OMG there's something wrong with me!!!! Another film camera!!!!!

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Some may recall a few months ago my post about getting a Nikon F4 on fleabay for cheap.

Not learning much by that experience, I've picked up another film camera, this time one that I craved and salivated over when it came out, but couldn't afford. See, I was a Canon shooter back in the manual-focus days, having picked up an AE-1 with a 50mm f:1.4 from a friend of my sister's for cheap. He got it for his birthday, didn't know what it was, really, and didn't want it. I had a hundred bucks in my pocket, and we arranged a mutually beneficial exchange. Well, it was beneficial to me, anyway.

As Canon came out with cameras, I'd look at them and sigh. The A-1 was quite desirable. The AE-1 Program not so much. A black-top AE-1 would have even been nice!

Then one day they introduced the T90. OMFG I was overcome with WANT!!!:drool: But it was 1100 bucks!!!! In 1986 money! What just-out-of-school-first-real-job kid has that kind of disposable coin layin' around??!?!?

But look: Shutter-priority, aperture-priority, and seven program modes! Stopped down auto-exposure! 1/4000 shutter speed! 1/250 flash sync! Three metering modes! Auto-load, with 4.5 fps film drive! Metal-bladed vertical-travel shutter!

I put exclamations on all of these because while most basic-level digital SLRs these days can at least approach those figures, there was NOTHING in the day except the T90 that even came close.

So anyways, I started watching a few on eBay, and ended up with one for 62 bucks. It's mint, not a mark on it. The seller even left batteries in it! I have a Vivitar 28mm f:2.8 left from my Canon days, had no takers when I sold all my stuff when I went auto-focus. I also picked up a Canon 50mm f:1.4 for about 40 bucks. The lens is perfect, and looks like new.

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All that's left is to shoot! I had a roll of 200 print film left from playing with the Nikon earlier, and ran it through the camera yesterday while walking around my neighborhood, and discovered 2 issues. The camera looks like it shoots about 2 stops under-exposed (yes, the exposure compensation is at 0,) and the Vivitar 28 is crap unless the sun is behind you. Other than that, I'm happy with it! I need to pick up some slide film and play some more, but for now, just a couple of picks from the roll. Also, I've learned how to output to RAW (as .DNG) from my film scanner, and that really helps me get film into Photoshop, including compensating for that underexposure!

What we get for Fall color - just dead leaves. 50mm.
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Also with the 50, a tree with the sun a bit out of frame to the right:
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I then mounted the 28mm and put the sun in the frame. Just to see.... I shot it at f:22, f:11, and f:8, all at 1/250.

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The Vivitar lens seems to have a bit of a flare problem.... And a 5-bladed iris? Really???? But pointed away from the sun it seems to do all right:

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When I got back home my cat was sitting on top of the fence, peering at her domain, and I grabbed this backlit shot. The Vivitar was the wrong lens for it, mostly because I didn't need a wide angle, but the flare became an issue, too. Which didn't show in the viewfinder. By the time I switched to the 50 she'd jumped down, so shooting while the shooting was good turned out to be the right thing.

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I love the camera, and I plan to keep it exercised, even if that means just dry firing it. Word on these is that the shutter gets sticky if not used.

Ergonomically it's no Nikon F4. You have to keep dropping the camera from your eye to look at the LCD display on the top of the body, as the viewfinder shows shutter, aperture, and a metering scale only, no mode information or frame count. It's lighter than the F4, though, and has a reputation for ruggedness, although I don't know that it has as much care in the design for weatherproofing, like o-rings on the buttons, things that the F4 has.

The T90 was very short-lived in the market, though. It came out in 1986, and the Canon EOS auto-focus system came out the following year. Still, it was Canon's most sophisticated manual-focus SLR ever. The F-1 shared some of that sophistication, but not all at once. It had the metering systems, and the AE modes, but you had to change focusing screens and film drives to get different modes; the T90 let you select with a switch rather than a piece of equipment.
 
Oh! Man . . you must be having so much fun . . the T90 was, is, a classic Canon and very tough - very popular when it first came out IIRC.
Now . . . let me get this right - these photos are transparancies? Or . . Positives scanned?
How did you go about it?
Also - you said you used ASA 200 Film - was the camera also set to ASA 200 - or did you try a different ASA for exposure compensation?
 
Color negatives, scanned with a Nikon LS-2000, which I also got on eBay fairly cheaply. It scans at 2700 dpi, so a full frame negative works out to about 6 megapixels. Camera was correctly set to ASA 200 by the DX coding on the film canister.

