Nurburgring Race series - Grand final results and closing thread.

[Dave_George]

Welcome everyone to the results for the NRS week 17 and the final closing thread to this series. Please take the time to have a read of the results and post your thoughts and comments if you have the time.

Nurburging Race Series - Grand Final - RUF CTR YELLOWBIRD '87​

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The Ruf CTR proved to be as much of a challenge as we had expected, at times it was extremely rewarding, but equally frustrating at others!

Perhaps unsurprisingly the results for the AI are identical to those of the hotlaps, an extremely big 👍 to the guys who submitted and hauled this mighty car round lap after lap.....

Taking the overall win is VTracing with a truly astonishing time, just a couple of seconds behind is VEXD with a great run also into the 7'20's....I managed to pick up 3rd with Goixoye taking 4th and appie17 finishing off the last of the submissions for the final week.

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Those results affect the overall leaderboard a little bit, im really pleased to take 1st overall, proving that you can win without ever actually winning Congratulations to Goixoye, Ronny takes 2nd place and well deservedly so with a couple of outright victories and a consistent approach that saw him compete in every event.👍 Congrats also to DrWatson who takes 3rd overall in the series, and well done to everyone else who participated but didnt reach the podiums, VEXD and VTracing you guys would have certainly been up there but for a few more weeks...

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Heres a quick recap of the overall season quickest lap times, some great laps in there...
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Well thats it then folks, the end of the NRS. I hope that you have in some way enjoyed the series, I had created it with the wish that you gained experience in driving the Nurb, and also in maybe how to set cars up suspension wise? I have ticked both of those boxes, and feel i have learned a lot from racing with you all, its a shame to end this but the time has come, my personal high note must surely be coming within .3 of VTracing on the "Truck week" proving that either A) I can drive 537BHP Dodge trucks round the most challenging circuit in the world or B) VTracing wasnt that good at driving 537BHP Dodge trucks around the same circuit...... Either way it was good to come so close to you there VT:tup:

One thing I didnt do was get any closer to you quick guys as the weeks went by, I always maintained that gap between us, more OLR for me perhaps!!

I hope you have the time to stop by and add your thoughts and comments, I had so much I had wanted to say and its so late now Ive forgotton everything I suppose a big thankyou to everyones dedication and participation, Im honoured that my series pulled in interest, even if it rolled off a bit at the end, a big thanks also to Ronny for stepping in when the going got tough for me back at Wk10:tup:

For now then its over and out

best regards to all

David

 

[Dave_George]

Wanted to also post this for anyone who might be interested?

Its a Nurburgring map showing all my times, the fastest Jaguar XJR9 lap being the control time and then where each other car I drove would have been by the time the Jag was crossing the finish line.

It graphically shows how close some of the cars were and that the Dodge Ram truck had no right to be so damn quick!!

Standout cars for me were the NSX-R on S1 tyres and the Amuse S2000 GT1. The Spitfire in warm up did remarkably well also to get so far round the track in my opinion!!

Green = N tyres
Orange = S tyres
Blue = R tyres

cheers all

David

 

[goixoye]

Congrats and hats off to VT, Vexd and Dave on those stellar times. Well done driving the most difficult car on the most difficult track.

I put about 630 miles on this car and realized when the splits were coming in that I wasn't going to be competitive so I lost some enthusiasm. However I must admit that I actually prefered the realism of these events (N3s, stock HP and NO TCS/ASM) to other ways of competing.

I did try a few other cars in like fashion and found that while the YB is extremely difficult to drive the other cars required similar "skill" to work them around the 'ring. It might not be as fast but it is certainly more challenging and is without a doubt the way I would prefer to "play" this game. With AI for a little additional challenge.

I too feel that I accomplished both of Dave's goals, which were my goals also...especially actually learning a little about the set-ups. A big thank you to Skaff (sp?) for his mid-series input. Very valuable. And for the 1st time I actually could "feel" the cause and effect of suspension adjustments.

A special thanks to Dave and a very well deserved "well done" for putting this series together. Excellent concept, well executed. I think it was a great idea to allow particpants to select the cars to be used. The only idea that I really like that wasn't employed in this series was "budget tuning". I'm not mentioning this as criticism and really only just now thought of it so this is off-the-top-of my-headt but, to me, it does add a little "spice" to OLR...but it would skew the results if we're not all driving the same car...so maybe it's not a valuable thought.

I'm quite pleased to finish 2nd overall, even though I know it's not something I necessarily "earned". So, like Dave, perseverence does have it's rewards.

