Oh Max!

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Ok, wasn't expecting to see that. Looks like she's being preared for the oven ...

If that's the case I'll definitely take a breast or two please.

Anyway, it was always going to be more damaging for him to be kept in than booted out (whether now or the end of the season) and yet people still voted in his favor, go figure...guess these days it's more about the money than anything else. Trouble with Max is he's 90% only ever interested in himself, rather than what he does will do to other people or the big picture. There'll be more to it than this, and it certainly won't end with this vote.
 
IMHO, Formula One no longer 'needs' the FIA.👍

It does - it just needs one that doesn't get filmed spanking hookers and wives of MI5 agents. Every series needs an organizing body, one with powers accepted by all participants. They can argue with it, or accept it - but it F1 needs the FIA. In fact, most higher levels of motorsport outside of the US are governed by the FIA - WRC, GT-racing, etc - and while the FIA has done some questionable moves, there is no other way.

It's easy to hate the FIA, blame them responsible for everything - but exactly the faults are those that are remembered most of all, not the fact that we still have the Formula 1 running, with a clear future.
 
In one's own private quarters, I see no reason why not. I think all of us do things in privacy that wouldn't be taken too well in the public. And that includes as simple things as going to the bathroom.

This is true until it adversely affects your ability to do your 'job'. Being denied entry into F1 host countries or being shunned by participants does not allow him to perform his duties. He should step down.

I am all for people having the freedom to do what they want, but you have to take responsibility for your actions. If someone does not approve of what you do, even in private, you cannot force them to accept it.
 
Are these the same people that gave McLaren the $100 million fine. It's pretty sad that only 1/3 voted against him.
 
I think it illustrates quite clearly that at least 2/3rds of the FIA are living on a different 🤬 planet.

Farcical. I'm glad I stopped really following F1 when I did, and I'm saddened that the glorious GT championships have to be associated with this shower of 🤬.
 
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The judgement of history

The decision by the FIA General Assembly to support Max Mosley paints the federation in a very poor light, at least in the eyes of the general public. A large number of people in this world believe that married men should not break their vows and involve themselves with lurid sexual games, involving uniformed dominatrices. They believe that personal betrayals of trust are not something that should be ignored because it is in one's private life, but rather should be seen as an indication of the character of the person concerned. If one follows this logic, it is clear that Max Mosley is not a man who can be trusted. He admits that he did what he did. What he does not do is admit his own responsibility. It is, in his mind, someone else's fault that he was caught with his trousers literally around his ankles when in reality he is to blame for having put himself in that position. Whether it is written in the statutes or not, the people who elected Mosley expected him not to get mixed up in such scandals. If they had suspected such things it is unlikely that he would have ever been elected president. The fact that he was caught means that he cannot really fulfil the functions of the president and so the two deputy-presidents must stand in for him.

The vote may give the impression that the clubs are condoning Mosley's behaviour but, having spoken to a number of the delegates it is clear that many of those who voted for Mosley did not like the sex scandal that has done dreadful damage to the reputation of the federation. Many believe that Mosley should have been more responsible and feel that he has shown very poor judgement in this respect.

But the fact remains that they also believe (rightly or wrongly) that the FIA has been under attack and that it is their primary duty to defend the federation rather than burying Mosley, as perhaps they should have done. Several delegates said that the institution is more important than any individual or any issue and that if Mosley has survived it is only because they are defending the federation rather than the man himself.

"Today, the full membership of the FIA, both motoring and motor sport, were given the opportunity to express their views on the future of the FIA President," said Richard Woods, FIA Director of Communications. "They exercised their democratic right by way of secret ballot and a decisive majority confirmed their confidence in the President and his mandate. The view repeated time and time again from the members during the Assembly was a categoric rejection of what they felt had been a deliberate attempt to destabilise both him and the FIA. The vote was not a comment on the President's private life but a confirmation that the decision making of the FIA must never be manipulated by external forces who may attempt to undermine its independent authority."

By going down this road the FIA clubs are risking a split in their own number as the big touring clubs are very unhappy and may yet decide to walk away and start their own parallel federation, leaving the FIA as a shadow of its former self with a membership which could end up being a fraction of its current size and a far weaker voice in business and politics.

Both sides argue that democracy is important, but they disagree on what democracy means. The big clubs says that individual members should count while Mosley's men argue that it should be one vote per club, in order to protect the smaller clubs from being dominated by the larger ones. They add that the 50m members of the American Automobile Association do not care about the Mosley Scandal and that no-one has canvassed the motorists to see what they think. This is true, but it is also true that no-one has asked the licence holders of the sporting clubs if they think their federation should support Mosley.

Whatever the story, Mosley remains in office with a mandate to complete his term of office. The FIA may hold together in the short term but could then come apart at the next election if the sporting interests remain in control. The trick will be to find someone who can hold all the clubs together and keep everyone happy. What that will entail is a man who will compromise rather than adopting an aggressive approach. Bernie Ecclestone said before the vote that Mosley will go for re-election in 2009 if he won today, despite what he has said.

Ecclestone may be right. If that happens then the idea that the vote today was a defensive one will be proved not to be true and it will all have been a case of Mosley doing anything he could to hang on to power. Overseeing a transition is one thing, continuing on regardless of what has happened is quite another.

Some clearly already doubt Mosley's motives. The problem is that it is impossible to say whether the FIA would be facing such a mess if Mosley had stood down on the first day of the scandal and it will probably be some time before that can be properly assessed.

One way or the other history will ultimately judge those who made the decision today, just as it will one day judge Mosley.

One can only hope that in the interim all this business does not have a negative effect on the sport.

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I think it illustrates quite clearly that at least 2/3rds of the FIA are living on a different 🤬 planet.

