PC Not Booting OS from DVD

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bevo
I have a GTX 570 that I run at 1080p, and it's getting in the low 30's sometimes now in BF3. In caspian border it dropped into the 20's pretty often. That's why I'm wondering if the 1gig 6850 would be enough to run the full release version very well, since tesselation and a higher graphics setting will be added. The 570 is a little higher up the food chain then it, and the 570 looks like it's not going to be able to run BF3 maxed out, or maybe even at the high settings.

BF3 is just the newest game out right now, imagine a year from now what the big titles are going to be doing. If BF3 is pulling 1400 vram now at 1080p, then next years games might be a good bit higher then that.

All I'm saying is for 30 or 40 more $, he might give himself an extra year out of his GPU.
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I agree, I don't think a 6850 is enough if you have the budget to go higher, it is strictly a mid-range card and will be obsolete in around 2-3 years (As in will struggle with the newest games on medium settings). A 6950 should do the job but after that the price/performance ratio is too high so it's not worth it unless you have a lot of spare cash. I don't know much about the Geforce cards, but a 560 Ti should be what you're aiming for. I still stand by what I said; that a 2GB 6870 would be a good option if the 6950 pushes your budget too high.

EDIT: I've looked on Newegg and there doesn't seem to be any 2GB 6850/6870 cards. And it says the 6950 can be $209.99 with rebate, and you get a free download code for Dirt 3. I think that would be your best bet, unless it is too far over budget. If you don't mind reducing the settings a bit in favour of performance a 1GB 6850/6870 will do fine for the next couple of years, but they should be able to run F1 2011 on high settings.

I guess B3 is the new benchmark. I know a guy who just bought a £2k rig who was showing off Crysis on highest settings, I was like wow, you can run a 4 year old game... I honestly don't think it is required to play a game at max resolution on max settings.
 
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All this GPU stress talk makes my OC'd 6770 sound like a wimp.... :$ Looks like I'll be upgrading in a few years....

Guys remember, he has a $700 budget... this INCLUDES taxes and shipping..
 
bevo
That's why I'm wondering if the 1gig 6850 would be enough to run the full release version very well, since tesselation and a higher graphics setting will be added. The 570 is a little higher up the food chain then it, and the 570 looks like it's not going to be able to run BF3 maxed out, or maybe even at the high settings.
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But would that be RAM or just the card not being powerful enough... BF3 just seems like the latest resource hungry game. Things might improve a little with better drivers. You're right in that if he wants to play BF3 at higher settings he might want to opt for 2GB.

NissanSkylineN1
All this GPU stress talk makes my OC'd 6770 sound like a wimp.... :$ Looks like I'll be upgrading in a few years....
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Don't worry. I played the BF3 beta on my HD4850.

I'm sure he's aware of his budget.
 
Depending on what MacBook Pro you have, you may just need to buy a copy of Windows and run it through Boot Camp.
 
Well he wants to have a single machine to be able to play the latest games with the best quality setting while staying in his budget. We don't know what specs his macbook has but I don't think it's comparable to a HD 6950.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Don't worry. I played the BF3 beta on my HD4850.

I'm sure he's aware of his budget.
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Been talking to the wife about it, so I can assure you I'm aware of my budget. :sly: Maybe you guys can help me out a bit more.

So here is the original setup that was suggested to me. It's about $300 cheaper than the one I built for myself. http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14875611&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4169991&SID=11wj6pud6v5zh.



Other than the GPU, what's not adequate in that build to play racing games, which is what I will be playing almost exclusively?




edit: And from all of the articles I've read, Macbooks have actually downgraded their graphics cards, and can't be upgraded, which is why I'm asking about this in the first place.
 
nick09
Well he wants to have a single machine to be able to play the latest games with the best quality setting while staying in his budget. We don't know what specs his macbook has but I don't think it's comparable to a HD 6950.
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Probably not, but if he's got a 2011 15" MBP, it can definitely play the latest games with high graphics quality.

If he's got an older unibody 15" MBP or a newer 13", it can probably play the latest games too, albeit at low settings.
 
yaywalter
Probably not, but if he's got a 2011 15" MBP, it can definitely play the latest games with high graphics quality.

If he's got an older unibody 15" MBP or a newer 13", it can probably play the latest games too, albeit at low settings.
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Here's what I have, and please see my previous post, thanks!


Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP71.0039.B0B
SMC Version (system): 1.62f6




NVIDIA GeForce 320M:

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x08a0
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 3533
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1280 x 800
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
 
Zilla
Here's what I have, and please see my previous post, thanks!


Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP71.0039.B0B
SMC Version (system): 1.62f6




NVIDIA GeForce 320M:

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x08a0
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 3533
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1280 x 800
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
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I used to have a MacBook Pro with those exact specs. It'll probably struggle with the latest and greatest games at higher graphics settings, but I know that mine was able to run Fallout 3 with fairly high settings.
 
