Opera S2000 street legal?

[Racedude]

Look, a wrangler with a roll cage... racing in Baja.

Roll Cage = Racing Vehicle

Completely stock. Completely road legal. I'm pretty sure cars other than the Wrangler also came with rollcages as standard.

 

[powell145]

Wow - nobody ever said anything about having downforce = NOT street legal.

The comment was simply that the reason people WHINE about the Opera S2000 online and such when compared against other non-TUNER cars because most tuners have FRONT downforce and as a result better than normal street car grip/balance etc.

Again this has NOTHING to do with street legal or non - jez... .lol

 

[TakumiFuji01]

The Opera Performance S2000 is Street Legal but it's a track car, there's actual pictures of the itself but with Enkei Rims instead. The car handles like J's Racing. The car is a track car running Street Radials(Sports Hard & Comfort Soft are like Soft Compounds like AD07, RE-01R and etc)

 

[jaycee_xr3]

Wow - nobody ever said anything about having downforce = NOT street legal.

The comment was simply that the reason people WHINE about the Opera S2000 online and such when compared against other non-TUNER cars because most tuners have FRONT downforce and as a result better than normal street car grip/balance etc.

Again this has NOTHING to do with street legal or non - jez... .lol

👍 Your comment reflects what I was thinking about this.

 

[powell145]

It is. Especially when the Opera S2000 doesn't even have adjustable front downforce.

But does it have front downforce? I'm not in front of my PS3 so I can't check.

If it doesn't even have front D/F this thread shouldn't even exist no question it would be a normal street car then IMO.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

But does it have front downforce? I'm not in front of my PS3 so I can't check.

If it doesn't even have front D/F this thread shouldn't even exist no question it would be a normal street car then IMO.

The exterior mods(excluding the MUGEN Hardtop, Opera GT-Wing & MUGEN Hood), there pretty much stock but the engine(equipped with ITBs), and pretty much Opera's in-house parts are used and the car interior is stripped too but it's able to run pretty good on the equipped Street Radials. It's like the Amuse S2000 R1, most people say it's a race car because of the exterior look(Like Carbon Fiber Hood, Amuse Carbon Fiber Hardtop, Amuse Carbon Fiber GT-Wing, Square Craft Mirrors, Amuse Carbon Fiber Trunk & Amuse Front Bumper with downforce in front) but it's a actually a Street Legal car which is based on the one from that was shown on Hot Version. That car has it's interior panels and materials in-tact, the A/C, Radio is still in-tact which makes it a Street Car plus the GT-Wing doesn't pass the car's width which will result as in Street Legal

 

[Bottoz]

... Completely stock. Completely road legal. I'm pretty sure cars other than the Wrangler also came with rollcages as standard.

That's not a roll cage, that's a roll bar. There is a difference. 4 point roll bar vs 6 and 8 point roll cages.

 

[Racedude]

That's not a roll cage, that's a roll bar. There is a difference. 4 point roll bar vs 6 and 8 point roll cages.

Six points.

Attached to the A Pillars:

The floor, just below the B pillars:

Over the wheels, not sure if I can call it fender, below the C pillars.

It is obviously symmetrical, so there are six points. Anything else? And, yes I just took those pictures.

 

[NicoLoeb]

I think you need to draw a clear definition between a car that is street legal and a street car. All WRC cars are street legal, they have to be to comply with WRC rules, but I wouldn't want to try racing one in a street car.

 

[yzfmike]

Okay, I have no idea how you guys got where u are. I was talking about a full blown FIA or SCCA Spec roll cage in a car. Outside of rally's that go down streets between stages. It is not legal in a regular everyday car. The Jeep thing is way out there. The Jeep has the roll bars to meet federal standards since it has no other body framing on it. A convertible Mustang has roll hoops, same as the BMW Z4 convertible. Besides I was using that has an example anyways. The point is we are talking about a street legal car that is tuned to the point of being almost an illegal street car. If he goes to the limit of the rulebook so be it.

 

[Brend]

Street Legal.

 

[Bottoz]

Six points.

In racing, that would not qualify as a proper cage. Roll bar, yes. Not a roll cage. A-pillar attachments to the folding windshield would not pass a tech inspection. And the rear attachments to the thin wheel well would not qualify as a solid roll cage mounting point. The Jeep Wrangler has a roll bar. A fancy one, but a roll bar, not a roll cage.

