. the gold licsense is a joke. I beat that by over 30 seconds on my first try. If you want a real test do the last mission in the mission hall with the SLR and beat that a couple times. It will help improve your ring driving.)

I was trying to take you seriosly and be respectful, but now I know your just full of it along with many of the other things you mentioned below. 30 seconds? You must think Im BS' you, as you are me Im not an idiot, I know what the right line for that track is. And the gold license is far from a joke. The computer in the replay does the line perfectly with 5-0% mistakes with a constant computer like flow that not many(or none) people can duplicate with a remote. And the computer's run is still 6 seconds faster then what you are required to get gold. A pro at this game would have to drive mistake free to keep up with that. Now your saying you did it 30 seconds faster(on your first try even) with that Mercedes touring car? You must really think Im dumb.

and any fool with a car that has over 400 hp and the stock diffs no mater what shouldn't build or drive cars.

Riiight...

 

[zefff]

Dear Zefff,
I race real cars also you moron so don't tell me I don't know what i'm talking about. Any car with 400+ horspower can blow any part of it's drivetrain up. I raced evo's before in time attack events and I'm quite knowledgeble when it comes to them and what they break.

I was actually trying to help by clarifying your mistakes, but hey! LOL @ you calling me a moron. So what is the easiest thing to break on an Evo? You tell me! Racing cars has got nothing to do with knowledge of a particular model. Racing cars is racing cars and nothing else, for all I know you could be talking about racing hotwheels around the living room carpet!

The amount of horsepower ATF or ATW has got nothing specifically to do with 'blowing drivetrains'. It is the relationship between the parts specification/tolerances and the forces that are fed through it that is important. The engine could transmit 40bhp or 40,000bhp like you might get in a tankers powerplant. By your logic tankers and cruise ships must be 'blowing drivetrains' every five minutes!

You raced evos in time attacks?...What in Need for Speed Carbon or summat? I have a Mitsubishi FTO and am planning to get an Evo 7/8 RS soon. I have friends who have owned Evos from 5,6,TME,7 and 8 and regularly do track days...SO WHAT? Thats why I know a bit, because I had to do some research before buying one.

I don't care if CCC didn't make there own car. I also posted that rally cars are based off RS's too.

You cared back when you were going on about the "British division of Mitsubishi", whatever that means. As for rally cars you actually posted "some" rally cars even used AYC, which implies that "some" rally cars are GSR derivatives...which is odd considering the GSR isnt homologated for competition. Mind you it is possible that you can get an RSII with AYC from the factory but Ive never seen one ever used for competition, even if its at all possible.

All high strung cars come with a downside. To tell you the honest truth I have seen my fair share of US spec evo's blow their diffs under hard use also. Some of those Evo's were barly modified at all.💡 Also some rally cars do use AYC the All Japan Rally Chaponship winning evo used a AYC a couple of years back.💡

Yes modified cars need TLC and there is a risk when running with high pressure boost etc.

As for US Evos I havent a clue...at least I admit that! US Evos are a totally different kettle of fish. Infact AFAIK, US Evos dont come stock with AYC at all do they? Do they even come with the full RS mechanical diff setup at front, centre and rear or is it some Oz Lancer hybrid? You tell me!

I do know you all love to drag though and use of N2o and methenol etc is widespread. A drivetrain that only has to run for 10 seconds doesnt have to face the same pressures as a drivetrain that has to run sprints for a day.

As for your All Japan rally car I would love to see more info on the car, event and event classifications, rules etc so if you can dig it up that would be a great help. Cheers!

Plus the AYC in evo's was originally intended to give the street spec evo exceptional handling in any condition and was never intended for race use at first ( only to race street spec subaru's ).💡

WTH is that supposed to mean? If it was EVER intended for race use it would be part of the spec on the homologation model...which it isnt! Racing street spec Subarus??? BWAHAHAHAHAAA! Stop now mate while you still have a slither of cred.

Also besides group N evos or other spec rally evos the rest of the compition doesn't use RS diffs either and any fool with a car that has over 400 hp and the stock diffs no mater what shouldn't build or drive cars.

By "the rest of the compition" [sic] do you actually mean teams in other models of base car? If so, well of course they dont use Mitsubishi RS diffs on other cars! Can you imagine a team trying to run a RS mechanical (helical LSD) with an Impreza base car that should have a viscous coupling LSD, which is also integral to the transmission on that particular car?

Also the second sentance you posted is in error. What if I mentioned the Porsche GT3 as an example. It is homologated for GT racing and has over 400bhp stock and people race it with stock transmission! So maybe it is YOU who shouldnt be racing cars!

So stick to games, because you sound like you are a wannabe evo owner/driver that has too much free time. I like this forum and the people on it, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about flat out until you get your facts straight. I have had first hand experience with this stuff and actually seen evos blow up and break down I hope this has been help to you.

