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By the same logic, over simplification is equally as misleading, if not more so.

Again, the only way it would confuse you is if you have reading comprehension problems, or are being a pedantic twit. The later, I think, fits most who complain of something so trivial.

It can be, but trust most people buying racing games I would think understand hey we only have 30 different tracks and some have a few extra layouts.

Basically at the end of the day feels like if someone had a fork and they bent it out of shape it's a new fork, and the answer to that is no.
 
"30 Locations with 70 Layouts" is only confusing to people who have problems with reading comprehension.

I understand it, but around the time of GT5's release, every interview brought up the question of 'how many tracks in total'. Which points to people not grasping the way PD were saying it.

By the same logic, over simplification is equally as misleading, if not more so.

Again, the only way it would confuse you is if you have reading comprehension problems, or are being a pedantic twit. The later, I think, fits most who complain of something so trivial.

Show some respect kid.
 
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I understand it, but around the time of GT5's release, every interview brought up the question of 'how many tracks in total'. Which points to people not grasping the way PD were saying it.

Correct answer, "30" plus variations. Again, I fail to see how that is a difficult concept to grasp.

Show some respect kid.

You talk about showing respect and then call me a "kid"? I've got news for you Sony Jim, I've probably been gaming more years than you are old, and have children that are probably your age. Please also note that I have been a member here now for over 10 years. So dispense with the quips.

Moving on...

Nit picking over the wording of the number of tracks, is the very definition of being a "pedantic twit". Again, reading comprehension apparently being a grossly under developed skill among some here, you will also note that the comment about said "pedantic twits" was not targeted at him, but rather at those who whinge about such things in general.

When you learn to show some respect and candor, then maybe you can request to receive some. Until then, take your own advice.

It can be, but trust most people buying racing games I would think understand hey we only have 30 different tracks and some have a few extra layouts.

Basically at the end of the day feels like if someone had a fork and they bent it out of shape it's a new fork, and the answer to that is no.


Or maybe they ground the tines down and called it a salad fork?
 
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I understand it, but around the time of GT5's release, every interview brought up the question of 'how many tracks in total'. Which points to people not grasping the way PD were saying it.



Show some respect kid.
Merged your posts together, please don't post multiple times in quick succession, use the edit button instead.

Correct answer, "30" plus variations. Again, I fail to see how that is a difficult concept to grasp.



You talk about showing respect and then call me a "kid"? I've got news for you Sony Jim, I've probably been gaming more years than you are old, and have children that are probably your age. Please also note that I have been a member here now for over 10 years. So dispense with the quips.

Moving on...

Nit picking over the wording of the number of tracks, is the very definition of being a "pedantic twit". Again, reading comprehension apparently being a grossly under developed skill among some here, you will also note that the comment about said "pedantic twits" was not targeted at him, but rather at those who whinge about such things in general.

When you learn to show some respect and candor, then maybe you can request to receive some. Until then, take your own advice.




Or maybe they ground the tines down and called it a salad fork?

You'd think after being registered since 2005 you'd know better. Merged your triple post into one.

Please hold off on the offensive tone in your posts, or you'll start getting warnings.
 
it seems they have not laser scanned the Le Mans track since 2005. major modifications were made at the Dunlop chicane and Tertre Rouge in 2006 and 2007. also in 2011 the Mulsanne straight was repaved.
Le Mans is one they've redone. The 2005, 2009, and 2013 versions all are different.
 
Merged your posts together, please don't post multiple times in quick succession, use the edit button instead.



You'd think after being registered since 2005 you'd know better. Merged your triple post into one.

Please hold off on the offensive tone in your posts, or you'll start getting warnings.

Multiquote, is a function of any forum, that I will never use.

it serves no purpose, but to clutter together dissimilar thoughts. It makes every reply impersonal and loses focus on specific information, and necessitates that another person has to dissect any irrelevant text they don't wish to quote. Its clumsy. No one is saving bandwidth using multiquote. Forum survived this long without it.
 
Multiquote, is a function of any forum, that I will never use.

it serves no purpose, but to clutter together dissimilar thoughts. It makes every reply impersonal and loses focus on specific information, and necessitates that another person has to dissect any irrelevant text they don't wish to quote. Its clumsy. No one is saving bandwidth using multiquote. Forum survived this long without it.