Well upgrading the RAM wouldn't be very expensive. Do you think that was the issue, or is it in the GPU?
 
Zilla
Other than the GPU, what's not adequate in that build to play racing games, which is what I will be playing almost exclusively?
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An HD6950 should be able to max out pretty much any racing games you throw at it.
 
Agreed. BF3 aside, Zilla should be able to build a very solid racing system and keep it right at budget.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
I gave my recommendations back there. The graphics card is a bit weak. Apparently f1 2011 is hard on the CPU, but it should be enough.
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F1 2010 was too. I'm CPU bound in that game. For reference I have a Core 2 Quad Q6600 running at 3.2GHz and I have a GTX 560ti. I get 45-50fps whether I'm running at maximum graphical quality or at low.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
An HD6950 should be able to max out pretty much any racing games you throw at it.
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Yup.

Regarding both the 6950 and 5770 builds -

I run CF 5770s which together are a bit slower than a 6950; I can completely max out rFactor (ie full detail, level 3 AA, 16AF, 1920x1080) and still pull 100+fps while rendering 20 or so cars in front/behind me. Sure, the framerate will dip into the high 20s if it has to simultaneously render 60+ max detail cars but that's pushing the boundaries of absurdity. GTR2, LFS, GTL, F1 2010 etc are a similar story.

On top of that my second 5770 is in a x4 electrical slot so it's gimped a bit, and then there's the deal with not all games having perfect CF scaling - I'd expect a (2GB) 6950 to be ~10% faster than my particular setup, even with my cards overclocked a bit.

These days I would avoid a single 5770 unless you're not a gamer or you don't play games made within the last five years, because by itself a 5770 is a bit underpowered. Two in Crossfire are great when CF works, but I can't recommend only using a single one anymore.
 
Zilla
I'm talking about the link from a few posts back, where the GPU is a 5770. What about that one? Here's the link again. What won't work in this setup to play racing games on high settings?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/P...na&AID=10521304&PID=4169991&SID=11wj6pud6v5zh
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As Sharky says, a single 5770 is a bit inadequate these days. If you want any amount of future proofing I would go higher. If the 6950 is out of your price range than you should be able to get a 560 Ti or 5870 for slightly less, as they should be adequate to play racing games at a good framerate with medium-high settings.

Also, I would recommend against a Seagate drive as the 7200rpm ones are known to have problems. The Samsung drive you posted on the last page has good reviews and does very well in performance benchmarks and is best in class (Don't be fooled that it only says SATA II like I was).

The AMD hex core in this selection is behind the likes of the i5 2500k sandybridge in most gaming applications, but ahead in most other such as photo editing and 3D modelling software. Both are excellent for their price, it's all down to which you can afford.

You could indeed take this build, but I would recommend swapping the hard drive out for the 1TB Samsung F3 drive and upgrading the graphics card too. If you can afford it, go for a 6950. If not, go somewhere inbetween, but above a 5770. So 6850/6870 is around what you're aiming for. Nvidia's are good but I think Radeon cards offer better bang for your buck.
 
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Seismica
As Sharky says, a single 5770 is a bit inadequate these days. If you want any amount of future proofing I would go higher. If the 6950 is out of your price range than you should be able to get a 560 Ti or 5870 for slightly less, as they should be adequate to play racing games at a good framerate with medium-high settings.

Also, I would recommend against a Seagate drive as the 7200rpm ones are known to have problems. The Samsung drive you posted on the last page has good reviews and does very well in performance benchmarks and is best in class (Don't be fooled that it only says SATA II like I was).

The AMD hex core in this selection is behind the likes of the i5 2500k sandybridge in most gaming applications, but ahead in most other such as photo editing and 3D modelling software. Both are excellent for their price, it's all down to which you can afford.
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I agree with a lot of this. A 6850 was recommended earlier in the thread as well, and that's a good cheaper option.

Those Samsung drives don't get enough respect. They seem to be good, reliable drives, and I like that Samsung doesn't artificially cripple their firmware. Sadly, Seagate has taken over Samsung's hard drive division, so I think the party's over for future products.
 
Seismica
The AMD hex core in this selection is behind the likes of the i5 2500k sandybridge in most gaming applications, but ahead in most other such as photo editing and 3D modelling software. Both are excellent for their price, it's all down to which you can afford.
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Just for clarification the CPU in there is a quad-core and is behind the i2500 in just about everything. The Samsung drive replacement is a good idea.



Another CPU/mobo combo that can be done is a P67/Z68 motherboard for ~$90 with an i5 2400 for $190. This motherboard is 95 with a $10 rebate. So $280 total, which is $85 more than the AMD combo but I feel it's worth more than that. Thinking long-term it's a good investment.

If you have a miicrocenter nearby, you can get an i5-2400 for $150 + tax.

So do that cpu setup with the samsung drive, the G.skill RAM you found, Rosewill HIVE power supply, internal dvd drive, HD6850 and a case of your choice. It should come out about $130 more than that AMD setup.
 