I will be taking a "sabatical" of sorts from GT4 for a while in favor of mixing it up with the AI in TOCA Race Driver 3. I'm sure the difference in physics will totally ruin my GT4 gameplay. But I do enjoy on-track competition with 20 other cars and being able to define my own "Championship". I enjoy developing a strategy in multi-lap races. The handling does feel "realistic"...at least to me and the game allows some "incidental" contact but will penalize you and even disqualify you if don't behave. Performance effecting damage also forces you to be patient and to take care of the equipment too. The game suffers in replay mode and it's unfortunate that there is no photo mode. But anyway I didn't really intend to get this deep into this. Suffice to say I will be absent for awhile.

I have enjoyed competing against real people but unfortunately gtp has allowed me to feed my obsession and solitary gameplay isn't quite as time comsuming (it's taken me a long time just to draft this post). This (video gaming) is supposed to be "therapy" and not a addictive habit compelling me to spend hours to reduce lap times by fractions of a second.

Anyway I've strayed far from my intent for this post and I will now relenquish my soapbox.

Thank you again, Dave.

Sincerely,
Ronny

 

[goixoye]

Wanted to also post this for anyone who might be interested?

Its a Nurburgring map showing all my times, the fastest Jaguar XJR9 lap being the control time and then where each other car I drove would have been by the time the Jag was crossing the finish line.

It graphically shows how close some of the cars were and that the Dodge Ram truck had no right to be so damn quick!!

Standout cars for me were the NSX-R on S1 tyres and the Amuse S2000 GT1. The Spitfire in warm up did remarkably well also to get so far round the track in my opinion!!

Green = N tyres
Orange = S tyres
Blue = R tyres

cheers all

David

Intersting graphic. I guess in retrospect my standout car would most likely be the Lotus. That week was the 1st week I really pushed the envelope and began seeing some personal progress in my driving abilities.

 

[Soyfu]

Cool. The NRS was really fun. Thanks, Dave and goixoye.

Sorry I had to drop out after week 13 but I just couldn't hack it with the powerful cars. I enjoy the lower power rides.

Learning Nurburgring inside and out was a lot of fun. Since the NRS started, Nurb has become the first destination for any new car I acquire in GT4. It feels like my backyard.

I'd say I didn't catch on to most of the suspension tricks. I would do alright with the stock config but wasn't able to tune anything right to make it better. It was always such a shock when I'd dial in settings from someone else (Dave, Kent) and the car would suddenly go faster for no apparent reason.

I loved the truck race but my favorite car was the MX-5. Also, discovering the awesome Falken GTR Race Car in Week 13 was worth the price of admission.

Cool map, and thanks for the ride!

 

[Dr_Watson]

was a fun series... well-done dave (and ron as interrim steward). 👍
unfortunately reality stopped me from competing in more weeks. (only got the chance to put 30 miles on my yellow-bird )

i should see most of you around in the wrs competitions to come... gl/hf all.

 

[Scaff]

A big thank you to Skaff (sp?) for his mid-series input. Very valuable. And for the 1st time I actually could "feel" the cause and effect of suspension adjustments.

Thanks for that goixoye, glad my advise was of use, and I have to say that without this series (and in particular Dave's feedback) my GT4 suspension tuning guide would never have got finished.

I just wish I'd had the time to enter a few of the races, maybe sometime in the future.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Appie]

i loved the series:tup:

great job

 

[VEXD]

Chaps, it has been a pleasure, and a thrill most weex to play alongside the quicker "Ringmeisters" and learn all the ins and outs of this circuit, and i cant thank you all enough for putting on the show.

Through watching videos of skylines that arrived in the post, to checking replays of me, looking at the ending movie on GT4, and watching some downloaded replays from other drivers, i have learned the many secrets to going faster on the ring, and with Scaff's tuning guide, and all the alternative tuning suggestions on here throughout the weex, i have learned a few things about setting cars up too.

It is now my testing ground for anything i want to toy with as opposed to race in the game, and i have found the series invaluable for those lessons.

My highlight was the Falken GTR, as i loved taking the R34 round the ring on N2's as it was, so the experience was comparable, but faster!

However the sound of the S2000 stix out too.

Hats off (i havent been wearing one for a while now) to Dave and Ronnie for a fantastic production, and i am praying that they will return to the stage with something equally as enjoyable in the future.

Well done to VT for taking the win in the bird, i could have beaten you in the multi lapper, given more patience, but the hotlap time was awesome VT, good driving.

I was thinking, maybe we could get some replays in this thread, as i still have all mine to post up from weex of racing, given time, i'll do that, but i would love to see VT's final hotlap, and see where the other 2 seconds were!

Im sad to see this end, but live in hope it will be replaced, or restart again soon, and i want to give thanx to all involved for keeping me in my chair till the small hours, trying to make buttery tyres stick to polished frozen glass tarmac with my 500HP Yellow Grease dispenser.

