ORCA DTM-SPEC GERMAN GRAND PRIX! Events complete

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OwensRacing
Lets be honest. That is Me driving and Marcus side karting. He wasn't sure if I'd be offended so he refrained from mentioning it. ;)

I must say we was quite the team.
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Hmm, I always figured Marcus would be the one with the big beard. :odd:

Naptown25rs
Is there gonna be any practice/testing tonight?
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Maybe, I don't know yet if I'll be able to get on or not, but you all are quite welcome to practice without me. 320pp, FR, CS, tuning prohibited. Previously I had tire/fuel wear set on "fast" and it seemed to really do nothing so the last two times I had it on "very fast" and that seemed to be better (it still wasn't very fast, after 10 laps I still had at least 90% left front and rear).
 
BrandonW77
Hmm, I always figured Marcus would be the one with the big beard. :odd:

Maybe, I don't know yet if I'll be able to get on or not, but you all are quite welcome to practice without me. 320pp, FR, CS, tuning prohibited. Previously I had tire/fuel wear set on "fast" and it seemed to really do nothing so the last two times I had it on "very fast" and that seemed to be better (it still wasn't very fast, after 10 laps I still had at least 90% left front and rear).
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His was pretty frothy, it's just hidden beneath his helmet. ;)


I'm prepping cars. Be in ORCA in a few.
 
I've got to send myself another one of the cars and then I should be on around 7 if anyone is still there.
 
We had some hella fun last night with the old-tyme cars. There were only 4 of us but it was really a good time. NCemtB and I must have spent 25+ laps just driving around bumper-to-bumper, swapping positions every lap (except at Tsukuba), and this was just during practice! When we actually did a short race all 4 of us were in a group the whole time, close, clean racing............and I actually won! Marcus was running at minus 5pp from the rest of us for that race and it seemed to work out quite nicely as far as balancing the group. He was still able to make passes but didn't walk away from us.

Slight modification to the plan, I think we're going to run at 325pp instead of 320. I had lowered it to 320pp to allow the '78 280z to compete (tops out at 319pp) but a couple of the cars were having to take 7-8pp off to make that restriction and I feel like that's too much. The cars feel slightly more alive with 325pp and it makes them more enjoyable to drive. So instead of the '78 280z we will use the '73 240z which is actually a much better driving car (better gearbox). Also, if we were already restricting the cars by 5-8pp then having the "success penalty" added on top of that could really hurt the drivability of the cars, so 325pp is going to be a better fit all around.

(slightly) revised car list:
'70 Skyline
'73 Skyline
'67 Toyota 2000GT
'73 240z
'83 Celica XX
(RDAardvark said the '68 Skyline is good too but I haven't driven it)

Other cars that meet the PP restriction are acceptable too, these are just the ones that have proven to be really evenly matched and are the ones I'd recommend. You don't need to be committed to one car, feel free to drive them all. I might even allow us to switch cars between races, so during the triple-header we could drive three different cars if we wanted to.
 
It's the Skyline 2000GT-B (S54A) '67 that I quite liked.

The naming convention is quite odd, with the three Skylines being:

Skyline 2000GT-B (S54A) '67
Skyline HT 2000GT-R (KPGC10) '70
Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73

The Celica (how do you pronounce that again?) took a bit of getting used to as its gearbox is odd - A very long 2nd gear if I remember correctly. But it drives very well, as do all the cars. I'll have to have another go in the 240z now.
 
^ I don't know if I'm going to be too firm about it. I was mainly looking at the 60's and 70's, but the Celica is early 80's. I believe there are a couple early 80's Skylines hovering around 345pp but I figured dumbing them down 20pp would strangle them too much. The '67 Toyota 2000GT, '70 Skyline and '73 Skyline are the "inspiration" for the theme and we could just run those, but I tried to branch out and include at least a couple other cars.

For a guideline, I'd say 1985 or older would be good. If you're hunting around and find some other "vintage" cars (Japanese or other) that fit the bill please share your finds. I just suggested the "Japanese Vintage" theme because pretty much all the good FR cars in this range are JDM cars from 1985 or before, and most of them are Nissan (I included the '83 Celica just to get another car that wasn't a Nissan). The old Merc 300SL seems to be very competitive with the Japanese cars but that's about the only non-Japanese car we've found.
 
