online is getting VERY VERY frustrating now..

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Dang that sounds terrible. :crazy: I cant even imagine trying to play a game thats that frustrating online. Hopefully they get it right for the final version of the game. This is their very first attempt at online gaming so I have a feeling it could be rough without the proper room settings.
 
I'd just like to apologise to anyone who thought I was something to do with the two numpsies from GB driving white 07 Impreza's tonight on Fuji 600 Pro. Unfortunately I was driving a white Impreza too, and from the UK, and I wouldn't want anyone to think that I was anything to do with them. I think their names were RPM?? and Odball666. After being punted out of the way on numerous occasions by them I think that people were starting to think that I was something to do with them after I started hitting back. On top of that a third person spent the whole race driving the wrong way around the track. Online is looking less and less attractive...
 
No worries. I actually contacted one of them, his name was RPM_crx. He punted me as well, and other GTP members.

About online racing: I know Polyphony doesn't contact the outside world at all, but if they would just put up a statement that they know about the state of things in online and are working on a solution, I'd be so happy.
 
Isnt there a way to set it so you have no collisions or no damage? Or private rooms? I realize this is their first game online but they have to know that collisions off or damage off is a must for some people just to avoid this "punting" your talking about.
 
There's neither of those things mate. And it would be so easy. The host is one of the players anyway, so why not make someone be the host by setup, let him open a private race and let his mates join by password. Has been done for ages, works great.
 
the Interceptor
There's neither of those things mate. And it would be so easy. The host is one of the players anyway, so why not make someone be the host by setup, let him open a private race and let his mates join by password. Has been done for ages, works great.
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Thats a shame and it truly is the difference between a game doing real well online and a game doing terrible online. They need to get this right before they release the game. I havent played GT5P yet but without collisions off or damage off I can already imagine how it would be online. And it would not be enjoyable without those 3 manditory options. They really need to learn to listen to the community.
 
Hahaha, great thread. Yea I stopped playing online after a few short weeks cause of the garbage on there. Won't touch it again until private rooms are here and I can race with fewer drivers and have more quality races with my CLEAN friends 👍 It won't have any impact on whether I will buy GT5 or not, I will regardless cause offline mode is always solid and really enjoyable. Plus they just MIGHT make the AI useful, lol.

You know its funny, I race online with my pc on GT Legends and GTR II in the same 'random' environment and I NEVER have 1/100th of one percent of incidents I do with GT5P...hhmm......food for thought :)

Jerome
 
I'd love to see them make optional Auto-Boot races where if you so much as even touch another car, you are immediately black flagged and booted out of the race. Or maybe alow up to three times, then kicked out. The punters would soon learn to avoid these races and keep to their own demo-derbies.
 
^^^

And then the punters would turn into brake-checkers.

Plus if PD can't even determine if you're taking a short cut or just merging back onto the track after being booted off, how are they going to determine which person needs to be kicked?
 
the Interceptor
The host is one of the players anyway, so why not make someone be the host by setup, let him open a private race and let his mates join by password. Has been done for ages, works great.
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I hate that option on PC, but I know some console games have it, too. But what is it good for? If you host a game you can set player number and invite your buddies, no other could join anyways. So what's the PW good for, you just eliminate the chance to encounter any new good players after one or two of your mates eventually left. Tell me WHY?
CAMAROBOY69
Thats a shame and it truly is the difference between a game doing real well online and a game doing terrible online. They need to get this right before they release the game. I havent played GT5P yet but without collisions off or damage off I can already imagine how it would be online.
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OK 1st there is no damage, yet. OK 2nd turn off collisions would be nice, especially if you about to race unknown people 👍
 
H20HYBRID_GT
I hate that option on PC, but I know some console games have it, too. But what is it good for? If you host a game you can set player number and invite your buddies, no other could join anyways. So what's the PW good for, you just eliminate the chance to encounter any new good players after one or two of your mates eventually left. Tell me WHY?
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Sorry, I don't see the big difference between what you and what I suggested.
 
Jump_Ace
You know its funny, I race online with my pc on GT Legends and GTR II in the same 'random' environment and I NEVER have 1/100th of one percent of incidents I do with GT5P...hhmm......food for thought :)
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Doesn't take much thought really, those games don't have anywhere near the user base of GT, and they're much more specialised games.

I don't wish to slate anyone's favourite car with the comment that follows, but the sort of people who are suddenly let loose with Mitsubishi Evos, Imprezas and Ford GTs aren't exactly the sort of people you'd expect to race cleanly.

In addition, PC games have been online for years and the sort of people who use them have probably been racing online for years and learned etiquette the hard way - if you play dirty you get kicked out.

For most people racing online on the PS3 (including myself) it's probably their first taste of online racing so they're unlikely to be well versed in clean racing having raced AI for years who don't get annoyed when you punt them off.
 