See you all in the WRS until Dave pulls his finger out.

VEXD out.
👍

 

[VTRacing]

Your wish is my command, Mr VEXD.

Actually I meant to have this up yesterday but I forgot... I'm not all that happy with my hotlap, you'll see what I mean when you watch it because there are a number of mistakes and lines that are too conservative. I'm certain that it's possible to run a lap under 7'20 if you could confidently drift every corner.

Bring on the next Nurburgring series! 👍

 

[Soyfu]

I'm downloading those for the future, should I ever get a MAX drive. I must see these laps!

 

[bigrew]

Amazing championship Dave! 👍

Sorry I let you down a bit

Any ideas for the future?

 

[Dave_George]

Cheers for all the comments guys, good to see the series so well thought of, I have no current plans for something else, although that might change it depends if i can think of something with any worthwhile point to it....so many series and ideas come to nothing on here, its extremely hard to get interest in the first place let alone keep that interest when the series is up and running.

For everyones information, looking back i might have done the following things differently with the NRS :

1)Change the points structure to a 10,9,8,7....and so on to keep things closer, its predictable on GTP that the quick guys are going to tale the wins so that would keep things closer in the leaderboards.

2)Not have altered power each week. I might have just added suspension components and tuned those. What the series did do for me however was to show me where my strengths are and what combinations of cars/tyres I enjoy driving best which ended up like Ronny being the stock cars on N tyres which i think GT4 is great with.

I downloaded and watched VTracings hotlap today, great stuff there VT:tup:
Seems the YB works so well with a good drift angle on each corner, your tyres were screaming as much as mine too! I noticed how well the YB was responding to a bit of left foot braking, Im experimenting with using the R1 button as a 2nd brake on the DS2 controller for those mid corner moments where you just need to trim your line a bit. Not the same as a pedal set up im sure but showing some promise nevertheless and possibly a way I can trim some more off my times without getting a wheel and pedal setup...

cheers for now

Dave

 

[VTRacing]

The thing I like most about the Yellowbird, or pretty much any car on N tyres at the ring, is that they tend to behave like a rally car on dirt (far more than GT4's actual rallying component).

That means the quickest way through a corner is slightly sideways. As you enter the corner, you want the nose of the car to be pointed to where the road goes after the exit, and then just drift through clipping the apex with the inside front wheel.

When it works it's wonderful. When it doesn't you need some quick hands and feet to stay on the road.

For anyone who downloads my replays with the YB, make sure you turn on the steering wheel display for the replay. It makes some interesting viewing as you see me trying to work out when the slide is going to end and "sampling" the grip all the time.

 

[goixoye]

The thing I like most about the Yellowbird, or pretty much any car on N tyres at the ring, is that they tend to behave like a rally car on dirt (far more than GT4's actual rallying component).

That means the quickest way through a corner is slightly sideways. As you enter the corner, you want the nose of the car to be pointed to where the road goes after the exit, and then just drift through clipping the apex with the inside front wheel.

When it works it's wonderful. When it doesn't you need some quick hands and feet to stay on the road.

For anyone who downloads my replays with the YB, make sure you turn on the steering wheel display for the replay. It makes some interesting viewing as you see me trying to work out when the slide is going to end and "sampling" the grip all the time.

VT, I'd love to see your replays but I haven't tried as I assume they're PAL and I wouldn't be able to view them on NTSC. Is this true?

 

[holl01]

great series dave george, even though i only raced 2 races unofficially, unfortunately i failed to complete a clean lap in the last YB race, but i had a bout 2 or 3 laps where i drifted all the opening 7 or 8 sectors almost perfectly only to misjudge a corner slightly and wildely spin off into a barrier. but tomorrow i have set aside a couple of hours to complete a lap, and i'll c how i go then! but from memory i had a 7'18 dirty or something like that

 

[Dave_George]

Cheers Dan, be interesting to see what you come up with!

regards

Dave

 

[VTRacing]

See, what did I tell you...sub 7'20 from the alien.

And goixoye, I am PAL format, so unless someone makes a video of my run (and I have a feeling holl01's would make better viewing anyway) you can't see it.

Perhaps when Dan has a clean lap he can give it to jump_ace to turn into a video. I think Jerome (jump_ace) has a way of viewing PAL replays.

 

[VEXD]

He is an alien, that lad.... must be something in the water ver there in OZ, i take it you drink from bottles VT?

I know chips has tap water too..... dont you chips?

HEHE i jest.

No offence....

That is a sick time tho, 7'18 and i would like to see it.

We could get Daan to stick it up, he would spare the bandwidth if we all asked nicely..

What do u say david?

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