Processing the roll was about 6 bucks with develop only, no prints or CD. Still, with the film costing about 3 bucks for the roll (in a package of 4) it comes out to between 35 and 40 cents per frame. So the camera and 50/1.4 was just over a hundred bucks, and at a little over ten bucks per 24-exposure roll, you can see that it wouldn't take long to come up with another D7000!

So you never justify the cost of shooting film, but it's fun. It's different, it has a different character, and it takes you back to your roots, as well.
 
Awesome! I've got the film bug too but lately have been too broke to exploit it. I've got a Canon, Nikon, Konica, Olympus and Sears rangefinder. I left my first film camera, the Ricoh with 50mm 1.4 pentax lens, in a motel when I went on vacation around Thanksgiving. Super bummer.

Most those cheap lenses have pretty bad flare, or so I've experienced. My 28mm is no different.
 
Oh wow, memory lane trip there for me. Still have my Canon 1V HS and traded in all the other cameras I had before that. I loved the fact that you could download all the shooting data from that beast despite it being an analogue camera. Only ever shot slide film and still own an Nikon LS5000 scanner. I've actually kept an old Windows XP PC with the totally outdated Nikon scan software to still be able to scan negatives and slides should I need to. Upset with Nikon for not updating their drivers for the software though!

On my trips I used to bring 40-60 rolls (36) of slide film. Customs always gave me bit of a weird look. Switched over to digital and never looked back, though I sometimes miss the results of Velvia. In todays world and with the # of shots I take on any given trip I'd be carrying 200 rolls of 36 slide film. Ouch.

Have fun with your T90!
 
scanned with a Nikon LS-2000

If I may ask, you got it used, right? How much did you pay? Cause those were quite expensive at the time, no Hasslblad expensive, but still...

Oh my AMG had a 5000... lol
 
Seems like I paid about 300 dollars for the LS-2000, not quite 2 years ago. It's since been through a refurbishment for another 100 bucks, from the same eBay seller, when it quit focusing correctly.

When I got my new PC I had to get a PCIe SCSI card for it, and a matching cable, and after d/l-ing some trial software, I bought the pro version of Vuescan to run it. Vuescan also supports my flatbed scanner and the scanner in my all-in-one printer, so same software for different needs. As a standalone app, Vuescan can produce RAW files, and it's also callable from within Photoshop with the File, Import menu.

Canon had a databack for the T90 which would record shooting data, but the only interface made for it was to an MSX home computer, and no other interface was ever made. You could read the data out using the LCD screen and write it down....... The MSX type computer was very popular in Japan, unheard of in North America.
 
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Thx for the PM, I hadn't heard of Vuescan but did read up on Silverfast. I never could work out how to use the filmstrip holder
so I just fed my negative strips in to the LS5000 and scanned them at highest resolution using Nikon's software.

For my slides I decided once and for all to scan these at the highest resolutions possible. Thankfully I purchased the scanner
together with the SF210 and scanning every day I was done after a couple of months. Each file was 130Mb and then I had
to go through the painful process of opening each file to crop out the black border caused by the slide frame. On avg I was left with 110Mb TIFFs.

My old 1998 Nikon scanner (cant remember the model) crashed, it was a SCSI version. Chrashes is perhaps not what happened,
I just could not get it to work anymore with newer computers. At the time there were also issues of getting SCSI in to newer computers
(my memory fails me here). The 2004 5000ED is a USB scanner. Expensive but so worth it at the time.

If I ever need to fire it up again I will keep Vuescan in mind. 👍


Canon had a databack for the T90 which would record shooting data
Didn't know that, my Canon 1V hs also has that capability and they charged an arm & leg for the CD.
Canon still manages to piss me off at times, different chargers, different batteries and now a defunct Angle finder because they increased the size of the viewfinder.
At least the 1Ds III and 1D MkIV share the same batteries & charger. Saves me packing a 2nd charger :)

Edit: ugh I already mentioned the "strike though" part in an earlier post, memory failure.
 
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One possible issue with SCSI is that the device has to be on when the computer powers on. You can then power off the device and bring it back on when you need to use it, but if it's not there when the SCSI card initializes, it will never be there.
About half the time I try my scanner, I have to reboot the computer to reset the SCSI bus and have the scanner present when it resets.
 
Silverfast seems to be awesome ( IT8 Calibration, multi-exp. scan,...)