OK and 3rd the online isn't anywhere near that bad like it sounds in this thread.
I for one had some of the best races ever over the last couple of days. I admire most the players from [JP] for their patience and skill not to hit the player in front , even when they're faster. By far the best races i had the luck to participate yet where with the (now) legendary TEW, epic! One race three of them where fighting so hard and close so they took each other out ( by accident ) and I took the win luckily :sly:


PS.Sorry if that's a double post, but I don't know how to write more than just the few letters above on PS3 and i sometimes would like to write as much is needed to make my point clear. Which in this case would be online in GT5:P is really not that bad, if everyone shows a bit patience and doesn't go all or nothing each corner 👍 :bowdown:
 
the Interceptor
Sorry, I don't see the big difference between what you and what I suggested.
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Thats exactly the problem here i think... Just tell me why you need a password, i told you why i think thats a pretty bad idea. Now maybe you can agree that theres not really a need for a PW or explain it to me, I don't get it?
 
Well, there has to be some way to prevent random players from entering the game you set up as a host. Putting on a password is one of those ways.
 
the Interceptor
Well, there has to be some way to prevent random players from entering the game you set up as a host. Putting on a password is one of those ways.
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Sure, but you don't need a PW for. I say make it easy and you say no you'd rather have it complicated? How do you let a random player enter, if you wish. You can't ... You'd have to make a new room, invite all your friens back and then search for new players( hopefully good ones). On the other side if you only want to play with friends , you just set the number. Thats one system, one room. What you say are two differrent systems, two differrent rooms. Why so complicated?
 
homeforsummer
Doesn't take much thought really, those games don't have anywhere near the user base of GT, and they're much more specialised games.

I don't wish to slate anyone's favourite car with the comment that follows, but the sort of people who are suddenly let loose with Mitsubishi Evos, Imprezas and Ford GTs aren't exactly the sort of people you'd expect to race cleanly.

In addition, PC games have been online for years and the sort of people who use them have probably been racing online for years and learned etiquette the hard way - if you play dirty you get kicked out.

For most people racing online on the PS3 (including myself) it's probably their first taste of online racing so they're unlikely to be well versed in clean racing having raced AI for years who don't get annoyed when you punt them off.
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homeforsummer your words are so full of wisdom

yes those who have been racing pc sims online for years have been been throrougly trained by many ejections and bannings to become clean racers.

GT5P online can be compared to a lawless war torn country while PC sims can be compared to a small town with a sherrif that watches your every move.

In NASCAR 2003 online it is very important to keep your nose clean as one mistake can take out 20+ cars. That's 20 really angry people. And you can bet on an ejection or a ban if it was on purpose.

I've said it once I'll say it again, you're average GT5P punter wouldn't last a single day racing a hardcore PC sim online. But I'm guessing because GT5P is more mainstream punting isn't taken as seriously so drivers tend to not care if they do it or not.
 
I would say a ranking / rating system should be implemented on all who are registered . Let it show wins , loses , how many times quit , how many times they disconnected from being host, and I can only assume tracking a drivers ettiquette on line would be feasable , maybe ? . and by this , the host would have the option of booting the " not so good " , it's just food for thought . Just a quick little add-on , in my experience of on-line play , I have noticed the Japanese , UK , ESP. are more respectful than the Americans,sorry to say.
 
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homeforsummer your words are so full of wisdom
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Why thank yaw.

I've said it once I'll say it again, you're average GT5P punter wouldn't last a single day racing a hardcore PC sim online. But I'm guessing because GT5P is more mainstream punting isn't taken as seriously so drivers tend to not care if they do it or not.
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The pity is I guess that many of the casual gamers who could become good racers are put off from playing because they spend most of their races being punted off, whereas the people who punt on purpose or those who punt because they're too stupid to be let near the game continue and make it difficult for the genuine fans.

This is why private rooms are the only way. Cuts out the plebs.
 
homeforsummer
Why thank yaw.



The pity is I guess that many of the casual gamers who could become good racers are put off from playing because they spend most of their races being punted off, whereas the people who punt on purpose or those who punt because they're too stupid to be let near the game continue and make it difficult for the genuine fans.

This is why private rooms are the only way. Cuts out the plebs.
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OK then I have the same question, which still has no answer for you aswell: How does a newcomer to GT ( maybe one that could once become good/ is talented) enter this room ?
In my opinion this whole idea would turn GT into a PC like Sim, which there are already many and also would destroy a big part of the idea of console racing games social interaction. Simple question is how does someone that doesn't use boards like this or doesn't speak English enter ? I doubt PD will pull this off anyway:)
 
Good point H2O.

GT5P online is very much like playing a round of golf, at least for me. Overall a frustrating and disappointing experience, but usually containing a few moments of sublime joy that keep me coming back for more.
 
