Parents Not Letting Their Kids Learn Manual

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Wolfe
Sitting at a stop in first gear with the clutch in will shorten the life of the throwout bearing.
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Don't press the clutch then? No different then sitting at a stop in first gear on an ATV with the clutch not engaged.
 
Wolfe
Sitting at a stop in first gear with the clutch in will shorten the life of the throwout bearing.
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While that is true, the clutch will usually wear out faster than the throwout bearing and they're both usually changed at the same time.
 
Slash
Don't press the clutch then? No different then sitting at a stop in first gear on an ATV with the clutch not engaged.
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By no means do I have a lot of experience with a manual transmission, but I don't think you can stay stopped while in gear with the clutch out, can you? I would think it would stall.
 
xXKingJoshXx
By no means do I have a lot of experience with a manual transmission, but I don't think you can stay stopped while in gear with the clutch out, can you? I would think it would stall.
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You can do it on a quad, can't see why it would be any different in a car. My buddy drives his Corolla like that and never has had an issue.

Although now that I think about it....


Forget I said anything.
 
Slash
You can do it on a quad, can't see why it would be any different in a car. My buddy drives his Corolla like that and never has had an issue.
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When I drive my grandpa's truck you're unable to be stopped without being in neutral or with the clutch in unless you're in 1st gear (which is a granny gear).
 
xXKingJoshXx
When I drive my grandpa's truck you're unable to be stopped without being in neutral or with the clutch in unless you're in 1st gear (which is a granny gear).
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See my edit.
 
You can't have it in gear and clutch engaged when stopped. Unless the engine isn't running or your clutch is completely destroyed.
 
Yes I realized that after I posted. No idea what I was thinking.
 
I am learning to drive in a 2001 Audi A4 with an upgraded turbo, a much stiffer and lower suspension, manual with clutch.
 
It is wrong if they just say "you must learn automatic". I asked my parents if there was anything wrong for wanting to learn stick shift. My parents don't mind if I were to drive a manual car but they told me that it would be easier to drive an auto. Their not against me driving stick shift, its just they want me to start off with automatic.
 
xXKingJoshXx
By no means do I have a lot of experience with a manual transmission, but I don't think you can stay stopped while in gear with the clutch out, can you? I would think it would stall.
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You'd have to keep the clutch pedal pressed (to avoid confusion with when its engaged/disengaged) to sit in gear at the lights. Or anywhere, obviously.

You shouldn't do that though, if you get arse-ended then you'll "drop" the clutch (by allowing the pedal up :) ) and accelerate under the truck that's crossing the junction from the right. You engage first on amber, let it bite, dump'n'go on green. "If clear to do so", of course.
 
You also preserve your throwout bearing by putting it in neutral instead of keeping the clutch pressed in for long periods of time. It doesn't make that much of a difference as you'll probably replace the whole clutch before the bearing fails but if it's a beater car of unknown history there might be a chance that it'd already gone through several clutch disks on the same pressure plate and throwout bearing, so keep that in mind.

Fun fact, here you'd fail your driving test if you held the clutch in for longer than 5 seconds.
 
Driving in real life is nothing like games i'm afraid.

ProjectWHaT
My parents think its too complicated. But from my experience (in games), it seems extremely easy. You watch the revs, depress the clutch, shift to the next gear, undedpress the clutch, rinse and repeat. I would like to learn manual, but its the possible right now for me, because my parents' cars are both automatic.

But manual is already slowly disappearing. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, etc. are all using those paddles.
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TenEightyOne
You shouldn't do that though, if you get arse-ended then you'll "drop" the clutch (by allowing the pedal up :) ) and accelerate under the truck that's crossing the junction from the right. You engage first on amber, let it bite, dump'n'go on green. "If clear to do so", of course.
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Just one thing to add to that, they don't have amber lights to tell you it's about to turn green in America. I don't see why not, it makes sense.
 
Probably because folks would jump the lights even sooner. I don't really see the point of an additional phase to a traffic signal. Simply watching the oncoming traffic and/or left phase is enough.
 
I agree with Pupik here. And also time and money. There's already millions of 3 shade stoplights here that it would be pointless to start switching them all. Besides it already has an amber light to tell you when it's going to go red and adding another would flat out confuse the hell out of everyone.
 
In China (at least in cities), the red light turns into a number counting down to when it turns green. When its green, the yellow light lights up, but is counting down to when the yellow light officially turns on.
 
Countdown lights are awesome. Makes it easier to tell whether you have time to make the green if you give it a little more gas, or whether you should just slow down and stop. Also tells you if it's worth shutting down the car while waiting for the green (if it's a minute or more, I sometimes shut off)... and it tells you when you should put the car back in gear, to get ready for the next green.

 
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A lot of our lights don't work on timers but by magnetic pickups in the asphalt. Similar to how an electric guitar pickup picks off vibrations, there's magnetic pickups in the road that sense how much steel is over them, and when enough cars have been there for some time, the light changes. You'll see this work perfectly if there is no traffic at a 4 way stop but 1 car. For example, if a main road has a 4 way light, and the main road is open with no traffic, it will remain green until 1 or more cars approach the stop on the cross road at which time it will change. It changed lengths depending on traffic conditions. Rush hour can be a nightmare because only a few cars will make it through a green light before it changes again for a different direction. This gets worse with more than one lane and turning lanes combined. I always thought they were on a timer until my dad showed me how they worked at least here. I find this to be more in the city however. In the country they are timed because you can watch them change by themselves when there isnt anyone around haha.
 
Jet Badger
You also preserve your throwout bearing by putting it in neutral instead of keeping the clutch pressed in for long periods of time. It doesn't make that much of a difference as you'll probably replace the whole clutch before the bearing fails but if it's a beater car of unknown history there might be a chance that it'd already gone through several clutch disks on the same pressure plate and throwout bearing, so keep that in mind.

Fun fact, here you'd fail your driving test if you held the clutch in for longer than 5 seconds.
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I didn't fail my test and I did that. Glad they do not worry about that here...

Wait a second, in driving school, they never told us about not being in gear while at lights and such. What is wrong with my community? :confused:
 
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Only times I've drove "manual" have been in tractors. It can't be that hard to drive manual in a regular vehicle.
 
Slash
A lot of our lights don't work on timers but by magnetic pickups in the asphalt.
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Yeah, it's a hassle when I'm on the bike (carbon Guru). The Peugeot and Allez are fine; they're steelies. :lol:
 
CowboyAce57
Only times I've drove "manual" have been in tractors. It can't be that hard to drive manual in a regular vehicle.
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I think you would be fine as you understand how a clutch works then. 👍
 
kolio123
Wait a second, in driving school, they never told us about not being in gear while at lights and such. What is wrong with my community? :confused:
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If you drive an automatic, there's not much of a reason to put it in neutral.
 
Yeah, but if the driving school was in the US they covered 95% of the population by not saying anything about not staying in gear at a stoplight.
 

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