oil change lowers pp

[HanibalII92]

Was just wondering whether it was normal for an oil change to lower pp and increase bhp?

 

[eran0004]

Was just wondering whether it was normal for an oil change to lower pp and increase bhp?

It depends on the car.

 

[HanibalII92]

It depends on the car.

Ok well its a cerbera speed 12 '00 model...

Pp went down 22 and hp went up 70ish

 

[eran0004]

Ok well its a cerbera speed 12 '00 model...

Pp went down 22 and hp went up 70ish

Yep, that's normal. Don't know though if it's intended (the cars gets harder to control with more bhp) or a side-effect from how the performance points are calculated.

 

[HanibalII92]

Yep, that's normal. Don't know though if it's intended (the cars gets harder to control with more bhp) or a side-effect from how the performance points are calculated.

kk. I've always found the car a little hard to handle. Even at lower bhp.

 

[iainoflo85]

The Toyota 7 is like that as well - add a Turbo and the PP goes down.

I think it has to do with handling. Because usually you add power and the PP goes up. But these are only two examples, there's probably more though.

 

[mistersafeway]

The Gillet Vertigo does the same thing, I can't think of any other examples though.

 

[iainoflo85]

The Gillet Vertigo does the same thing, I can't think of any other examples though.

Yeah I forgot about that one.

 

[Spirithockey61]

Look at the 1000000bhb x2010. It had -1440pp.

 

[mistersafeway]

Not really sure how that's relevant...

 

[DGXR]

Not really sure how that's relevant...

It's an insanely powerful car with an insanely low PP rating. It seems very relevant to a thread where the OP asks why increasing hp with an oil change might lower a car's PP rating. Maybe it's just me...?

 

[Dan]

Look at the 1000000bhb x2010. It had -1440pp.

That's because the guy that originally made it gave it that HP, then changed the PP value to negative 1400 PP. The game didn't calculate it like that, it was purely done manually.

 

[KinLM]

That's because the guy that originally made it gave it that HP, then changed the PP value to negative 1400 PP. The game didn't calculate it like that, it was purely done manually.

Wrong because the PP cannot be changed manually, it is solely calculated on some advanced formula that nobody knows.

The 10000000000 HP X1 simply glitches the PP system to the point of having negative numbers.

 

[mistersafeway]

Wrong because the PP cannot be changed manually, it is solely calculated on some advanced formula that nobody knows.

The 10000000000 HP X1 simply glitches the PP system to the point of having negative numbers.

That's what I meant when I stated it wasn't relevant. The PP on those cars goes so high it inverts the scale and runs down it instead of up. I think the X2011 used to do it, as there was a way to get 1000 PP (the upper limit) by lowering the downforce to a specific amount.

 

[Com Fox]

I once had the PP problem with my Peugeot 908, If you put a Turbo 3 it lowers PP while putting a Turbo 2 increases.

 

[HanibalII92]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Handling significantly decreased with the Turbo 3

 

[GTV0819]

I once had the PP problem with my Peugeot 908, If you put a Turbo 3 it lowers PP while putting a Turbo 2 increases.

Maybe it produces more HP with Turbo 2 than Turbo 3, just like my Samba Bus, therefore has higher PP AFAIK. The reason for the higher HP in that stage 2 Turbo can be because of the engine, which might be a low to mid revving one, meaning it produces peak torque and peak HP at that rev ranges, respectively.

 

[Harry6784]

The part of the PP calculations is the area under the torque graph. Maybe when you change the power graphs due to putting miles on your car, they can alter PP in funny ways...

 

[HanibalII92]

Maybe it produces more HP with Turbo 2 than Turbo 3, just like my Samba Bus, therefore has higher PP AFAIK. The reason for the higher HP in that stage 2 Turbo can be because of the engine, which might be a low to mid revving one, meaning it produces peak torque and peak HP at that rev ranges, respectively.

No. Turbo 3 produces more BHP, it's just that the car can't handle the increased performance. It's the same in the Cerbera Speed 12. Too much BHP lowers the PP because the handling is greatly diminished.

 

[KinLM]

I once had the PP problem with my Peugeot 908, If you put a Turbo 3 it lowers PP while putting a Turbo 2 increases.

All of you saying that this is all handling based need to look up.

In situations such as the Speed 12, possibly.

But with the 908, the PP is higher with Stage 2 because the car produces about 200 lb. feet of torque MORE than with stage 3. Something like 1,100 lb. feet if tuned correctly. This is why stage 2 gives a higher PP.

 

[GTV0819]

No. Turbo 3 produces more BHP, it's just that the car can't handle the increased performance. It's the same in the Cerbera Speed 12. Too much BHP lowers the PP because the handling is greatly diminished.

Yes. Turbo 3 does produce more HP in most cars that can be fitted with turbo, but some cars, like the Volkswagen Samba Bus, produce more HP with Turbo 2 since the engine produces maximum torque and HP at low-to-mid revs, therefore it's more powerful and has higher PP. And I don't know if having too much HP in a powerful car will reduce your PP. But I'll see that in the game soon.

 

[HanibalII92]

And I don't know if having too much HP in a powerful car will reduce your PP. But I'll see that in the game soon.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Too much bhp effects conrol therefore reduces pp.

 

[KinLM]

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Too much bhp effects conrol therefore reduces pp.

More likely changes torque and peak power levels, rather than handling. Sorta hard for a game to judge handling since that's a personal preference.

 

[GTV0819]

More likely changes torque and peak power levels, rather than handling. Sorta hard for a game to judge handling since that's a personal preference.

And it can be corrected with drivetrain and suspension settings, too, but that depends on every car in the game.