Official NEMESIS vs. ACN Drift Battle Thread

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Well put it this way then WHO is challanging WHO in a street battle the challanger would except the persons they are challangings rules right. Its not like your running a proffessional event your having a team battle you guys are talking like your holding it at an D1 event or FD the way your going to be watching the event wont exactly enable you good views of the clipping points or angles of cars i think it would be pretty obvious in replays who the better drifter would be. Its not exactly an easy game to stick side by side on someone slightest error and your gone.
 
Yhea +1 for the effort.
We really appreciate the effort you've put into this thread.

I have sent you a PM, not sure if you've read it but it outlines my opinions on tracks and rules.

We should have rules such as 'considerable bump (caused by follower) = loss of round.

The judge can just tally which team won each battle.

Would be awesome to have seperate battles with a winning team for each, such as:

1 on 1 battles

Solo runs for each member

Team tandem (full lap one team at a time with all four members)

If the judge could make a plan of everything that'll happen and his chosen rules, it would make the battle run much more smoothly.

Chris.
 
@drifta-ajv

Holding two cars side by side is not
supposed to be easy, that's why we (<ACN>) have put many, many hours into tandem practice. The battle should be a fun event where we can pit our skills against eachother in a competitive environment. But to avoid any argument we all need to understand and (hopefully) accept the decisions made.

Chris.
 
Great effort to get this sorted, but, two things.

1st, the 'points' system you've mentioned is complete rubbish, judge it like real world drifting or it's pointless.

2nd, outside of D1, passing is not allowed AT ANY TIME unless the lead car leaves the track and leaves a totally clear line for the following car, this way, the lead car can take the optimum drift line without worrying about some cheap shot of an overtaking move. Drifting IS NOT about crossing the finish line first.

Someone really needs to write some PROPER rules that the entire community can stick with :)
 
@TwinTurboCH
+1

There shouldn't need to be too much of a 'ruleset', but just a layout of what events there will be and how they will be organised.

TwinTurboCH, as you are a possible judge, it would be great if you could step in and sort this out, as you are un-biased in this thread and event.

I am very exited about this event.

Chris.
 
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I just hope u guys get it sorted and have a good event regardless. Good luck to both teams and look foward to updates and hopefully video uploads of rounds as i will be keeping a close on on this thread to see the out come. GOODLUCK!!
 
Okay, I thought up a rule set that could make everyone happy. Check back from 30 minutes to an hour for updates.
 
These rules are still stupid , you cant pass on a turn ! Only if the lead car goes entirely off the track, the idea of a battle is to see how close you can get :grumpy:
 
No passing! it's cool to pass during practice but never during battles! It also eliminates taking turns as leader!
 
Wow, there I changed it, but you guys are making it seem like its super easy to make a pass while drifting.
 
Ok well there, the rules are exactly how you guys wanted them. Hopefully everything is settled. Now all we need to do is find judges and set up a date and time. You guys agreed to Saturday. So why not do it at 6PM GST (1PM EST, 10AM PST). Sound good?

Has TwinTurbo agreed to being a judge?
 
Thank you for finally sorting out the rules, if you mean 6pm gmt that should be ok as that is uk time zone. Ask twin turbo if he is free ti judge and if he wants to ;)
 
Well let's just plan on TwinTurbo NOT being a judge and try to have to judges in place now... If he does end up being available to judge - then we will make one of the two judges an alternate...
 
Wow, there I changed it, but you guys are making it seem like its super easy to make a pass while drifting.

In certain situations, if the lead car takes the best 'drift' line, it is. Trust me.

Haven't said anything about judging as didn't want to speak out of turn, but if you guys want me to do it, I'll do it. I want GT drifting to go the right way and if I have to help it along, then that's fine by me :)
 
In certain situations, if the lead car takes the best 'drift' line, it is. Trust me.

Haven't said anything about judging as didn't want to speak out of turn, but if you guys want me to do it, I'll do it. I want GT drifting to go the right way and if I have to help it along, then that's fine by me :)

I agree with your points here too TwinTurbo... I also want to see GT drifting go the right way and want to help promote and build the community even further...

Thank you for volunteering to be a judge... Much appreciated...
 
Thanks TwinTurbo!

Looks like things are more organised now and the event is set to go!

Should be a fun battle, can't wait.
 
Great job taking charge Ice! Very clean. Nemesis is no way like a classroom of little children either, respect everywhere. Im very excited!
except how will the time difference effect it?

Rover! I want to get a chance in this thing...This is ianvaz1 from PSN! Let me know.
 
Everything I haven't quoted I agree with 100%. Anything I have suggestions for, I have quoted below :)

- There is to be no touching what so ever. Lead car always has the right of way!
Yes, the lead car always has right of way, but small touches are not a problem. If the touch is so light that it does not affect the lead car, then there is no issue. If you state that even the tiniest contact will lead to 10/0 to the leader then you will create two reactions. 1st, people will not attempt to get close, meaning battles are boring. 2nd, you will get something which has become VERY prevelant in Dutch driting, brake checking, where the lead car slows his drift knowing that the following car will have to correct the drift in order to avoid them. This does nothing but encourage dirty tactics.
Our rule is, if the contact is big enough to affect the drift of the lead car in such as way as to cause a spin/off, then the following car is deemed to have forfeited the run.