As for roll cages in street legal cars... I could reinstall my headlights and stock seat belts in my race car, add insurance for it and it would be street legal. It's a race car, that competes in wheel to wheel racing.... with a cage. I wouldn't... but I could. Street Legal Race Car*.


*--- in Colorado. Laws vary from state to state.

 

[NicoLoeb]

Same in the uk. Having a roll cage wouldn't affect the car's legality.

 

[Machate-man]

It's like the Amuse S2000 R1, most people say it's a race car because of the exterior look(Like Carbon Fiber Hood, Amuse Carbon Fiber Hardtop, Amuse Carbon Fiber GT-Wing, Square Craft Mirrors, Amuse Carbon Fiber Trunk & Amuse Front Bumper with downforce in front) but it's a actually a Street Legal car which is based on the one from that was shown on Hot Version. That car has it's interior panels and materials in-tact, the A/C, Radio is still in-tact which makes it a Street Car plus the GT-Wing doesn't pass the car's width which will result as in Street Legal

Then why is there a "Street Version" of the R1 available? If the R1 were street legal, then what is currently the "street version" would only be a toned-down version of the R1, and would likely be called something else.

Basically:
If R1 = Street legal, then Street Version = unnecessary.

 

[Drevenger]

In GT5 , its not a "normal" car, so no.

In real life, its most likely no since OP and I live in a country with very weird laws and reglementations.

But i'm aware its probably street legal someplaces.

 

[Sohvakettu]

Then why is there a "Street Version" of the R1 available? If the R1 were street legal, then what is currently the "street version" would only be a toned-down version of the R1, and would likely be called something else.

Basically:
If R1 = Street legal, then Street Version = unnecessary.

Could be for marketing reasons. "All models are street legal but the Street Version is the sensible one" kind of thing.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Street legal.

I have this problem with the Amuse S2000 R1. People barking on about it not being a road car, it's a race car, it's a race car because it has downforce etc etc.

No.

It is very much road legal, comes with road tyres, comes with a full interior like any other road legal car, and it DOES NOT have adjustable downforce.

By some people's definitions, most exotics and supercars should be banned, since many come with adjustable downforce (and front downforce as standard) and stripped out interiors.

Just because it has decals on it, does not make it a race car. If I went and put stickers or an advert, or a front splitter and sideskirts on my Ford Focus, that doesn't automatically make it a race car. What are these same people's opinions on extra stripped down and tuned versions of already fast cars with track days in mind? Why are they ok, and tuner's are not? Surely it's the same thing, just done in house.

At the end of it, my Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon, R34 M-spec and BMW M3 GTR are slightly faster on lap times than my S2000 R1, so it doesn't have an advantage either.

 

[thechosenwonton]

Amuse S2000 is street legal, but I personally have entered that car against full on race cars @ 600pp and won, handily, multiple times online. It isn't technically a race car, of course, but on pace alone, its one of the fastest cars in the game (when tuned), period.

So the host was likely just wanting a more even playing field. As I said before, hosts says don't run it, I don't run it. I have plenty of cars I like driving that are still fast, but I don't like winning by 10+ seconds anymore than the rest of the room.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Amuse S2000 is street legal..... full on race cars @ 600pp and won multiple times online.

Are you on about the GT1, because the R1 'Titan' only goes up to 542pp. When compared to 540-550pp road cars, it is no faster than the norm you see in 550pp road car rooms (M3's, Evora's, etc.)

Like I said, I can match and beat the R1 S2000's lap time with a station wagon.

 

[Bottoz]

Here's the Opera S2000 before:

After: Hi Kaz!

Race Car. Steet Legal. Seam Welded, Lightened, Roll Caged, Street Legal Race Car.

 

[thechosenwonton]

Are you on about the GT1, because the R1 'Titan' only goes up to 542pp. When compared to 540-550pp road cars, it is no faster than the norm you see in 550pp road car rooms (M3's, Evora's, etc.)

Like I said, I can match and beat the R1 S2000's lap time with a station wagon.

Yes, the GT1, of course. Don't have all the car names memorized, so as far as I knew, it was called the R1.