Then you have ColourNeg from Germany which seems to be very good also, and is for scanning negatives raw and converting them on the PC rather than with the scanning software

I have found an excellent site for all the scanning negatives, sadly for you guys it's in german, maybe google can translate it to something useable
http://www.filmscanner.info/

I have a question, asked in some forums, but scanning forums are not very populated:lol:

Till now I scanned my negatives without any of the hardware gimmicks (ICE, ROC,...), I scan them in pure negative.
The idea behind it is that while most scanner have a quite good enough resolution (mine has an effective resolution of 3250), the algorithm for the conversions is something that still gets update and improved.

Am I totally wrong with that?
 
Vuescan has profiles for film types, as well as "generic." It made a huge difference to correctly select Kodak Kodacolor in the profile, even outputting to RAW.

Vuescan will do multi-pass scans, has IT8 support in the pro version, and supports IR dust removal if the scanner has an IR mode (which mine does.)

I would use ICE, simply to get a more dust-free result. There are always specks, even if you clean it right before scanning, unless you're in an industrial clean-room.

I've set Vuescan to convert my RAW file to a positive as it scans so I can preview the files more easily.

I looked at Silverfast and Vuescan when I upgraded my PC to Win7 (and lost the ability to run Nikon's software on the scanner,) but Silverfast still didn't support my scanner on Windows 7, where Vuescan did. Rather odd for them to tout their software as keeping up with the times, then not keep up with them.....

Oh, um.... on your link to the German site..... If you click the flags at the top you can change the language. :sly: Also, there are many such services in several countries. Using one to scan as you shoot, if you shoot film, might be cost-effective if your time is valuable, but when faced with boxes containing nearly 5000 slides, it becomes a do-it-yourself project.
 
Well, the T90 was a grand experiment, but it's back on eBay. (I call that being reBayed. I reBay a lot of stuff I want to check out.)

After running a couple more half-rolls through it (half of a Velvia 50 and half of a Velvia 100F, the other half of each having been put through my F4) I find it to be consistently underexposed, as mentioned in the first post, but I had 4 frames that were almost black! One of those was the only time I attempted the maximum 1/4000 shutter, and the others I simply can't explain. But 4 out of 36 is too high a failure rate to make the camera useful. Two of those black frames were in the same subject, and followed by another frame at the same subject area, with the same metering shown in the viewfinder, and usable exposure.

Here's some of what I shot, with exposure mostly compensated for between the scanning process and some Photoshop boost.

1/250@f:6.7 shutter-priority, Canon 70-210@210mm, Velvia 50

Underexposure is evident here:

1/60@f:11 shutter-priority, Vivitar 28mm, Velvia 50

Yet when I turned around and shot this one from the same spot, it's much better exposed....

1/60@f:6.7 shutter-priority, Vivitar 28mm, Velvia 50

Mounted the 70-210 and a cheapie 2x to get this. Not fully zoomed, lens was about 150mm, for 300 final length:

1/180@f:8 shutter-priority, Canon 70-210@150mm + 2x teleconvertor, Velvia 50

Couple of shots from our regular local car club meet downtown. I have not cropped these or tried to make "good" pics out of them, just posting what got shot.

Exposure unrecorded, Vivitar 28mm, Velvia 50


Exposure unrecorded, Vivitar 28mm, Velvia 50


1/250@f:8 shutter-priority, Canon 70-210 @ 210mm, Velvia 100F


1/250@f:8 aperture-priority, Canon 50mm, Velvia 100F


1/250@f:5.6 shutter-priority, Canon 70-210 @ ~85mm, Velvia 100F

OK, so you're asking, "Gee, Walter, what's wrong with the camera? You said there was a problem?"

At the same park with that last scene, I got this shot of a nearby oak tree, using the 28mm lens:

1/250@f:4 shutter-priority, Vivitar 28mm, Velvia 100F

and when I opened up the lens to force a fast shutter speed at the marina, I got this, which looks to me like inconsistent blade speed on the shutter:

1/4000@f:2.8 aperture-priority, Canon 50mm, Velvia 100F

There were a couple of issues on the roll of 50, too, but you see what I'm up against. I don't want to use a camera that I know is going to give me crap about 10% of the time. So back to the void it goes. Bids are already up to nearly what I gave for it, and there are 4 days left. I may try another one, because I was really impressed with the camera, and I like the feel of it. It's lighter than my F4 so if it worked, I might use it for things I don't want to lug the F4 around for. And of course I have picked up some stuff for it, including the 50mm mentioned in the first post, and later a 70-210 (not a remarkable lens, but a good one,) a cheap 2x converter (waste of glass,) and the 300TL flash that was made specifically for the T90 (that set me back all of 23 dollars!) so I have accessories I can either reBay, or keep for another try with another T90.....
 
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