Speaking of microcenters, one thing I wanted to ask about is whether or not this stuff is cheaper to buy locally, considering all of the shipping costs I'd have to pay to order the whole rig from an online store.
 
Newegg's prices are usually pretty good, and their shipping is reasonable. Micro Center sometimes has sales on CPUs and video cards, but otherwise their prices can often be higher. Don't rule out Amazon either. They stock a lot of PC components.

Hey Road Dog, do you know who manufactures the Rosewill HIVE line?
 
Zilla
Speaking of microcenters, one thing I wanted to ask about is whether or not this stuff is cheaper to buy locally, considering all of the shipping costs I'd have to pay to order the whole rig from an online store.
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The CPU they probably sell at a loss. Online will be the cheapest for the rest. You can look at amazon, newegg, zipzoomfly, mwave, possibly tigerdirect. Just factor in shipping when making a decision.

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The Sapphire HD6850 can be ordered for $135 on Amazon. The 6870 is $160. OCZ ZS 550 power supply for $60. Though it's not modular.

12thgear
Newegg's prices are usually pretty good, and their shipping is reasonable. Micro Center sometimes has sales on CPUs and video cards, but otherwise their prices can often be higher. Don't rule out Amazon either. They stock a lot of PC components.

Hey Road Dog, do you know who manufactures the Rosewill HIVE line?
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I believe I saw that they were using Sirtec or at least the 650/750 units. They should be similar to the OCZ ZS models. Jonnyguru.com gave a favorable review for the 550 ZS unit.
 
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12thgear
Newegg's prices are usually pretty good, and their shipping is reasonable. Micro Center sometimes has sales on CPUs and video cards, but otherwise their prices can often be higher. Don't rule out Amazon either. They stock a lot of PC components.

Hey Road Dog, do you know who manufactures the Rosewill HIVE line?
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The build I posted was shipped for 5$ from Newegg. If you're REALLY smart about it. You can find a majority of the parts you want on Newegg with free shipping.
 
12thgear
Zilla, you've been quiet. We're excited to spend your money. Any news?
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New user name (premium/AKA Zilla)...




Anyway, no, I certainly did not get an HP.



- Intel i5-2500k
- MSI P67A-G43 motherboard
- 8GB Gskill DDR3 1066 RAM
- 1 TB Seagate HD
- HP Optical DVD drive
- 550W Antec PSU
- PNY GeForce 560Ti



Problem is, I haven't been able to boot an OS to the computer. It's been a nightmare, actually. I'm in grad. school and most days are 10 hours as it is, and trying to troubleshoot this thing has about killed me.

Narrowed it down to either CPU or RAM. The Newegg site says that the board is compatible with the RAM, but the Gskill website doesn't necessarily say that my RAM can downclock to 1333, so maybe that's the issue?


Basically it's this: No matter what the OS DVD is, I always get the "please select boot device and reboot" message. Swapped out DVD drives, replaced the motherboard, swapped out PSU's, swapped out the HDD, always the same. Will NOT boot from any OS DVD (Win7 or XP, or included MSI Winki DVD).


Think I'm going to try a replacement CPU next. If that doesn't work then I guess it must be the RAM.


Board is seated correctly with standoffs, also tried booting with only one stick of RAM. Tried it all, WITH tech. guys' help!


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Sach_F1
New user name (premium/AKA Zilla)...

Anyway, no, I certainly did not get an HP.

- Intel i5-2500k
- MSI P67A-G43 motherboard
- 8GB Gskill DDR3 1066 RAM
- 1 TB Seagate HD
- HP Optical DVD drive
- 550W Antec PSU
- PNY GeForce 560Ti

Problem is, I haven't been able to boot an OS to the computer. It's been a nightmare, actually. I'm in grad. school and most days are 10 hours as it is, and trying to troubleshoot this thing has about killed me.

Narrowed it down to either CPU or RAM. The Newegg site says that the board is compatible with the RAM, but the Gskill website doesn't necessarily say that my RAM can downclock to 1333, so maybe that's the issue?


Basically it's this: No matter what the OS DVD is, I always get the "please select boot device and reboot" message. Swapped out DVD drives, replaced the motherboard, swapped out PSU's, swapped out the HDD, always the same. Will NOT boot from any OS DVD (Win7 or XP, or included MSI Winki DVD).


Think I'm going to try a replacement CPU next. If that doesn't work then I guess it must be the RAM.


Board is seated correctly with standoffs, also tried booting with only one stick of RAM. Tried it all, WITH tech. guys' help!


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Have you made sure you changed the primary boot device from Hard drive to Optical Drive in the BIOS? When I was messing around in the BIOS when I first booted it, if I left it idle for too long it would repeatedly ask for a boot device or something along those lines. (You've probably already done this, but sometimes the simplest of mistakes are the easiest to make)

If it's booting up but not loading the disc after doing this, try re-seating the data and power connections for both your HDD and your DVD/Optical drive.
 

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