I'm not asking you to try to convince me against a long-held policy of the forums, just to stop multi-posting. Instead either edit information you'd like to add into your previous post or wait for someone else to post so you can post again.

We don't want people post in quick series when they can edit, that's all, nothing to do with trying to save bandwidth.

And if you don't want to multi-quote (I also don't like doing it), just separate each point into its own paragraph in response to someone, you don't have to quote every one of their points.

But if you don't want follow the rules, don't expect to last long here.
 
I started reading this thread and then realize, all of the tracks designed or modified in the last 10 years almost certainly have electronic survey data with GPS points and measurements and everything. I would think a partnership with Herman Tilke's firm would make a lot of sense, since he seems to be designing all the new tracks.

There would still need to be graphics rendering and such for the surroundings, etc, but it seems to me like a) players would generally be happy to have an accurate track with mediocre graphics for things like signs, bridges, etc and b) it seems like once you have the layout of the course mapped into the game, the rest should fall into place relatively quickly, no?
 
I'm not asking you to try to convince me against a long-held policy of the forums, just to stop multi-posting. Instead either edit information you'd like to add into your previous post or wait for someone else to post so you can post again.

We don't want people post in quick series when they can edit, that's all, nothing to do with trying to save bandwidth.

And if you don't want to multi-quote (I also don't like doing it), just separate each point into its own paragraph in response to someone, you don't have to quote every one of their points.

But if you don't want follow the rules, don't expect to last long here.

I guess @Buck-O is used to "threaded" style of forums. (GTP's forum style is flat) 💡
 
Since when did the layout of Laguna Seca change?

They made changes to the profile of the hill leading up to the cork screw, and extended the run off at the cork screw, as well as moved the pedestrian bridge right after the cork screw, closer to the cork screw. All of this was done at the behest of MotoGP, and their riders association, to improve safety for the riders at the track.

The ideas behind the changes being that the rough pavement, as well as the "lip" over the crest of the hill would throw riders off their bikes, and with the limited run off, could cause serious injury.
Also coming into the compression turn after the cork screw, there was a large fear of low siding, and the potential of a rider hitting the bridge abutment was considered high. So they moved it closer to the cork screw, preventing any collision from an incident ar the compression corner. Which simultaneously opened up more run off in that left hander.

Even though no incidents or injuries took place at those locations in all the years of the AMA running Super Bikes there, they were deemed valid issues, and changes were made. Mostly because Laguna Seca wanted to keep their contract with MotoGP, because it had been such a success.

Other minor changes to curb placement, rough patches of asphalt, drainage, and a minor reprofiling of the cork screw took place. But that was mostly all a byproduct of the repaving, and not from specific planned changes.
 
Correct answer, "30" plus variations. Again, I fail to see how that is a difficult concept to grasp.



You talk about showing respect and then call me a "kid"? I've got news for you Sony Jim, I've probably been gaming more years than you are old, and have children that are probably your age. Please also note that I have been a member here now for over 10 years. So dispense with the quips.

Moving on...

Nit picking over the wording of the number of tracks, is the very definition of being a "pedantic twit". Again, reading comprehension apparently being a grossly under developed skill among some here, you will also note that the comment about said "pedantic twits" was not targeted at him, but rather at those who whinge about such things in general.

When you learn to show some respect and candor, then maybe you can request to receive some. Until then, take your own advice.




Or maybe they ground the tines down and called it a salad fork?

Basically what I'm getting at is there are 39 total tracks I'd rather they just call it like that instead using the 71+ layout is somewhat misleading only if for one thing the Reverse tracks also count if I'm not mistaken towards that 71+ layout part.

That's why I used the fork reference for, or at the very least what PD should have done is count some of them towards track total.

Because it feels like their using the 71 layout to make it seem bigger than what it is, but once reality sets in at least Imo it doesn't do a whole lot.



On topic at hand though most of the tracks that got updated with this GT5 and GT6 probably will need to be re-updated I can agree because if they port again to PS4 and it looks like crap that's going to piss more people off if they haven't been upset by now.

