Online Racing: INVISIBLE CARS!!!!

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It seems to be getting worse, and I can't figure out what will resolve the issue. If you race with the same people all the time, occasionally someone is missing from the track.

10 people in the lobby...
Driver 1 sees 10 people on the track (upper left side of display says X/10).
Driver 2 sees 10 people on the track (upper left side of display says Y/10).
Driver 3 sees 9 people on the track (upper left side of display says Z/9).

Race starts and Driver 2 starts yelling at Driver 3 that he pushed him off the track. Driver 3 claims he didn't see Driver 2 at all. Driver 1 sides with driver 2 because he saw the incident involving both cars. Everyone continues the discussion and it turns out only 6 of the 10 drivers can see all 10 drivers on the track. Of the 4 that are missing drivers, it isn't always the same ones.

We have been experiencing this in private lobbies and public lobbies. Is there anything that can be done to resolve it? Is PD even aware of the bug?

I see all these threads popping up about bad drivers...when it simply could be that its a bad network and drivers don't see everyone they are racing on the track.
 
Serious lag. Saw this happen myself. Kicked 'em all out. :)
 
It is possible, it happened in a racing series I'm in to someone, only he could only see two people :boggled:
 
I know, that happens all the time on some servers. Especially when manny people exit, and people join again. Or when the room changes host. Soultion, re-enter the server, or clear the cache files in gt5. I dont know if its lag, in that case the clear cache or re-enter the server wouldnt work...
 
A friend of mine joined one of my lobbies ~4-5 days ago and my lobby filled up within 2-3 minutes of opening it... he was 3rd or 4th in and ONLY saw me... so i kept saying like "hey this guy's got blah blah nice car with a nice paint color..." and he kept saying "dude what are you talking about its only us in here.." so he rejoins the game and next thing we know he can see everyone in the lobby, really weird stuff.. happens a lot too
 
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A friend of mine joined one of my lobbies ~4-5 days ago and my lobby filled up within 2-3 minutes of opening it... he was 3rd or 4th in and ONLY saw me... so i kept saying like "hey this guy's got blah blah nice car with a nice paint color..." and he kept saying "dude what are you talking about its only us in here.." so he rejoins the game and next thing we know he can see everyone in the lobby, really weird stuff.. happens a lot too
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This. Its not lag, its a bug, that have been there since the beggining.
 
Yeah it isn't lag, because as driver 1 (who can see all the cars) no one is lagging or jumpy on the track.

i'm not sure who is supposed to leave though. I've had guys leave and come back over and over again and still not be able to see certain drivers. Then i've had both driver 2 and driver 3 leave and come back and sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't. Maybe the room needs to be reset?

It gets infinitely worse when the lobby hosts leaves and it transitions to another host.
 
if you notice that someone is stuck 'loading' 'forever' while you are in the lobby ie. bars under their name going right to left, this is a good indication that you will NOT see everyone on the track. that person may or may not actually be stuck 'loading' but it seems your connection does not see theirs and this 'breaks' the connection to other drivers who you may be seeing through this person. it's convoluted, I know.

i haven't done enough experimenting but i wonder if having 'fixed host' would help this issue.
 
I'm going to try 'fixed host' tonight...but you can't choose that with a private lobby so you are stuck dealing with pubbers. I was under the impression that 'fixed host' meant the lobby would close when the creator left the room.
 
that is one of the effects of fixed host (lobby closing when host leaves) but i wonder if it also means that all connections go through the host first. ie. driver a to host to driver b, driver b to host to driver c. so as long as the host does not see anyone stuck loading, all would be ok.

just speculatin
 
we shall see tonight. I'll take poles as to how many racers everyone sees before the race starts.
 
Yeah, we will see. If many people are exiting and joining continously, then this problem is getting worse.
 
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recently i have also had this problem since orange broadband changed there severs and are blocking p2p servers.

this also affects ps3. ! :grumpy:
 
Well, online gaming is peer to peer i guess...
 
Last night I hosted the room as a public lobby with "fixed host" on. Aside from one race with a full grid where my game started lagging like crazy things were better than using the private lobby. The lag race was wierd, it was Suzuka (no weather). My car was competitive all night and I put down some decent qualifying laps, then when the race started, people were passing me straight up on the outside of the esses like I wasn't even moving. Even on the straights I had no power. After 3 laps of my car fumbling around the track I gave up. Everything was very choppy and distracting. The next race, things were fine again.
 
The online mode works worse in gt5 than other games, many people say that as well. So there are problems now and then, and it hardly matters if people come from abroad and playing on the servers. I played forza 3 all the time, and it never lagged etc.
 
I know this happens to me all the time. Usually, I would leave and come back and it would be ok. Lately, i still don't see people. Usually, it is people from other countries that I cannot see. (I too notice the loading bar issue, and know that I cannot see them if it stays that way)

I just find it funny that you can see everybody in the lobby, but then when you go on the track, you cannot anymore.
 
I had so bad of lag once, that out of 16 people I was the only one I could see. I had completely lagged out of the room
 
You can only see who's on the track when you're on the track.
 
Well yes, but when you are in the lobby (off track) you can see the names of the people who are on track as well. Then, you go on track and they are gone.
 
I have this problem all the time. I hate telling people on here because everyone's like "youre lagging" or "clear your cache". I have a very good connection and clearing my cache/leaving and coming back never works.
 
Lol, the first time i had this problem i was winning a race, at the end i saw the winning message of a guy who wasn't even on the track LOL
It's really common lately, some days ago for example, full room, a friend could see only 6 people.

Don't know the real reason but it's really annoying, and (from my experience) most of the time the exit-rejoin doesn't work, usually i have to exit the game - disconnect from psn and restart the router.

Anyway, remember this:
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if you notice that someone is stuck 'loading' 'forever' while you are in the lobby ie. bars under their name going right to left, this is a good indication that you will NOT see everyone on the track.
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This is always the first sign.
Also, when you can't see someone, that someone can't see you.
 
I have noticed this sometimes happening when people from other countries join the room so I'm wondering if maybe that could be an issue as well?
 
chuyler1
Last night I hosted the room as a public lobby with "fixed host" on. Aside from one race with a full grid where my game started lagging like crazy things were better than using the private lobby. The lag race was wierd, it was Suzuka (no weather). My car was competitive all night and I put down some decent qualifying laps, then when the race started, people were passing me straight up on the outside of the esses like I wasn't even moving. Even on the straights I had no power. After 3 laps of my car fumbling around the track I gave up. Everything was very choppy and distracting. The next race, things were fine again.
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This happens to me all the time
 
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I have noticed this sometimes happening when people from other countries join the room so I'm wondering if maybe that could be an issue as well?
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Well, i dont think so, i have heard about this problem when all players are from the same coiuntry as well, like the US, Canada etc. And many others have confirmed, that when you re-enter the server, maybe one or two times, this problem is fixed som how, so it cant be due to latency.
 
KWZX10
Also, when you can't see someone, that someone can't see you.
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Not true...and this is why it gets frustrating. Someone might hit you and not even know you were on the track. They drive through cars without budging an inch.
 
Chuyler... since this happens to me a lot... we need to post up replays of the same race. One from me and one from you. Assuming you see everybody and I don't. I want to see the difference.
 
Ok, Do you remember a race this occured on this week? I saved a bunch of them.
 
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