Pedal Question

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Sorry if this a question that has been asked a million times. I searched for it and there were just too many threads and none of them seemed to be asking the question I am.

I am planning on buying a Logitech Driving Force GT. I know that most people believe the G25/27 are the better choice but I just want a wheel to practice with instead of this blasted DS3/2 I've been using for the past decade or so since GT first came out. Plus, it's cheaper.

Anyway, here is the question: I was looking at the Driving Force GT's pedals and I was unaware that there was no clutch--I know that GT5 supports one--and that the pedals were of such low quality. I've seen mods to the pedals and thought of maybe trying that out but the main question I guess I am asking is do I need to buy a pedal set with a clutch or is the clutch really not that necessary and I should just mod the pedals?

Sorry this is such a long post.
 
I've had a G25 since they first came out. As far as the clutch I'm not that fond of it, in reality I have removed the clutch and put my brake pedal where it was. My pedals are inverted.
 
Having clutch pedal (I have a G25) is nice for some racing games where oit is enabled, or can be used as a 'button'; as I do in F1 2011 for example - I map mine to be my KERS button:).

Most GT contests do not allow use of clutch. Some make the G25/G27 clutch the brake pedal because it has more resistance - feels more (stiff) like a brake pedal.

If you can, get a G27 (at least-there are Fanataec and Thrustmaster ones as well), may be cheapest high end wheel (quieter wheel than DFGT too).
 
Okay. That was my original assumption but just wanted to make sure before I bought anything. I'll check out some reviews of the G25 but, if I like it, I'll probably end up just getting the G27. I kind of wanted to get the Driving Force GT because it's what is used at most competitions. To my knowledge, that is.
 
The top players don't necessarily use the best equipment. I'd bet the reason for the DFGT being used more is that it's cheaper and therefore more accessible. By the same token, I would bet that more people use rubber dome keyboards in competition than mechanical keyboards.

There isn't much you can do to mod the DFGT pedals, other than adding a rubber ball or something. Or at least I haven't seen many mods. The G27's pedals, on the other hand, can be modded in many ways, such as a replacement brake spring (Nixim or GTEYE), the Perfect Pedal, hard mounting, inverting, etc.
 
GT's clutch is terrible, if you already have a clutch pedal setup then use it but if GT is all you play then think twice before splashing out.

G25/27 are nice though.
 
I would go G27. Had a DFGT and upgraded to a G27 and it's really in a different league. The DFGT pedals are absolute crap. G27's are much better, plus you get a clutch which is nice. The wheel feel and FFB are better too.
 
Thanks for all the feedback. I think I'll be getting the G27. Just have to wait an extra week, which isn't asking too much since I've been playing without one for so long.
 
I don't think you'll be disappointed. Extra features are always nice to have, even if you might not use them all the time. Also:
You get what you pay for.

Buy once, buy it right. Well sorta for this one.
 
I just started using a G27 and the wheel is a blast, I don´t know how it compares to the DFGT but if you can spare the extra $$$, I think you should go for it, from all that I've been read here and in other places before buying it.
 
I own both a G25 and DFGT as well as a Fanatec GT2. Now that GT5 properly supports G25/27, I'd say that it is well worth buying over the DFGT.

The key differences: DFGT has much more accessible buttons, including a PS button (G25 requires you to keep a controller handy for that) and the unique tuning wheel which comes in handy occasionally. In terms of force feedback, the DFGT isn't bad, but you get less turning resistance (faster spin speeds) and more FFB nuance with the G25. The paddles on the DFGT are poor (G25 paddles are great), and the DFGT sequential shifter is mediocre - i hated it. But the real difference is pedals. Particularly the brake is lacking, you can get little nuance out of it... However if you only drive with ABS=1 in GT5 then you don't need nuance. Since the large no-ABS and tyre model improvements in 2.06 I'd say being able to nuance braking has become more important for GT5, though.

One note though: if I was looking to spend around €250, there are two Fanatec bundles (one with the CSR, the other with the GT3 RS) at the same kind of price. Those packages are very competitive with the G27, and worth a look via Fanatec's website. You owe it to yourself to give at least a little thought to Fanatec, since their belt-drive wheels offer a set of pluses and minuses compared to Logitech, such as wider rim, more subtle FFB (less notchy due to use of belt not cogs), different rim materials, on wheel customisation options, Xbox compatibility (only the CSR though).



I am a very happy Fanatec owner, using the GT2 along with the awesome clubsports pedals, although that brings it to a different price range so I'm not suggesting you should go that far with your first ever wheel....
 
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I own both a G25 and DFGT as well as a Fanatec GT2. Now that GT5 properly supports G25/27, I'd say that it is well worth buying over the DFGT.

The key differences: DFGT has much more accessible buttons, including a PS button (G25 requires you to keep a controller handy for that) and the unique tuning wheel which comes in handy occasionally. In terms of force feedback, the DFGT isn't bad, but you get less turning resistance (faster spin speeds) and more FFB nuance with the G25. The paddles on the DFGT are poor (G25 paddles are great), and the DFGT sequential shifter is mediocre - i hated it. But the real difference is pedals. Particularly the brake is lacking, you can get little nuance out of it... However if you only drive with ABS=1 in GT5 then you don't need nuance. Since the large no-ABS and tyre model improvements in 2.06 I'd say being able to nuance braking has become more important for GT5, though.

One note though: if I was looking to spend around €250, there are two Fanatec bundles (one with the CSR, the other with the GT3 RS) at the same kind of price. Those packages are very competitive with the G27, and worth a look via Fanatec's website. You owe it to yourself to give at least a little thought to Fanatec, since their belt-drive wheels offer a set of pluses and minuses compared to Logitech, such as wider rim, more subtle FFB (less notchy due to use of belt not cogs), different rim materials, on wheel customisation options, Xbox compatibility (only the CSR though).



I am a very happy Fanatec owner, using the GT2 along with the awesome clubsports pedals, although that brings it to a different price range so I'm not suggesting you should go that far with your first ever wheel....
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Even though I just said go G27, if you have a little spare cash over that, the CSR XL bundle is even better than a G27. Like a lot better. You get 2 shifters, better than the G27 shifter, the fanatec wheel has smoother FFB, and the CSR elite pedals have a load cell brake.
 
I had almost completely forgotten about Fanatech (shame on me, I know). From the sound of things, I think I'm going to have to make a graph of pros and cons, haha. But, in all seriousness, I'll check out those Fanatech bundles.

Again, thank you all for the advice. You all have been very helpful and informative.
 
I have a Sears Kenmore 117.841 that needs a new foot pedal. It has a .9 amp motor and I'm having trouble finding a foot pedal rated for that motor. Can I use a foot pedal rated for a higher amp motor?
 

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