Trial Mountain and High Speed Ring comes to mind so does a few others who need it worse.
 
Basically what I'm getting at is there are 39 total tracks I'd rather they just call it like that instead using the 71+ layout is somewhat misleading only if for one thing the Reverse tracks also count if I'm not mistaken towards that 71+ layout part.

It's 77 tracks not including reverse, 100 if you include reverse.

I don't really see the issue with saying "30+ locations, 70+ layouts". Sure, they have too many similar Circuit De La Sarthes, while not even including the Bugatti Circuit, but some have major differences. Big Willow/Streets of Willow, Nordschliefe/Nurb GP, Motegi Road/Oval and the Matterhorns being prime examples.
 
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It's 77 tracks not including reverse, 100 if you include reverse.

I don't really see the issue with saying "30+ locations, 70+ layouts". Sure, they have too many similar Circuit De La Sarthes, while not even including the Bugatti Circuit, but some have major differences. Big Willow/Streets of Willow, Nordschliefe/Nurb GP, Motegi Road/Oval and the Matterhorns being prime examples.

It's just a pet peeve I've had since they've done that also another thing you say it's 77 tracks not including reverse maybe I need to re-check, but don't they have Time/Weather tracks separated as well such as say Suzuka(Regular) Suzuka(Time Change) or even Suzuka(Time/Weather) cause if that's the case I think that number comes down.

Which is what I'm getting at basically want PD to do the Tracks like they do the Cars put all their different Sections under that one.

Like Suzuka + all it's different tracks
Circuit de la Sarthe + all it's variants

Basically they way GT4 had it.
 
It's just a pet peeve I've had since they've done that also another thing you say it's 77 tracks not including reverse maybe I need to re-check, but don't they have Time/Weather tracks separated as well such as say Suzuka(Regular) Suzuka(Time Change) or even Suzuka(Time/Weather) cause if that's the case I think that number comes down.

Nope, the count is 77, not counting tracks with weather twice:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...er-car-track-list.281919/page-29#post-8998232
 
They made changes to the profile of the hill leading up to the cork screw, and extended the run off at the cork screw, as well as moved the pedestrian bridge right after the cork screw, closer to the cork screw. All of this was done at the behest of MotoGP, and their riders association, to improve safety for the riders at the track.

The ideas behind the changes being that the rough pavement, as well as the "lip" over the crest of the hill would throw riders off their bikes, and with the limited run off, could cause serious injury.
Also coming into the compression turn after the cork screw, there was a large fear of low siding, and the potential of a rider hitting the bridge abutment was considered high. So they moved it closer to the cork screw, preventing any collision from an incident ar the compression corner. Which simultaneously opened up more run off in that left hander.

Even though no incidents or injuries took place at those locations in all the years of the AMA running Super Bikes there, they were deemed valid issues, and changes were made. Mostly because Laguna Seca wanted to keep their contract with MotoGP, because it had been such a success.

Other minor changes to curb placement, rough patches of asphalt, drainage, and a minor reprofiling of the cork screw took place. But that was mostly all a byproduct of the repaving, and not from specific planned changes.
I think they have lost motogp this year. 3 races in anerica was unfeasible. Its indy and cota this year
 
I think they have lost motogp this year. 3 races in anerica was unfeasible. Its indy and cota this year

Yeah, money had a lot to do with it. Laguna Seca is a privately funded venue, mostly supported by donations, it really runs on a show string. It simply cant compete with the corporate backing of Indy and COTA who can not only afford to pay the massive licensing costs, but offer kick backs to the organizers, in MotoGP's case, Dorna.

Its a shame they had to drop it this season, but i have no doubt that they will be back again. I think that the money is the only thing really keeping MotoGP at Indy right now, so if that ever dries up, maybe they will go back to Laguna for sentimental and historic reasons.
 
If there was more american riders like there was 20years ago it would be a no brainer. The win on sunday sell on monday philosophy would rule
 
Why the dislike for "outdated"/old tracks??
For me the more the better, always.
I would love to se old tracks in GT6, like the Sudschleife, the Big Spa Francorchamps, the Big Monza (with the oval), the old original La Sarthe track (with the sarthe bridge hairpin) and so on...
 
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