 

[watermelon punch]

I don't think the issue here is whether it is street legal or not, or whether it's built for racing, or not. (Both may be true.)

The real issue & question here is... is it a fair choice in a street legal road car race?

Clearly, it's better than the regular s2000. I surely wouldn't consider it to be a "fair race" if you pitted the Opera against a regular non tuned s2000.
So if anyone claims that would be "a fair race" - then that's where people are going to start scoffing!!

 

[thechosenwonton]

Hmm... good point, I think tonight when I get off work I will take my "tuned" regular S2000 @ 500pp and see if I can beat a stock Opera with it (at the same PP, so whatever I have to do to get it to 500pp). Don't think I have ever drove the Opera, sad to say.

 

[watermelon punch]

Hmm... good point, I think tonight when I get off work I will take my "tuned" regular S2000 @ 500pp and see if I can beat a stock Opera with it (at the same PP, so whatever I have to do to get it to 500pp). Don't think I have ever drove the Opera, sad to say.

I don't think I have either actually!

I think it would be an interesting test to try both at the same PP & see how they match up...

My guess is that the Opera is just better, because, well, it's built for racing... ?

At any rate, yeah, my point is, I don't think what the OP encountered in the race he won was actually people accusing him of using a non street legal car. I think by "race car" they meant "cheater car" in a sense... because it's just a better choice than other street cars.
Something like that at any rate.

So I think the argument is off, to try & prove that it's "fair" by saying it's street legal.

I mean the Mazda Furai concept... is that street legal? It's supposedly not a race car per se... But clearly pitting it against a Lupo would be madness. LOL LOL LOL

The Veyron is street legal... but is it fair against a lot of other cars?

 

[FCWC]

yzfmike -
Can you supply actual state code from any state that it is illegal to have a roll cage in your vehicle?
As this would b the first I ever heard of that.
And after a quick search I can't find anywhere that says that - accept individuals.

IF that were the case Maine wouldn't have Rally racing...

As far as the OG post.
Isnt it simple. IF you can run the car in a seasonal NON RACE CAR ALLOWED event and then its a street car. Above & Beyond that it is the servers choice.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I've just done a very quick test. I'll try this with the Opera in a little bit and give some feedback.

* Took the Amuse R1 S2000 that I've been using for a while.
* Took my fully tuned regular S2000 from the premium dealership, with all aero parts installed.
* Copied all the settings of the R1 and put the pasta on to the regular S2000.

The only exception here is that thw wing on the regular S2000 can be adjusted. I tuned both cars to 525pp and took them for a spin.

While they both drive differently - the Amuse R1 is perfectly balanced and grips the corners and bumps, and the Honda struggles with understeer, both cars achieved the same lap time.

I'm about to go and do the same with the Opera, and post more specific details about the set up and lap times. As far as I can see however, the tuner's cars pose no advantage. Also, as I stated before, I have several 'normal' cars that match or beat my Amuse R1 at the same PP level.

 

[watermelon punch]

Interesting.

Except here's the stock specs for these cars

Amuse R1 S2000
468pp / 271 HP / 1120 kg / 249 Nm / 180 W/kg

Opera S2000
485pp / 275 HP / 930 kg / 244 Nm / 220 W/kg

On paper, out of the box, the Opera is starting with the ballpark same torque, but a better power to weight ratio.


And I can't speak for all states... But I'm 99.9% sure roll cages are street legal in Connecticut (at least they were some years ago). And 100% sure they're legal in Pennsylvania.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

Then why is there a "Street Version" of the R1 available? If the R1 were street legal, then what is currently the "street version" would only be a toned-down version of the R1, and would likely be called something else.

Basically:
If R1 = Street legal, then Street Version = unnecessary.

The Street Version is pretty much a base model for the Street. The R1 is the a Street Version but it's work management has been done more to give it a better driving feel. Watch Hot Version Touge 280 before thinking R1 as a non Street Legal version. Plus the R1 is a Touge car which makes it a Street-Tuned vehicle. I know the R1 from heart so don't be smack-talking "if this & that" sort of stuff, Info on the car is dam big. Look at my picture, it's the actual R1 in real life. It was the Touge Monster on Gunsai Touge before it was defeated by the Boost-Up RE Amemiya FD3S

I've just done a very quick test. I'll try this with the Opera in a little bit and give some feedback.

