Oversteer, good or bad?

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I don't come from a long line of playing good racing sims, i come from ridge racer, need for speed (not even the undergroudn series), etc.

My mind tells me that the more oversteer you have, the better.

Wouldnt you want oversteer so you can control the steering more? Oversteer just sounds like better handling.

When drifitng or etc I can see where it can screw you up if you aren't used to it yet.

I can also see how it may mess you up if you use a d-pad...

But other than that, can't you just turn more slightly with the alanog stick / Steering wheel instead of throwing it left or right and turning into a corner too sharply?

Am i not understanding this? thanks
 
You don't want the softest setting though, it will make you lose time. I think that sometimes, a medium is better. It's kind of hard to chose between one. I like too have a LITTLE oversteer, in traffic when I need it.
 
Well, they all have advantages and disadvatages ...

Oversteer, while allowing the easiest/fastest turning ability, is often difficult to control for those less advanced ... Also, with some cars, stability can be an issue ...

Neutral steering still offers good turning ability will often improved control and stability ...

Understeer offers inferior turning ability, but usually the best stability ...

I tend to tune for slight oversteer or neutral handling, depending on the track/car ... On courses like Super Speedway, the last thing I would want is oversteer ...

For beginners, I'd say tune for near neutral handling, maybe with slight understeer ... Beginners often lose a lot of time spinning out in cars that oversteer ...
 
so spinning out is really the only thing to worry about?

is FF Oversteer something id wanna leave alone as well?
 
Even if you don't spin out, you will lose a lot of speed if you oversteer too much (get sideways) ... and you'll lose even more time if you overcorrect ...
 
I go with whatever I run the best lap times consistently with ...

If I run better lap times with more oversteer (which isn't unusual), but it doesn't feel stable or easy to control, I'll usually tune for a little less oversteer so, while I won't run the best lap times possible, I'll be able to run consistently good times with far less risk of screwing up ...
 
sicbeing
I don't come from a long line of playing good racing sims, i come from ridge racer, need for speed (not even the undergroudn series), etc.

My mind tells me that the more oversteer you have, the better.

Wouldnt you want oversteer so you can control the steering more? Oversteer just sounds like better handling.

When drifitng or etc I can see where it can screw you up if you aren't used to it yet.

I can also see how it may mess you up if you use a d-pad...

But other than that, can't you just turn more slightly with the alanog stick / Steering wheel instead of throwing it left or right and turning into a corner too sharply?

Am i not understanding this? thanks
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Oversteer is better and faster by me but need good skills. There are two basic drifts: Fast Drift(low angle drift) and Show Drift(big angle, slower) - Drift Bible. Fast drift is faster than understeer/neutral, show drift is the slowest method. But for Fast Drift You will need fine Oversteer Car Setup and good steering wheel with pedals, DS2 is not so precise.
 
The ideal combination is neutral or slight oversteer at corner entry (or on brakes) combined with slight understeer at exit (on power).

This combination allows you to get the car rotated early so that you don't have to slow down too far to negotiate the corner, but lets you control that rotation by adding in power and accelerating for the longest available time through the corner.

The ideal four wheel drift (not to be confused with drifting as the word means today) depends on a car that behaves this way.
 
maggkrabar
Oversteer is better and faster by me but need good skills. There are two basic drifts: Fast Drift(low angle drift) and Show Drift(big angle, slower) - Drift Bible. Fast drift is faster than understeer/neutral, show drift is the slowest method. But for Fast Drift You will need fine Oversteer Car Setup and good steering wheel with pedals, DS2 is not so precise.
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So, dont try drifting without the 150 wheel?
 
Remember, just because the car ROTATES to point the direction you want to go, does not mean it has the necessary lateral acceleration to match the radius of the turn you need to make.

In simpler terms... You need the back end to do its fair share of providing a sideways force to get the cars VELOCITY (not just HEADING) pointed in the proper direction. So excessive oversteer is not helpful. You'll be looking at the finish line, sure. But you'll be travelling backwards into the nearest wall.
 
sicbeing
So, dont try drifting without the 150 wheel?
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no, no! DS2 is good. But if You want to do Fast Drift, You will need Wheel with at least 180 degree rotation.

Find and watch NSX Prime video at www.nsxprime.com

and look that drift car :)
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It got other understeer/neutral NSXs at battle using Fast Drift.

oversteer rulez.
 
maggkrabar
Dual Shock 2, a strange tool for Tekken and Mortal Kombat playing... :)
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is that the steering wheel that is good if u calibrate it accordingly?

If so, can u link me to a pic / selling of the item somewhere?
 
sicbeing
is that the steering wheel that is good if u calibrate it accordingly?

If so, can u link me to a pic / selling of the item somewhere?
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Dual Shock 2 (DS2) is the normal Playstation contoller that came with your console.
 
oh i get it now, i imanged someone playing tekken with a wheel and said to myself yea, that would be strange
 
It really depends on the car. You can tune most cars for oversteer making the rear stiff as heck and putting the worst tires on the back. For RWD cars, this usually makes the car slower. The key to racing is to put down as much power coming out the the corners as possible. Although a loose car with easy throttle steer is cool, I find that having the car as close to neutral is best. A tad of oversteer on braking and a tad of understeer on acceleration.
 
I the term oversteer seems to be relative to the player. I like a bit of oversteer in most of my cars because I like the ability to point the car in the right direction and try and power through the turn. But that's just a hint of oversteer that allows a quick mid turn adjustment.

The drifters would have the back end sliding all over the place with a ton of oversteer, that drives me crazy. So I think it's relative to the player. I say use whatever works best for your style.
 
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I found an interesting info on drifting.com and real racers say that all depends on driver and proper slip angle - how, when and why oversteer is faster/slower than understeer/neutral. There is a trick with slip angle on cornering and turn exit and it is possible to gain more acceleration with some oversteer and slip angle.

and
You'll only ever know if there's a god when you die, and you'll only ever know if drifting is faster if you try.
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malcolm, drifting.com

very good explanation for Fast Drifting usage! Just simple: TRY :)

I'm workning now on drifting techniques with small slip angles, but the car setup is very difficult - a bit of oversteer, near to neutral I think and some TCS. If I could make proper car setup, I may choose when to drift and when to be neutral on corners. That will be fine... Still my choice is oversteer but that ****** slip angle...
 

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