Actually, it was the Fairlady 2000 '68 that I liked, not the 67 skyline. Looking into it the skyline 67 is a mere 300pp, so doesn't fit at all.

And no, the drunk driving has nothing to do with me: other end of the country, and anyway, I don't drink! :sly:
 
Irish RDAardvark
And no, the drunk driving has nothing to do with me: other end of the country, and anyway, I don't drink! :sly:
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So many jokes.....so little time. :boggled:

I thought it was a '68 something, still a Nissan just wrong model. It was a boxy 2-seater convertible, kinda looked like a big Triumph. It certainly didn't look the part but seemed to keep up with the other cars just fine. I believe we were running 325pp that day so it should be good to go.


It may be a little too early to say, but I'd say the odds are in favor of a Nissan winning. :odd:
 
BrandonW77
^ I don't know if I'm going to be too firm about it. I was mainly looking at the 60's and 70's, but the Celica is early 80's.
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There is a '70 Celica. I got my first G27 win in a VCRC race in it. (You were there :p)
 
LancerEvo7
There is a '70 Celica. I got my first G27 win in a VCRC race in it. (You were there :p)
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Really? I don't think I have it. Any chance you could send it to me, or tell me what lap times you get at Clubman at 325pp CS.
 
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Here's some eye candy from our Saturday play time.

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^^^ Excellent pics - And they hide the true horror that is the colour of my Celica XX.

I was having a wee play last night and found the Mitsubishi lancer EX 1800 GSR IC Turbo '83.
I dialed it back to 325pp and was doing 1m 10.5xx laps around clubman.
 
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RDAardvark
I was having a wee play last night and found the Mitsubishi lancer EX 1800 GSR IC Turbo '83.
I dialed it back to 325pp and was doing 1m 10.5xx laps around clubman.
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I got that out the other night and ran a few laps in it... Seems pretty decent, but the 2nd to 3rd gear change is a little rough. Handles well though...
 
^ What he said. That might not be an issue at some tracks though, and if it's doing mid 10's then I'd say it's probably up to snuff and can be a contender. It's ugly as sin though :yuck:, the 70's Lancer looks a million times better. I haven't decided yet which track we'll run the official races at, Clubman was surprisingly fun and it makes me think the full SSR5 could be a really good fit. Also thought about High Speed Ring, these cars seem to like staying at higher speeds so tracks without a lot of tight, slow corners would probably work best. For some reason I feel like they should be in a street course environment though, probably because it makes the race look like a car chase from a 70's cops/baddies movie. 👍
 
Naptown25rs
I got that out the other night and ran a few laps in it... Seems pretty decent, but the 2nd to 3rd gear change is a little rough. Handles well though...
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Same for the Celica XX

Circuit wise, Clubman can be fun but that last corner can be a killer, especially if everyone's jostling for position. One touch of the wall and you'll be left behind.

Is it time for a new thread?
 
RDAardvark
Circuit wise, Clubman can be fun but that last corner can be a killer, especially if everyone's jostling for position. One touch of the wall and you'll be left behind.

Is it time for a new thread?
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The full SSR5 would eliminate that last corner. 👍

Yes, new thread(s) soon but I want to have all the specifics finalized first. I'm going to create an "ORCA general discussion" for us to use between events.
 
BrandonW77
(slightly) revised car list:
'70 Skyline
'73 Skyline
'67 Toyota 2000GT
'73 240z
'83 Celica XX
(RDAardvark said the '68 Skyline is good too but I haven't driven it)

Other cars that meet the PP restriction are acceptable too, these are just the ones that have proven to be really evenly matched and are the ones I'd recommend. You don't need to be committed to one car, feel free to drive them all. I might even allow us to switch cars between races, so during the triple-header we could drive three different cars if we wanted to.
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So to be clear, are we just using japanese cars made before the early 80's that are at or just above 325pp, or can we use cars from other countries too as long as they fit the pp? Im not trying to complicate things but I think more varied cars would look better given the styling of this era. I also have trouble keeping my four loko can in the cup holder of the Nissans.

Also Im about to jump in the lounge for some practice if anyone is around
 
Torzilla
So to be clear, are we just using japanese cars made before the early 80's that are at or just above 325pp, or can we use cars from other countries too as long as they fit the pp? Im not trying to complicate things but I think more varied cars would look better given the styling of this era. I also have trouble keeping my four loko can in the cup holder of the Nissans.