Well games are a lot cheaper I suppose! You are right though in one respect, I am a wannabe Evo owner. I do have my facts straight, thats why I corrected you. What makes me laugh is you started by saying how AYC was not a weak point but then went on to say that the proven stronger (and used by Ralliart themselves) RS diffs are weak! You may have seen Evo's blow up but as I said before, I dont know what the US spec Evo drivetrain is comprised of. I would be very surprised if the US GSR equivalent used the RS spec diff setup throughout though.

peace

P.S. There is always someone out there with a bigger penis than you!

 

[Scaff]

@Stig-Beater

You have taken a rather aggressive stance in this thread and I would suggest that you take the time to fully read the PM that has been sent and refresh you understanding of the AUP.

Disagreement and discussion is an important part of GT Planet, but so is mutual understanding and respect, calling someone a moron shows neither and will not be tolerated. It always helps to support a point on an argument is (when possible) you provide credible sources to support claims, its something I personally always try an do.

Now as to the racing side of things, I'm sure that you understand that on the 'net its very easy to claim anything, and given the size of GT Planet and its global appeal we have had many people claim to be many things, we even have a thread dedicated to it.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/show...16&highlight=help+im+making+a+ludicrous+claim

Now keep in mind that I am not saying you are making a false claim, just that at this moment we have no way of knowing. So in the interests of the site I would be greatly interested if you could supply us with some information on your competition career, car, etc.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Famine]

(P.S. the gold licsense is a joke. I beat that by over 30 seconds on my first try)

Really? That makes for a 6'37. Not bad, considering that the ratified world record is 6'44.

Replay, please.

 

[zefff]

I'll start the ball rolling. I claimed I have an FTO. Well here are various pics that should prove I have prolonged contact with the car. Its a GR spec with upgraded brakes (Camskill/Pagid), suspension (Unknown Japanese), strut braces (FETsports), full decat exhaust (Apexi N1/Xtreme custom), air induction (Apexi), Rays Gram Light racing wheels 17's/Allesio turbo 18's, Toyo T1-R's, 3 point TRS harness etc etc...oh I love my car! Any excuse to show pics!

TBH I was a bit harsh but only because I was defending what I know to be correct regarding the main point of contention which was the AYC system being the weak link in the Evo chain. And to be honest I was only offering what little knowledge I had about the RS and MR models.

 

[OZZYGT]

Really? That makes for a 6'37. Not bad, considering that the ratified world record is 6'44.

Replay, please.

I second that. 2 or 3 days without replay and your "lap time" shall go to the Oh, oh, oh, I'm making a Ludicrous Claim! thread

@zefff : Sweet ride man! 👍, I like the second pic myself


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As far as the Evo on the 'Ring, I gave it a run last night and it was just, meh... but some of you have posted some nice settings 👍





Ciao!

 

[Metar]

(P.S. the gold licsense is a joke. I beat that by over 30 seconds on my first try. If you want a real test do the last mission in the mission hall with the SLR and beat that a couple times. It will help improve your ring driving.)

Believe me, if Dan/Holl01 ran the following time:

1 holl01 6:44.120 14.6.2006 (PAL)

Which is about 20 seconds from the required gold on S16 (He was also ~27 second from gold on IA15. It's the world-record for those tests - Dan holds the records for every single test, and he got them all proven and tested to be clean)... Then there's not a chance in the world that you beat it by 30 seconds, never mind first try!

I won't take any position in the Evo-argument, since Evos are pretty rare in Israel. However, I will draw my conclusions from what I read: The AYC, because it's so complicated, should be pretty fragile - something both you and zefff said. However, zefff mentioned, the RS differentials are parts from a race homologation-car, meaning they should withstand the abuse of racing with the car. And if Rallyart uses them, they can't be that fragile, can't they?

 

[zefff]

Cheers Ozzy!

Thanks for the info zefff.. So you think I should switch over to the MR to make use of the AYC? Or should pure lightness get me through?

Sorry 4DSC, I got carried away with the banter and forgot to answer your Q...anyway, why not try both with near as possible, identical settings and report your findings here.

Your preference may depend on your style but on a GSR I prefer to switch the AYC for an LSD myself. It may not drive the car around corners as well but the LSD seems to let the car switch direction quicker. The word that sums it up is 'agility' I guess. The AYC does let you carry good speed and angle around long sweeping corners though and at high speed the extra weight of the MR does not hinder the car.

Me personally, I prefer the RS over the heavier MR but you can go with whatever. Who knows maybe they did factor in the lower centre of gravity in the MR!

EDIT:

To support my claim that the AYC is weak (as Gingiba rightly says, due to its complicated mechanism) and that the RS diff is proven to be strong, I found this link. Its to the spec of Norris Designs famous Evo 9. Scroll down and you'll see it uses a standard RS rear diff and a shortened RS propshaft (due to the cars wheelbase being reduced). ND is probably the premier tuner of Evo's in Europe and one of the best in the world, proven by his products and the records they hold. http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/demo-evo9.htm