PC-users are the best gamers

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Pc-gebruikers zijn beste gamers

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Pc-gebruikers kunnen beter gamen dan eigenaars van een spelconsole, blijkt uit een geschrapt project van Microsoft. Het bedrijf wilde een spel ontwikkelen waarbij gamers op de pc en de Xbox - de console van Microsoft - het online tegen elkaar zouden kunnen opnemen.

Tijdens tests bleek echter dat de Xbox-spelers telkens verloren, zelfs wanneer ze het opnamen tegen middelmatige pc-gamers. De oorzaak daarvoor zou zijn dat je op een spelconsole niet hetzelfde niveau van detail of controle krijgt als op een pc. (hln/sam)
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PC-users are better gamers than people who own a game console. This is the conclusion of a cancelled Microsoft project. Microsoft wanted to develop a game where pc and Xbox gamers would be able to play against each other online.

Tests showed however that Xbox players were losing over and over again when playing against pc gamers. Even when the Xbox players took on an average/mediocre pc gamer.
This is apperently caused due the less detailed graphics or due to less control (game control) of the console (Xbox in this case).

Who said that pc gaming is over? I've always preferred the PS3 over pc gaming. PC gaming is more expensive as you always have to upgrade your computer to be able to play the latest games at a decent fps. But I always seem to buy pc games because graphics is, besides a sim based physics enging (I only play race games), the most important thing for me although a pc can give you more frustration than a console.

I hope the next playstation, PS4, will be as powerful as a pc.
 
Oh lordy, this is gonna be good.

Pull up a chair and don't forget the popcorn.
 
Yeah, I saw this a couple days back. No major news, keyboard + mouse gives better control over game-pads.
 
Nothing new here. And go from FPS and imagine trying to play an RTS against a guy on a PC when you are on an XBOX.

Would be :lol:
 
It depends which type of game is being played really, FPS's are easier to play on PC, but I imagine it would be quite equal if they used a racing game.
 
This argument doesn't really apply to racing games... Keyboard vs Pad is no contest, pad is way better due to the analogue controls. But if you're using a wheel on both then the gameplay should be about the same (I know you get like an extra Logitech menu and such on the PC, but that's just nitpicking)

First person shooters, PC obviously.

However, one may convince themselves they are better at the console version. The reason being, the calibre of console players is generally lower. Having played COD MW2 on PC, PS3 and Xbox 360, I know the standard of players of the PC version is higher. I always do better on the console versions, despite the quick and accurate aiming that the mouse enables.
 
The fact is due to the more accessible and cheaper nature of consoles there's alot more kids with no idea who don't take things to seriously so it's no surprise that on average the PC gamers are better. That said I think on balance the top % of players on any system will be doing as well as the others with the hardware they have (seeing as being on a console you're all on gamepads and PC you'll all at least have access to a mouse + keyboard).
 
Dragonistic
The fact is due to the more accessible and cheaper nature of consoles there's alot more kids with no idea who don't take things to seriously so it's no surprise that on average the PC gamers are better. That said I think on balance the top % of players on any system will be doing as well as the others with the hardware they have (seeing as being on a console you're all on gamepads and PC you'll all at least have access to a mouse + keyboard).
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Growing on this, a lot of PC gamers have been playing for much longer as well. I started playing Quake back in the late 90's, and then a lot of CS, which taught cover usage and how to move around maps and position yourself.

And those skills translate rapidly to games like MW2 and Halo, as it took me not long at all to go from being the bottom of my team in MW2 to the top.
 
i read the article on eurogamer.

This was kind of obvious.
this is why i'm excited about Move. Finally playing an FPS like you should.
But mouse will always be more confortable with the arm and wirst releaxed
 
Everything I would have said has been said already. The one thing I probably can add is that the Wiimote, PS Move, and Kinect (simply for comparison's sake) won't close the gap, and for one critical reason: There's no physical medium in-between the motion controllers, it's simply you, the controller, and inertia. Before you even consider trying to master any technique you'll be nearly exhausted before you're even a rank amateur.

Of course I exaggerate a bit, but with a mouse there's sensitivity settings, a mouse pad (and various types of gaming mousepads that increase grip (control) or enhance speed (smooth surface). In order for the gap to be closed, or at least met...controllers will either have to adopt some type of hybrid design or adopt a mouse-type peripheral that can be used in conjunction with some type of pad/keyboard-like controller. When it comes to FPS I'm obviously a more focused person on the PC but if I'm not being annoyed for some loud mouthed, ten year old squeaking SOB...I'm not bad there either.
 