- If the chase car hits the leading car and the leading car's drift line is altered (gets pushed higher up on the track then intended or goes off the track) because of this hit, the chase car automatically loses.
That's a better contact rule, but it is contradicted by the one I have quoted above.


- If both cars make it to the finish line, it is up to the judges to decide who preformed better. Ex. Leading car was able to pull away or the chase car was able to stay really close. If the distance between the cars isn't good enough to award anyone, judges will decide the winner by whoever had better style. (Angle, speed, smoke, and linked drifts)

The win should not be decided purely based on the speed of the competitors. It is a balance of speed, angle, line etc. The goal for the following driver is to mirror the lead driver exactly. The lead driver determines line etc and the following driver must match it, and while doing so, he has to keep up and try to take ground away from the leader.

Score Sheet:
Judges, you may copy and paste this and just fill it out for every driver as they go.
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For Single Drift Session Only
Driver:
Team:
Speed: [-/10]
Angle: [-/10]
Smoke: [-/10]
Smoothness: [-/10]
Clipping Points: [-/10]
Drift Link: [-/10]
Manji: [-/10] (if applicable)

Speed, yes
Angle, yes
Smoke, no (part of style score)
Smoothness, no (part of angle score)
Clipping points, no (part of line score)
Drift link, no (part of angle score)
Manji, no (it's just not part of competition drifting.)


Deductions: (If they get the deduction, you put 0, if not, put 10. No other number should be used)
Off course/hitting a wall: [0/10] (more then 1 tire is off the track)
Overall Average Score: [-/10]
Hitting a wall only counts as a deduction if the touch affects the drift. If the driver can touch a wall without it adversley affecting the drift (no reduction in angle or throttle), it is considered ok, and in fact sometimes rewarded, depending on the course.
More than one tyres off track, agreed, but I still tend to deduct points for even one tyre off track as it shows a slight mis-judgement.


-------------------------------
[1]----------[5]----------[10]
Horrible - Average - Perfect
Where each judge is giving an overall score, I have always scored it as the following:
Angle: 30pts
Line: 30pts
Speed: 25pts (this is not because speed is less important, but because there is, inevitably, going to be less variation in speed between competitors than there will be line and angle differences.)
Style: 15pts
Total score is therefore out of 100 and makes life a lot easier.


Tracks:
Tsukuba
Start Line is half way through the straight away that is just before the last turn. (The longest turn on this track) The finish line is at the end of the last turn that is just before the straight that the race started on.
This is dependant on putting a cone on the main straight to give a visual reference for the sway on the straight, if this can't be agreed, then the only option is to start the judging at the entry to the real 'turn 1' of Tsukuba.

4. Cars go one at a time through the whole track. Judges will score every driver individually based on angle, speed, smoke, and their ability to link as many drifts as they can through out the entire track.
If anyone straightens their car at any point other than on a long straight there are HUGE deductions. The idea of drifting is to link all the given corners if physically possible, therefore any time where the car is completely straight/understeering for more than a few metres is considered a zero score for the entire run.

7. Judges will announce both team's average score, (they will follow a score sheet) and they will declare a winner for that track.
Scores should be decided and announced after each run, this prevents any form of 'shuffling' of scores to manipulate results. When scores are announced immediately, there is more transparency and therefore, less chance for anyone to say the judging is biased.

9. If both teams have 1 win after both tracks are finished, the judges will pick a surprise track for sudden death. #2 through #7 will be repeated.
The obvious answer would be to simply have the top scorers from each team run again. The likelyhood of each team winning twice is reasonable, and therefore it could take a LONG time to work out. Or, have a knockout elimination.
If you decide on using a third track, decide on it in advance, that way no-one can say it was unfair.

If both judges don't give the same score, the one with the lowest score will be chosen. If drivers feel that the score given is not true, the 2 drivers in that match-up will decide on a fair score. HONESTY IS EVERYTHING!!
Sorry, but that's dumb, drivers deciding the score? It'll never work, trust me, it only ends in arguments. Why have judges at all if you are not going to respect their decisions? The judges should each decide a score for qualifying, the two scores are added together and the total is the result, even if it means having a total out of 200. One judge may give higher scores than the other, but the overall result may be the same, so saying the lower one counts is pointless.



Everything else I agree with. :)
 
Ian i cant allow anything as its my teams and mostly Gambinos choice if you are able to compete. Sorry
Also i have to renouce my entry as 10am will not work with real work. sorry everyone and have a tight battle!
however I believe we do have 2 drivers up and ready soon as long as it work for them too
 
Ya im going to look at everything again, I was editing everything from my phone which makes it harder! Ill try to do everything properly now.
 
I'd like to ask for 2 things from ACN.

1. Can we please bump up the HP restriction to 410 bhp because a few of us have practiced with our cars a bit too much and our HP went up quiet a bit from engine break in.
2. Can we move this to event to Sunday at 6 PM GMT? Our members are all available on Sunday.
 
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