Over de-tuning

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Example:
500pp street car room, and people show up in LFA's (stock 546pp) de-tuned to 500pp. I also will see 458's & R8's doing the same thing.

Anyone else get annoyed with this? I can see de-tuning a little bit via power limiter, or adding a little weight, but de-tuning a car by 30-50 or more pp seems a little ridiculous to me.

Apologies if this has been brought up before.
 
I hate this sort of things , i never de-tune a car only in seasonal event and i dont reduce pp alot also it ruins the car

500pp rule for good reason just choose a car suits that rule or at least reduce pp 10-15 pp its ok with it .
 
Yes, I hate it. Detuning a GTR, R8, 458i to 320bhp is just blasphemy. No race series would do that.
 
Glad I'm not the only one. I see this every time I do online races, and several people in the room doing it.

I can see it coming in handy in some situations, but there should be an option to turn it off, or better yet, uninvent the idea all together.
 
I can't believe all the people who are guilty of the over de-tuning, those cars can't possibly be enjoyably to drive that way. You couldn't force me to drive an '09 ZR1 de-tuned that far. The PP level is what makes each of these cars what they are. If I'm racing a '97 Camaro in a 500pp room, I want a nice fair match up with a 90's Mazda or somthing along those lines. I have no interest in racing against a "de-tuned" street legal race car.
 
I' like to see an option to set the degree to which cars can be detuned as well as balast options.

I have been working most of my cars into various class ranges (400, 450, 500, 550) for online use and 10% is the most I will detune a car. I install all bolt ons and weight reduction and then tune accordingly.

I generally reduce the weight because anyone who is going to have a vehicle primarily for track purposes will reduce as much weight as possible. I don't count heavy leather seats and wood trim as part of the car. Hmm /tangent.
 
I would rather just see the power limiter go. It doesn't serve any purpose besides pissing me off. And having options to restrict it to certain percentages just adds more unnessary options. Better off with out it.

I have a few cars that I don't ever change the oil in just to squeeze it in at certain power levels without the using power limiter.

I would like to hear from some of the offenders on this topic. (some are on my PSN friends list, yea I'm talking to you)
 
Skeletor27
I can see it coming in handy in some situations, but there should be an option to turn it off, or better yet, uninvent the idea all together.
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This would be wrong too, though. Remember that the purpose of the limiter was for allowing cars that had irreversible engine upgrades and weight reductions to be more or less restored to stock status. I remember having to purchase duplicate cars before the de-tuning option just to get into certain races.
 
It's my understanding that overuse of the power limiter will often put one at a disadvantage. The limiter reduces hp more than it reduces torque creating an 'unnatural' torque power curve. This sounds good but because torque is a factor in calculating pp you are essentially sacrificing hp for torque. On tracks where acceleration is key (think tsukuba or eiffel) this might be okay but more often than not having greater hp is preferred. The best way to tune for power is to 'tune up' your car by adding parts then if necessary reducing power by a percentage point or two using the limiter.
 
Wow, a whole thread full of NSX-R fanboys... :)

PS - Google "inlet restrictors", the Shulze Motorsport GTR makes LESS power than the road-going GTR...
 
You could always use the 'stock' restriction. But then you can't use your lightly tuned cars...
 
Hastatus
This would be wrong too, though. Remember that the purpose of the limiter was for allowing cars that had irreversible engine upgrades and weight reductions to be more or less restored to stock status. I remember having to purchase duplicate cars before the de-tuning option just to get into certain races.
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It's better to have 2 or 3 of the same car for different applications. Power limiter messes up the power band. see quote below.

johnnutz
It's my understanding that overuse of the power limiter will often put one at a disadvantage. The limiter reduces hp more than it reduces torque creating an 'unnatural' torque power curve. This sounds good but because torque is a factor in calculating pp you are essentially sacrificing hp for torque. On tracks where acceleration is key (think tsukuba or eiffel) this might be okay but more often than not having greater hp is preferred. The best way to tune for power is to 'tune up' your car by adding parts then if necessary reducing power by a percentage point or two using the limiter.
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I know the power limiter messes up the power curve, badly. All the torque gets put in middle of the RPM range. I'm surprised the cars are driveable with that much use of the limiter, but some cars, i.e. LFA @ 500pp do very well, too well. It still pulls away from everything along with having the handling of a supercar.

peter_vod69
Wow, a whole thread full of NSX-R fanboys... :)

PS - Google "inlet restrictors", the Shulze Motorsport GTR makes LESS power than the road-going GTR...
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Don't call me a NSX-R fanboy. This has nothing to do with the over-rated NSX-R (I'll save that rant for another post). I hate the NSX more then the power limiter itself, but not as much as the GTR.
 