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One test they could do which I imagine would yield a closer result is a cross-platform between XBox 360 and PS3 users. Since they both have generally the same buttons (although in slightly different positions), I could see it being fairly close. Console versus PC, as has been said already, is no contest in regards to FPS games. Speaking of which, I for one an am absolute dog at console FPS games, but I'm pretty decent at the PC versions.
 
I've played video games my whole life on consoles, but I do know that PC gamers are generally better. I would be playing on PC right now if I had one that could run a good game without my computer having a heart attack.
 
Others have already covered the fact that the PC has a better interface, but I'd like to point out another more subtle effect. The PC interface has been the same since forever. When I get a new FPS I know I'm going to configure the controls so that it behaves in exactly the same way the last FPS I had behaved so that I can immediately leverage all of that practice I had. On a console, I spend 20 minutes just getting my brain to remember which button does what - and every console is a little different.
 
Danoff
Others have already covered the fact that the PC has a better interface, but I'd like to point out another more subtle effect. The PC interface has been the same since forever. When I get a new FPS I know I'm going to configure the controls so that it behaves in exactly the same way the last FPS I had behaved so that I can immediately leverage all of that practice I had. On a console, I spend 20 minutes just getting my brain to remember which button does what - and every console is a little different.
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This is also true but there are console gamers (though not most) who only know one system very well. I'm one of them, started gaming on the original PlayStation over 10 years back now and I've only owned Sony systems since which means though the controllers have had changes it's been gradual and I've gone with the changes quite easily.

I've also been gaming for a long time, 6 or 7 if not more of those years have been in online environments including some competitive gaming on ladders and in tournaments which makes me above average on games I've never played before (to many peoples annoyance when I beat their records they worked so hard for or finish sections they've been stuck on for ages in a couple of attempts) even on different systems as I'm a naturally quick learner anyway.

That said I feel more like an exception in the console world and most of the stats and scores I put up back that up as despite putting less time into alot of games I still out perform or match (as GTPers from the MW2 thread can vouch for) much more experienced players. Not that I'm some sort of super gamer, but I feel like I'm above average in most genres I play.

Side note: How many people here are only good at one particular genre? I notice there's alot of players who are good at driving games but awful and shooters and vice versa but I feel I'm decent in most of the big genres and their sub sections (such as arcade and sim driving rather then one or the other).
 
Dragonistic
Side note: How many people here are only good at one particular genre? I notice there's alot of players who are good at driving games but awful and shooters and vice versa but I feel I'm decent in most of the big genres and their sub sections (such as arcade and sim driving rather then one or the other).
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I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I would say I'm really good at shooters; FPS or 3rd person. I've spent countless hours playing them, and improving my reflexes, hearing, etc.

At racing games I am fairly good.. If you can get fairly quick lap times in a game like GT5P, then you know you're "good" in society's standards. Obviously, it's completely different in a game's online community like GTPlanet. Now, ask some of your friends to do a lap around a track in GT4 or GT5P and they'll probably go off the track in the first corner, or slow down or almost stop before taking the corner.
 
Same reason it seems PS3 FPS's wont let you use the keyboard and mouse even though the PS3 supports them. This is the main reason I can't stand FPS's on consoles.
 
Dragonistic
This is also true but there are console gamers (though not most) who only know one system very well. I'm one of them, started gaming on the original PlayStation over 10 years back now and I've only owned Sony systems since which means though the controllers have had changes it's been gradual and I've gone with the changes quite easily.

I've also been gaming for a long time, 6 or 7 if not more of those years have been in online environments including some competitive gaming on ladders and in tournaments which makes me above average on games I've never played before (to many peoples annoyance when I beat their records they worked so hard for or finish sections they've been stuck on for ages in a couple of attempts) even on different systems as I'm a naturally quick learner anyway.
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Yea but I use a mouse every day for 8 hours a day and get paid for it. All I do is think and it goes to the right place on the screen. I'm barely even aware that my hands are doing anything on the keyboard or mouse. There's no comparison with the level of experience you get with PC interfaces. That being said, if you've been at it for 6 or 7 years on a very similar console interface, maybe it doesn't matter that you've had more years and time on the PC. Beyond a certain point, it's just second nature.