Farcical. I'm glad I stopped really following F1 when I did, and I'm saddened that the glorious GT championships have to be associated with this shower of 🤬.

Did you see any of the BTCC from Croft? That was mental. Are they a part of the FIA?
 
This is a disgrace to everyone that voted for Max and ofcourse Max himself, I'm still hoping that he'll step down himself now, Eddie Jordan in an interview with the BBC reckons he will do anything that Bernie asks him so hopefully he will leave. If not I'm seriously considering ignoring the Montreal GP as a protest, is anyone with me?? Although my will power will probably give in and I'll watch it! And although I dont want to see another 6 car grid like in that US GP but I would support any team that didnt turn up at any motor sport as a protest against this.
 
Did you see any of the BTCC from Croft? That was mental. Are they a part of the FIA?

I didn't... what went on?

The BTCC is a series run under the MSA (or RACMSA) who are the UK's Representative Sporting Member of the FIA. As each club gets a vote, then they will have had one of the 169 votes.

And as it was a secret ballot, we won't know which way they voted. But, as the MSA votes on behalf of its members, I believe they probably made the right choice...
 
I think it illustrates quite clearly that at least 2/3rds of the FIA are living on a different 🤬 planet.

Farcical. I'm glad I stopped really following F1 when I did, and I'm saddened that the glorious GT championships have to be associated with this shower of 🤬.

Tottaly agree :grumpy:
 
I didn't... what went on?

The BTCC is a series run under the MSA (or RACMSA) who are the UK's Representative Sporting Member of the FIA. As each club gets a vote, then they will have had one of the 169 votes.

And as it was a secret ballot, we won't know which way they voted. But, as the MSA votes on behalf of its members, I believe they probably made the right choice...

It was very wet, first race was red flagged. Mat Jackson was lightning in the 2nd race (think it was 2nd), started 19th finished 2nd. Always close racing in the BTCC. Matt Neal went airborne too, as his Seat 'went up' the wheel arch of one of the BMWs.
 
Damn, this is just like adding gasoline into an already huge flame. :grumpy:
Doesn't matter really. If he can't do his job properly, so be it! I think F1 could just be as good (or better) as last year even with all these "scandals" happening around F1. The bottom line is, whatever happens HAPPENS!! You can't rewrite history or turn back time, you just move on with your life until something else happens. All of this is not going to stop me from watching the sport which we all love, and no Mosley or Bernie is going to stop the people from watching F1 either! THE END!! :mad:
 
Well, ADAC are pretty much boycotting he FIA until Mosley is no longer the President, so maybe if other national sporting bodies follow suit, maybe something will happen that way. I think Eddie Jordan put it best when he said Mosley should accept the vote of confidence but step down with what little honour he has intact rather than press on, but after trying to bully the national car clubs into falling in line with him by implying F1 would fail without him, I can't see Max taking Jordan's advice.
Little bit. Like a suckling pig, maybe. Or perhaps I just have an over-active imagination.
 
Max has been awarded £60,000 in damages as the tabloid rag, the News Of The World, was found to have breached Max's privacy by publishing the story about his orgy and for the false accusation that it had a "Nazi" theme or overtones etc.

I maintain my view that Max should have resigned his position as president of the FIA, but I'm happy that the News Of The World has been smacked for what they've done. It's ironic, but if they hadn't broken the story, nobody would be any the wiser, and the fact is that Max has probably been doing this stuff the whole time and it hasn't affected his work (well, aside from maybe not being able to sit at his desk for prolonged periods after a particularly heavy night of ass-whipping, perhaps), but since the story has broken (rightly or wrongly), his reputation and public standing has been irreparably damaged...

Still, I hate The News Of The World and their sickeningly sanctimonious "holier than thou" attitude, as if nobody involved with that tabloid rag would ever do anything as sordid as participate in group sex :rolleyes:

Although I do feel that Max should step down, for his own good as much as the FIA's, I do feel a bit sorry for him having his private business exposed so publicly - but I always remember what the IT guy at my old uni used to say to us regarding our internet surfing habits... "Don't do anything you wouldn't want your mother to know you were doing" ;)
 
I always remember what the IT guy at my old uni used to say to us regarding our internet surfing habits... "Don't do anything you wouldn't want your mother to know you were doing" ;)
Maybe not a good anology in this case...

Don't know about Max's mum, but I'm sure his dad wouldn't mind.
 
Well, maybe a quote from The Larry Sanders Show is more appropriate...

"Sex is not a crime. It’s a loving act between two or more consenting adults.”
 
I still feel that this is such a blatent invasion of privacy, and no newspaper or individual should be publically allowed to print and distribute videos/pictures. What you get up to in your private life is no business of anyone else.

As TM said, he has probably been having group sessions for years with it not affecting his ability to do his job. I don't think he should have to stand down although I'm sure many of his colleagues may not feel the same way now this has come to light, which is a real shame and completely out of order.
 
It's a silly circle - if it wasn't published, nobody would've noticed, it would've continued like always: He'd be doing his job properly (or as properly as he thinks he should - fans always disagree). Now that it was published, they want him to stand down. :rolleyes:
 
Max has posted an article on today's Guardian website, taking a massive swipe at Paul Dacre (editor of the Daily Mail) and the gutter press...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/12/comment-mosley-dacre-press-privacy

Interesting issue - although I personally felt that Max should have stepped down at the time, I do think he is right and that the tabloid press should not have been allowed to make this issue public in the first place... I also think he's doing the right thing by tackling the likes of Dacre, and all the hypocritical, pious and pseudo-puritanical people who write for the tabloid press and have the audacity to call themselves the 'moral guardians' of the nation...
 
He makes a very, very good point.


If he wasn't so interested in castrating the sport he governs, this piece would've won me over.
 
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