Pedal upgrade

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Hi everyone,
for the last few weeks my GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) has spiked a lot since new Fanatec CSP v3 was revealed. V3 looks nice and all but what are the best pedals out there if I wanted to upgrade?
For the reference, my current setup can be found here (missing only CSS shifter):
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-up-and-man-cave.133075/page-45#post-10052235

As I mentioned before there is a small issue with RS1 pedal plate flex if it is raised up (about 45 degree in current setup). I'm using socks not shoes so don't want too heavy brake pedal.
So what would be the best upgrade option? I have not seen any CSP v3 reviews yet.
Compatibility with consoles is not an issue, PC gaming only (pCars, AC and most likely will return to iRacing as well). I'm using clutch when driving for fun so 3 pedal setup is mandatory. I'd be ready to spend up to 700-800 eur if it is worth it.

So what would you suggest for CSP v2 upgrade if anything? Currently I want to try out v3 but with 2 dampers the price would be about 500eur or so. I'd especially appreciate some feedback from users who had csp v1/v2 and upgraded to something else.
 
If money is no object and your rig can fit it, I'd say Sim Pedals. Plus, our very own @mrbasher did the wiring for the pedals and Jon is an all-star. I'm waiting for my CSR E pedals to break before I upgrade my equipment, but I've got my eye on the CSP v3s (and CSW v2).


Jerome
 
I had CSPv1 and upgraded to the CSPv2, i passed on the CSPv3 because they are basically the CSPv2 with a new load cell and some additional dampers and i went for the Heusinkveld Pro Pedals.

Major upgrade. The difference between the CSPv2 and the HE-pros is mega.
 
uncle_git
I've CSP V3's with the V2 base and BMW rim on the way to PDX with the dampers if your want to try them out when they arrive
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Orly? hmm I'd love to try that setup out sometime. PM me when they get in, are you on the east side of town or west? 👍


Jerome
 
HoiHman, can you use brake pedal with socks only? I don't want to use shoes.
Watched some reviews and HE Pro's could be my choice. Seems built very well and I could keep csp v2 as a backup/console version (in case some miracle happens and GT7 is any good... ok, stop dreaming :D).
 
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HoiHman
... i went for the Heusinkveld Pro Pedals.
Major upgrade. The difference between the CSPv2 and the HE-pros is mega.
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I received mine today. It is true that the difference with CSPs is far above my expectations.
Even the feeling of the throttle pedal is something very different.

Surprisingly I managed to mount them on my Rseat RS1 without drilling any hole... but the rig flexes like hell every time I brake :eek:

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I hope the CSP V3 will close part of the gap between V2 and that kind of high-end pedals.
 
@bomarfield Yes you can use the HE-pros with socks, but they feel better with shoes

@TGR_Kefran : Nice 👍

I see you went for the 2 pedal option. I never use the clutch either, but i couldn't bring self to buying a highend pedalset without the clutch. Just in case i might start using the clutch in the future.

So i designed my own pedal plate and put the brake and the gaspedal in the same position as your 2 pedal solution. The clutch is way to the left and still usable in case i want to use.

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The difference with the CSPv2 is pretty big and since Fanatec is staying with the same design it will be the same for the CSPv3. A damper and a heavier loadcell will not give the same feel as the HE-Pros. The Heusinkveld pedals don't need any fancy red colours the spice them up. When you have them in your hands you see instantly that this is something special. When you start to investigate them, you can see how R&D has gone in to this.


I'm keeping my CSPv2 for console gaming. I made a "quick release" system. By unscrewing the 2 bolts on the front side of the base plate i can take out the HE-Pros and put the CSPv2 in. |This takes only a couple of minutes.

It's much easier brake harder on the HE-pros than on the CSPv2's. Because the brake pedal has a lot more feel in it. The CSPv2 feel like a plank compared to the HE-pros. I also had some flex in the rig, also because it's made out of 2 parts (seat and pedals stand). The left vertical 80/20 bar holds the pedal stand down and eliminates the flex.

Always said that i would never use shoes for racing, but i said the same about using gloves and seatbelts.

Now i use them all :D
 
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@TGR_Kefran,
exactly what I was afraid of. Have you tried flipping the RS1 pedal plate over?
I found in iRacing forum that it helps. I would appreciate if you try this out and let us know if this works.
 
bomarfield
@TGR_Kefran,
exactly what I was afraid of. Have you tried flipping the RS1 pedal plate over?
I found in iRacing forum that it helps. I would appreciate if you try this out and let us know if this works.
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The RS1 has not been designed for pedals on which we apply that kind of pressure.
I know the "plate flip trick" but it won't solve the problem. You should see how this thing flexes ! It is just far above the specifications the Rseat guys worked on.

In addition, the Heusinkveld pedals are quite vertical compared to G27, TM or Fanatec so the Rseat plate has to be put in the horizontal position (0 degree).... the position were it flexes the most (bad luck).

The only solution I can see would be to modify the pedals support of the Rseat. I won't do it as I planned to upgrade my rig anyway.


HoiHman
@TGR_Kefran : Nice 👍
I see you went for the 2 pedal option. I never use the clutch either, but i couldn't bring self to buying a highend pedalset without the clutch. Just in case i might start using the clutch in the future.
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I understand your point and I was hesitating too but I saw that Heusinkveld webshop now gives the option to buy the Clutch pedal as a stand alone upgrade. I chose to wait and see if I need it later on... but on my CSP V2, I removed the clutch so I guess I will stay with the 2-pedals configuration on the H Pro too.