Also Im about to jump in the lounge for some practice if anyone is around
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:lol: Those cup holders are barely big enough to hold a Red Bull.

I think any car that fits the PP range will be allowed (as long as it doesn't have adjustable downforce i.e. race car). I think there are only a few non-Japanese cars that fit the specs, but you're welcome to race then if they're competitive.
 
Yeah I was under the impression that I had a few european cars that would fit the bill until my research showed that I had the weight dialed way up on them. Still its good to know that other cars are open.
 
The '54 SL300 seems to fit in nicely, I think there might be an Alfa too. Let me know if you find any others. 👍
 
So what's the preference among the group? Should I try to keep things to just Japanese "vintage" cars or allow any car that meets the specs and is pre-1985 to participate? To be honest, part of my grand plan with these events is that we will end up with several classes of cars that we can pull from for fun, random racing, much like you would find in a public room where they do a certain PP for a while, then switch to another, repeat as necessary. With that in mind, allowing any car at 325pp on CS would build a bigger pool of cars for us to choose from.

Also, what's your opinion on running these cars with no ABS? I've driven a couple without ABS and found them rather fun, could toss an interesting variable into the racing. :)

The Japanese cars on Japanese streets is a nice theme but it might be unnecessarily restrictive and eliminate a couple of good cars. So I'm leaning towards just a general "vintage, pre 1985" restriction/theme. Most of the cars you're gonna find around 325pp are going to naturally fall into that category so it should be fairly easy to do. We could have a good 6-8 cars for people to choose from, maybe more, and for whatever reason that really appeals to me. In the same time-frame we'd normally run a series with a one-make car we could all have driven a half dozen different cars and had a much "richer" experience.

Is anyone gonna be around tonight for some racing? I need a couple replays with decent sized grids to get some photos for the new thread.
 
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I will try to be available this evening. What time are you considering?

I've been cycling the UCD and collecting cars while working on a proposal project, so I really need to get away from my desk anyway.

I have no preference regarding the car selection. I'll be here driving regardless.
 
If you use all pre-1985 cars you may eliminate some potential future event races due to overlapping car usage. If that's not a concern or issue, I say do all. As far as ABS, I would say if someone doesn't want to use it, they don't have to. No reason to make a rule for all since these events are just for fun and there are no points or championships.
 
BrandonW77
So what's the preference among the group? Should I try to keep things to just Japanese "vintage" cars or allow any car that meets the specs and is pre-1985 to participate? To be honest, part of my grand plan with these events is that we will end up with several classes of cars that we can pull from for fun, random racing, much like you would find in a public room where they do a certain PP for a while, then switch to another, repeat as necessary. With that in mind, allowing any car at 325pp on CS would build a bigger pool of cars for us to choose from.

Also, what's your opinion on running these cars with no ABS? I've driven a couple without ABS and found them rather fun, could toss an interesting variable into the racing. :)

The Japanese cars on Japanese streets is a nice theme but it might be unnecessarily restrictive and eliminate a couple of good cars. So I'm leaning towards just a general "vintage, pre 1985" restriction/theme. Most of the cars you're gonna find around 325pp are going to naturally fall into that category so it should be fairly easy to do. We could have a good 6-8 cars for people to choose from, maybe more, and for whatever reason that really appeals to me. In the same time-frame we'd normally run a series with a one-make car we could all have driven a half dozen different cars and had a much "richer" experience.

Is anyone gonna be around tonight for some racing? I need a couple replays with decent sized grids to get some photos for the new thread.
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Car selection doesn't really matter to me, so long as the cars are relatively close together, but for me, the more the merrier. The more variety on the grid the better. I enjoy cars more that have an appealing sound and a decent gearbox when spec racing.

I'd be in for NoABS but I've been practicing with it for a while so it's second nature to me, but it isn't easy to get used to at first so it might scare off some people, especially those without a good wheel. However, if you are going to start with NoABS this is the class to do it in as 325 PP on CS tires is about as easy as it gets when it comes to NoABS. You won't be hard on the brakes other than in maybe 1 or 2 corners at some tracks. Generally the lower the PP the easier no ABS is because it requires far less reaction time than higher HP cars and far less braking in general.
 
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