* Took the Amuse R1 S2000 that I've been using for a while.
* Took my fully tuned regular S2000 from the premium dealership, with all aero parts installed.
* Copied all the settings of the R1 and put the pasta on to the regular S2000.

The only exception here is that thw wing on the regular S2000 can be adjusted. I tuned both cars to 525pp and took them for a spin.

While they both drive differently - the Amuse R1 is perfectly balanced and grips the corners and bumps, and the Honda struggles with understeer, both cars achieved the same lap time.

I'm about to go and do the same with the Opera, and post more specific details about the set up and lap times. As far as I can see however, the tuner's cars pose no advantage. Also, as I stated before, I have several 'normal' cars that match or beat my Amuse R1 at the same PP level.

There's a few problems with the regular S2000 and the R1.
1. The R1 is based on the early 02 model but in GT series, it uses a base late 03 Model and adds the Amuse 3D parts and the R1's textures.

2. The car has 255/40R 17" Tires and has been setup for maximum traction for highest cornering speeds.
The car's engine is a stock F20C with a Amuse Header & MUGEN Carbon Intake with a Amuse R1000 Exhaust.

3. Most of the Carbon are used on the GT Wing, Trunk, Hardtop & Hood obviously without stripping the interior or removing the A/C & Radio and still regaining 1120kg(It's suppose to be 1140kg). The car has front Downforce due to the Front Bumper made by Amuse(Amuse used a base front bumper of the late 03 model, and did some model making adjustment for downforce) and obviously rear downforce due to the GT Wing.

 

[watermelon punch]

I've just done a very quick test. I'll try this with the Opera in a little bit and give some feedback.

* Took the Amuse R1 S2000 that I've been using for a while.
* Took my fully tuned regular S2000 from the premium dealership, with all aero parts installed.
* Copied all the settings of the R1 and put the pasta on to the regular S2000.

The only exception here is that thw wing on the regular S2000 can be adjusted. I tuned both cars to 525pp and took them for a spin.

While they both drive differently - the Amuse R1 is perfectly balanced and grips the corners and bumps, and the Honda struggles with understeer, both cars achieved the same lap time.

I'm about to go and do the same with the Opera, and post more specific details about the set up and lap times. As far as I can see however, the tuner's cars pose no advantage. Also, as I stated before, I have several 'normal' cars that match or beat my Amuse R1 at the same PP level.

Upon thinking about this...
I'm not quite sure I see the wisdom in comparing TWO DIFFERENT cars POTENTIAL performance, by slapping the SAME tuning set-up on both of them.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Yes. Much love for the R1, an amazing car 👍

I am aware of that Watermelonpunch. Read on....

Right, here's the details of my little experiment. I copied the suspension and gear set up from my R1 to both the Honda S2000 and the Opera. Keep in mind that the same set up will not be suitable for all cars.

Three hot laps of each car on Trial Mountain. All aids off except ABS which is set to 1, and all cars tuned to 525pp on Sports Soft tires.

Honda:
423hp
1106kg
Lap = 1:30.479

Amuse:
379hp
1120kg
Lap = 1:29.487

Opera:
374hp
1044kg
Lap = 1:29.492

As you can see, both the Opera and Amuse are identical, and the regular Honda is exactly one second behind. This is only over 3 laps and human error is a factor.

In regards to handling and driveability, this set up is perfect for the R1, no drama whatsoever.

The Opera handled fantastically, but was slightly prone to touches of understeer or oversteer.

The Honda was a fight with understeer, and seemed as if the wheels were grinding against the body work.

With some tweaking and appropiate set up for the normal Honda, I believe it could quite easily match the lap times of the tuner's cars. In this short experiment, I do feel that the Opera could be the best out of the three, albeit by a small margin. With a little adjustment, you could tune out the small bouts of under and oversteer that it was experiencing.

Set up:
Ride Height = F -10 / R -8
Springs = F 7.8 / R 6.4
Extension = F 4 / R 4
Compression = F 2 / R 2
Roll Bar = F 1 / R 1
Camber = F 4.0 / R 4.5
Toe = F 0.0 / R 0.2

Gear ratio theoretical max speed = 160mph
LSD = Standard LSD setting when full LSD is purchased