I do get annoyed when people do that, but I smile at the end of it all after I've spanked them in a non de-tuned car..."Now thats justice." -Dom Mazzetti :D
 
It's funny when someone manages to de-tune a Redbull X1 thinking that they can still race it with me.
 
JDMeddie
I do get annoyed when people do that, but I smile at the end of it all after I've spanked them in a non de-tuned car..."Now thats justice." -Dom Mazzetti :D
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I can beat them sometimes. But some of these guys are really frick'n good at this game with their wheels & pedals & what not. Better then I am & most people anyway. Then put them in a car that is faster then anyone else's just gets old after a while. Then they will use that same car over and over and over and over and over and over. . . . . . .
 
ZohsixGT5
Yes, I hate it. Detuning a GTR, R8, 458i to 320bhp is just blasphemy. No race series would do that.
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Technically, the subaru gt300 car has around the same power as the stock sti.
 
squirlybmx
Technically, the subaru gt300 car has around the same power as the stock sti.
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Right, but not less. And many race cars have less power than their street car equivalents, but its a small percentage difference. The only exception that comes to mind is the C6R/ZR1.
 
It is a little annoying I guess...In the 500-550pp room these cars will give you the easy way out:

BMW M3
BMW M3 CSL
NSX
NSX-R
LFA
R35 GTR
FERRARI 458
AUDI R8
LOTUS ELISE

^These are excellent vehicles but I try to stay away from them because they are so easy to drive. I guess thats why the rooms are filled with them. Personally, I like to use cars that make you think you're gonna kill yourself if you exceed the limit. (Corvette, RUF:sly:)
 
Amarinsocal
It is a little annoying I guess...In the 500-550pp room these cars will give you the easy way out:

BMW M3
BMW M3 CSL
NSX
NSX-R
LFA
R35 GTR
FERRARI 458
AUDI R8
LOTUS ELISE

^These are excellent vehicles but I try to stay away from them because they are so easy to drive. I guess thats why the rooms are filled with them. Personally, I like to use cars that make you think you're gonna kill yourself if you exceed the limit. (Corvette, RUF:sly:)
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I believe the cars mentioned here above are NOT that easy to drive, hence people want the maximum ooomph for the Nordschleife at a given PP restriction.

I agree, I cannot stand Engine Limiter, not ever 0.1% , I can immediately sense the reduction in what it can do as a non-limited drive. I'll add 100KG of Ballast before ever limiting an engine.

The key is to find a car you like, break it in, and tune it (without Engine Limiter) and master your track, and give those guys a run for their money.

Here is hoping for restricting Engine Limiter in future update(s)
 
I only do drastic power limiting if I have no cars close to the specified PP (which is very rare), or if for example...PP is set real low and all I have is FF cars in that PP but everyone is running FR, I will de-tune one of my FRs to the specified PP as an FR nearly always has the upper hand with traction and less understeer. I would never de-tune a "super car" that low though.
 
Amarinsocal
It is a little annoying I guess...In the 500-550pp room these cars will give you the easy way out:

BMW M3
BMW M3 CSL
NSX
NSX-R
LFA
R35 GTR
FERRARI 458
AUDI R8
LOTUS ELISE

^These are excellent vehicles but I try to stay away from them because they are so easy to drive. I guess thats why the rooms are filled with them. Personally, I like to use cars that make you think you're gonna kill yourself if you exceed the limit. (Corvette, RUF:sly:)
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RUF RGT is also a very strong contender in 500pp, but I don't know which NSX are you talking about. Sure the NSX-R is mega fast and one of my very favourite cars in the game but I just wish I could find a regular NSX with pop up headlights and tune it to be fast in 500pp. I tried with the Acura NSX but somewhere along the line that car contracted mad cow disease and I can't sort it out :(



I agree powerlimiter should only do 20% max. I never de tune cars beyond 15-20% it just feels wrong.
 

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