H20HYBRID_GT
OK then I have the same question, which still has no answer for you aswell: How does a newcomer to GT ( maybe one that could once become good/ is talented) enter this room ?
In my opinion this whole idea would turn GT into a PC like Sim, which there are already many and also would destroy a big part of the idea of console racing games social interaction. Simple question is how does someone that doesn't use boards like this or doesn't speak English enter ? I doubt PD will pull this off anyway:)
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Here is how I see it. First on the PW. This should be a option, to be used for a special event. Like a racing series. It would keep out the drivers who don't relize what they are getting into and keep out the drivers who want to disrupt the event. Sometimes you just want to run with a small group of friends. But have open rooms the rest of the time. If there is a idiot driver you can always boot and ban them. Now with open rooms, you can watch other drivers and see who has potential and invite them to your friends list. This way you can help them along. This brings us back to private rooms as you can help one on one with no interlopers. Also once they are on your friends list, you can invite them into a race. This way you can fill a open room with drivers you trust.
 
H20HYBRID_GT
Sure, but you don't need a PW for. I say make it easy and you say no you'd rather have it complicated?
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I never said no to what you posted!? :confused:

H20HYBRID_GT
How do you let a random player enter, if you wish. You can't ... You'd have to make a new room, invite all your friens back and then search for new players( hopefully good ones). On the other side if you only want to play with friends , you just set the number. Thats one system, one room. What you say are two differrent systems, two differrent rooms. Why so complicated?
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Sorry, I don't get what you want from me. :dunce:
 
All you need to is to be able to kick people. As soon as punters are kicked from 6 games in succession they might start to get the message. Room names will help too, ie 'GTP Only', or even 'Smash Fest' for the punters to get their rocks off. In addition, allow people in by invite only, the same as it works on GTA (when it works!!). You can allocate the number of private slots you have in a game - which can be all of them (16 I think). One thing, I think mic chat will certainly help, as soon as people loose that in-game anonymity that GT5P gives them things may start to clean up?
 
@ kart racer

Fair enough. Thats a straight answer and would probably work like you say. Only problem i see is that this might be difficult implementing in GT5P, technically. PD promised invite option and voice chat, which alone would help a lot enjoying online more. As for options id prefer the ability to turn collisions off, that would hurt the idiots more than anything :) All i say is PD should keep it as simple as possible, better simple and working than lots of options and not working, hope makes sense?

@ the Interceptor
Just wanted a straight answer, that's all.
I just think GT should never be like a PC sim, which in my experience can be very frustrating regarding online and extremely time consuming . Console games should be easy to pick up, not like GTR and other PC games :nervous:
Dont get me wrong GTR is great, but for me (a consolero ) the online sucks. Alone the blatant insults and not starting the race or starting over and over again-after an endless hour of qualifications is only frightning !
 
H20HYBRID_GT
@ the Interceptor
Just wanted a straight answer, that's all.
I just think GT should never be like a PC sim, which in my experience can be very frustrating regarding online and extremely time consuming . Console games should be easy to pick up, not like GTR and other PC games
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Ah, so you want to have private rooms, but make the system as easy as possible to keep the game on a get-up-and-go level. I certainly agree with that, and an online room system doesn't have to be complicated. There are many ways to go for PD, I just hope they actually do something.
 
the Interceptor
Ah, so you want to have private rooms, but make the system as easy as possible to keep the game on a get-up-and-go level. I certainly agree with that, and an online room system doesn't have to be complicated. There are many ways to go for PD, I just hope they actually do something.
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Yep, that pretty much sums it up. That was a long way for us to agree on something, was it? :lol:
 
I'd have to say that, while I agree that lobbies are necessary, I also agree on the part that says strictly private rooms might make people miss racing with some of the best out there, and know new people, making it harder to have fresh meat join us.

Best solution for me would be what someone already mentioned on this thread; having players stats, that mark them with a number of tags that anyone can access on the lobby by clicking on the player.
Of course, for this to be viable, PD would first have to improve (a lot) on the penaly system, so people don't get erroneous info attached to their ID. Info on the number that person quitted as host would be nice.
Also, info on average finish position for drivers, etc.

With all this, someone could open a lobby, invite any friends he wants to, and still have an option for letting anyone looking for a race in that lobby, as long as it matched certain qualifications, for instance.



Another thing for people that ask for longer online races, like 10 or 20-lap races...
Do you seriously believe it would be a nice thing to have, the way things are now?
Spending a 20-lap race watching people lag everywhere, or being on the last after 30 or more minutes of hard racing, and having the host quit because he couldn't win?
That'll only be feasable (sp?) if/when PD gets dedicated servers instead of relying on some douche to host races and make everyone else depend on their mood and maturity (not to mention the stability of their connection).
 
the Interceptor
Ah, so you want to have private rooms, but make the system as easy as possible to keep the game on a get-up-and-go level. I certainly agree with that, and an online room system doesn't have to be complicated. There are many ways to go for PD, I just hope they actually do something.
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PD should buy a copy of RR7. RR7's online lobby and rooms though not perfect give a very good baseline. eg the host 'closes' the room at any time so that it is invite only and can set it back to 'open' at any time.
 

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