HoiHman
Always said that i would never use shoes for racing, but i said the same about using gloves and seatbelts.
Now i use them all :D
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I have always said that seatbelts was the line I would not cross ! So far, I sticked to it but... never say never :lol:
 
bomarfield
HoiHman, can you use brake pedal with socks only? I don't want to use shoes.
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Thing is, part of what's so captivating about having pedals of this quality is that it kind of seems wrong to not wear shoes.

For what it's worth though - I have CST Performance pedals, and could certainly choose to wear just socks.

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Going from CSP V1 pedals, these were beasts that had a magnificent aura......... and deserved shoes. From stock they didn't have a degressive clutch, but they're not available now anyway.

Have you checked out these?..... https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/pt-1-pedal-set-waiting-list-details-inside.291290/
 
@LeMansAid, yes I did look at Barry's PT-1 review this weekend.
I think this would be a good option for me to consider as well but I see they already have some kind of waiting list.
I'd like to see some mid-term experience for using these pedals as well. HE has already gone through this initial phase that you have to make some adjustments and such. Price is not that big of an argument for me (which obviously is a big plus for ProtoSimTech).
So basically at the moment I'd go for HE Pro's if I could figure out the mounting problems on RS1. Flipping over the pedal plate would lower the placement too much. To be honest this makes me a very sad panda since otherwise RS1 is great.
 
I have HE Pros and use them wearing socks no problem. It's fine. I can get maximum brake pressure without any pain!
 
Mr Latte
Question, (dont laugh)
Can these be made work with T500Rs on Console

Is Mr Basher needed?
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Not sure if they can be made to work, but you would need Mr Basher.

To solve the problem of keeping console compatibility i made a "quick release" system for my pedals:
With only 2 bolts i can exchange the HE-pros with the CSPv2 within a couple of minutes.

bomarfield
Received mail from UPS that something was shipped from Netherlands.
Can't wait :D
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Congrats :cheers:, you will love them.
 
bomarfield
HoiHman, can you use brake pedal with socks only? I don't want to use shoes.
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Not to argue your choice, but just curious:
I know a lot of sim racers like to drive barefoot or only with socks.
While the same people sometimes criticise pedals for being not close enough in feel to real car pedals etc... I have never seen a race car driver racing with socks, let alone bare footed.
What is the point if you want realism and full immersion ?
I'm not wearing my race suit, nor helmet, nor gloves, not safety belts, but I would never drive without (racing) shoes.
While my Sparco karting boots are too warm for sim racing, I bought some Puma driving shoes with a pretty stiff sole and I like them a lot.
 
Fanapryde
Not to argue your choice, but just curious:
I know a lot of sim racers like to drive barefoot or only with socks.
While the same people sometimes criticise pedals for being not close enough in feel to real car pedals etc... I have never seen a race car driver racing with socks, let alone bare footed.
What is the point if you want realism and full immersion ?
I'm not wearing my race suit, nor helmet, nor gloves, not safety belts, but I would never drive without (racing) shoes.
While my Sparco karting boots are too warm for sim racing, I bought some Puma driving shoes with a pretty stiff sole and I like them a lot.
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I know that I'm not the one that was asked the question, but still.
For me (I'm sure I'm a minority) cerebral palsy makes me "heat up" more quickly (Not to mention the hassle of putting the shoes on ). So I guess it is just the convenience and "freedom" for your feet. Usually simracers do a long stints.

I'm planning to get CSP v3 (don't know how it will work out for me)
 
As for socks it´s very unpleasant on the HE ultimates. They carve into the feet. You can use kung fu ninja shoes which is as close as you can get to be bare foot. So you can move silently and sneek up to the prey ;). Still give some stability.

You really want shoes and the extra stability they bring for the long run or you will rearrange bones in your brake foot ;). I would need to find some inserts if I really wanted to run these with socks even less barefoot.

Each to their own I have been questioned for not using an integral helmet by a real racer if I want to simulate racing ;)
Shoes or not is the same thing.

Running barefeet you get more feel for the pedals and it can be beneficial if you run soft enough pedals like the clubsports or nixim modded G27s or something. But yes in most race cars it would be quite unpleasant not running with shoes.

I think just about all the after market options is better then the clubsports :)
 
I wear light driving moccasins when sim racing. They are not racing boots but driving shoes. They have a light flexible sole. I drive with CSP v2 and the brake has the default spring provided by Fanatec and with the thicker oil in the damper. I can easily feel the brake and it is just at the threshold of painful under full breaking. To each his own but it would not be comfortable for me to drive bare/sock footed. I do like the feel of the pedal which I get from the driving shoes which is significantly more than I would get from a hard soled street shoe.
 
Received Pro's today :)
Mounted on RS1 without having to drill a single hole (actually bought cordless drill for this purpose but it turned out I needed it anyway to properly mount controller box - holes in HE pedal plate were too tight). I have both straight and angled brackets and currently pedals sits on straight bracket and I will try angled ones as well.
Calibrated and run few test laps in PCars and this thing is rock solid! Braking feel was just amazing with Formula Rookie. I'm running with default white rubbers. Throttle is sooo smooth which I really like comparing to CSP v2. Did not try clutch in-game yet though.
Mounting itself was exhausting due to fact I didn't know what would be the best way to mount it etc. And then noticed that it's actually doable to mount without drilling any holes. Had to redo things several times and went to buy some additional bolts (spent 1 more Eur LOL :D).
I'll add some pics later.

Tested with socks and do not feel any need for racing shoes. I just like it this way.
 

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