Dragonistic
Side note: How many people here are only good at one particular genre?
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When I used to game with my friends a lot, I routinely won at everything. FPS, RTS, GT3 and 4... I even won at games like Star Trek. I got good enough at GT3 to get on the podium of the GTP WRS a few times, which I consider an accomplishment. Gold on all the license tests, etc. etc.
 
kikie
PC-users are better gamers than people who own a game console. This is the conclusion of a cancelled Microsoft project.
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However, what those PC gamers really think is:
PC-users are better people than those who own a game console. This is the conclusion of years of snobbery and elitism.
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And this is coming from someone who puts far more hours into PC games than console games nowadays. Enter a PC only forum and the amount of people bashing consoles isn't from this world, LFS vs. GT being a very good comparison - the LFS guys are far too busy building their own ivory towers to see that GT is passing their baby in just about everything including physics accuracy. They also see every console gamer as a lowly species that gets everything handed to them on a golden plate because console games are so easy and forgiving. I've yet to see the same thing working in the opposite direction, usually the console people take a look at the PC games and say "you have a fine game there and you're playing it pretty well" and that's it.

Note: I'm not trying to shoot down all PC gamers as I'm even one myself. If you're a PC gamer that can appreciate good console games and gamers, good for you. If only all the PC gamers were like you.
 
This study has nothing to do with who are the better gamers. It is what is the more effective medium to play FPS games.

Swap the teams, and the PC players will still probably win.
 
DQuaN
This study has nothing to do with who are the better gamers. It is what is the more effective medium to play FPS games.

Swap the teams, and the PC players will still probably win.
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Then the Dutch article I read is wrong. It clearly says that pc gamers are better than console gamers.
 
Jay
Same reason it seems PS3 FPS's wont let you use the keyboard and mouse even though the PS3 supports them. This is the main reason I can't stand FPS's on consoles.
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I was just about to ask why no mouse+keyboard option for the PS3 and XBOX has been mentioned yet. But I guess Jay's post explained it.

I only have 1 FPS for the PS2, and never had any fun with it due to the slow and inaccurate aiming with the pad sticks. I prefer my racing games on a console and my FPS games on a PC.
 
The only PS3 game I've played that supports a mouse + keyboard is Unreal Tournament 3. It also lets you import maps, mods, skins, etc that people make in the Unreal Engine program. We need more games like this, where the PC and console community come together.
 
Dragonistic
Side note: How many people here are only good at one particular genre? I notice there's alot of players who are good at driving games but awful and shooters and vice versa but I feel I'm decent in most of the big genres and their sub sections (such as arcade and sim driving rather then one or the other).
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I'm good at driving games (Though on forums like this i'm sort of average. I reckon If I was in the GT_Registry I would be Division 2 Bronze/Division 3 Gold, but as I don't own my own PS3 i've never attempted it). But I am absolutely terrible at fighting games (The likes of Tekken, Street Fighter etc.). I'm good at some shooting games but poor at others, it's all about practice with those though. I seem to be better at games like Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid, than games like COD. Not because COD is harder (Which tbh, it really isn't - If anything it's easier), but because it is much faster paced then the other two, especially in the online. I like to take my time.

You see, with driving games it's very predictable. Once you know the circuit, you only need to focus on getting your braking points and your lines right, and you only need react if there is another car in your path (When overtaking or being overtaken). But in fighting games you have to constantly react to your opponents every move, which is something I am not so good at. That transfers to RE5 and MGS4 aswell, because they're slower paced than COD it means I am generally better at it.

Playing slo-mo mode on SSB Melee for the Gamecube reinforced this theory. On normal mode I was being consistently beaten by my mates. On sped-up mode I was being absolutely slaughtered. On slow-mo, it was the other way around, I was beating them easily. Reaction time is my achilles heel in all games.
 
The PS3 supports mouse and keyboard play natively. Unreal Tournament 3 had it, as mentioned above. Blame the developers.

Greycap
They also see every console gamer as a lowly species that gets everything handed to them on a golden plate because console games are so easy and forgiving.
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I know it isn't remotely what you meant, but console players do generally put up with a lot more nonsense (using the most polite word I can think of) from developers and publishers than PC players do, especially in this console generation; which probably has something to do with the stigma. That is part of the reason that the Modern Warfare 2 backlash was so huge on the PC.

Dragonistic
Side note: How many people here are only good at one particular genre?
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I'm good a fighting games and platformers, and decent to middling at everything else. I'm better than I was at racing games, but I'm much worse than I used to be at shmups.
 

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