People of Britain, we have a problem! Now, how can we solve it?

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As most of you should now know, British Leyland died going into the 1980's, and now I have realised the worrying truth. The death of British Leyland pretty much killed the British car industry. I mean we only have one mainstream manafacturer, Vauxhall. And their cars aren't even English as they are just rebadged Opel's, which are of course German. So, how do you think this problem can be solved?
 
British Leyland died because it was a Nationalised concern and everything it turned out was complete crap. Seriously, of the 5 worst cars I can think of, 4 are BL (Morris Ital, Triumph Acclaim, Austin Allegro, Austin Princess). Hell, the fifth one might be too. Even the Mini sold at a loss, and it's quite a hard job making the world's most popular and iconic car lose you money...

However, we do build some of the best and best-made cars in the world - even if they aren't from British manufacturers.
 
Yeah that's true and i'd imagine it is probably too expensive for many companies to employ people in this country, or they'd choose somewhere cheaper to make their cars. Although we do build some good low volume sports cars which is something. I'm not too sure we'll see any big companies emerge here, just factories from foreign makers although some of those have closed...
 
Yes - we're really good at slightly-unhinged, low volume stuff, generally because it's the idea of one guy and a bunch of his mates make them, so they retain a sense of pride in them. Larger volume stuff either gets bought out (Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover) or quality suffers (TVR).

Or at building stuff for other people who won't take the crap off them that people who want votes will.
 
Yeah that's true and i'd imagine it is probably too expensive for many companies to employ people in this country, or they'd choose somewhere cheaper to make their cars. Although we do build some good low volume sports cars which is something. I'm not too sure we'll see any big companies emerge here, just factories from foreign makers although some of those have closed...
It's a shame that Rover went out of business. They were the only mainstream manfacturer left that we could call truly British. But I must admit, from what I have heard some of the car that British Leyland built were...not good to be polite! I could say worse!
 
For some reason, we British cannot design a reliable car. We can do fast, we can do good handling, we can even build reliable cars designed in another country - but we can't do it ourselves. You expect a TVR to break down, but you're unlikely to drive it more that 5,000 miles a year, so that's alright. But the market Rover and BL were in - family hatchbacks/saloons - required reliability as a major selling point, and we're just no good at it.
 
You guys build a pretty decent car, my Mini is probably the most solid car I have ever had. Yes I know it's owned by BMW and has a Peugeot engine in but it is still screwed together in Oxford and it's a hell of a car.
 
Many thought that it was 'lame', including the name. If I can recall, the build quality was not very formidable, as was performance... It was also rather expensive.

As for the problem at hand, is that why Aston Martin is pushing to create 'entry-level' cars?
 
You guys build a pretty decent car, my Mini is probably the most solid car I have ever had. Yes I know it's owned by BMW and has a Peugeot engine in but it is still screwed together in Oxford and it's a hell of a car.
When all were doing is contracted to build for an outside comapny we do a smashing job more often than not. We've got some fantastic engineers and what not here in the UK. I think a lot of the problems come from managment, we don't know how to manage mass production car manufacture anymore. We do the small and nich stuff fantastically well, the stuff where you expect the odd problem here and there but the cars just worth it anyway because it provides an experience every time you turn the key. We do cars that try to kill you very well too, think TVR and Marcos, where it doesn't matter if the car will break down after 7000 miles, it will have killed you by then anyway. We can mass produce under foreign managment perfectly fine, we can build some very nice and well put together cars, I just don't think we can manage the big stuff over here.
 
I agree that England needs to get back into the car business by making their own cars. There are cars you make for other manufacturers that are quite well built--so why couldn't that be applied to a new Rover?

Find someone filthy rich, restart Rover with private money, buy the license to use other companies platforms to start out on, build great reliable cars, then watch the money roll in..?
 
the american manufacturers are churning out loads of rubbish cars. witness the chevy cobalt. chrysler sebring/ dodge avenger/ ford 500/ taurus. the trucks are ok, but a truck is a glorified farmers implement. hardly a car is it. SUVs are nancy boy trucks for the most part.

of course i think we have a less discerning clientele here. just make it big and comfy and you have a shot of making a profit.

the japanese are making duller and duller cars by the day. this new accord is just ****e. it may do everything well, but its a bit unappealing innit? we know most toyotas to be slightly better than your mums dishwasher. isuzu has had to finally capitulate. nissan is trying too hard. mitsubishi is still on the brink. what have subaru done to their most popular car? suzuki has never not been a fringe player, perennially on the outside looking in. and so on.

the germans are becoming outlandish or boring.

everybody is sucking really. i think the last "significant car" besides the mustang was the MINI. and both of them are knockoffs of old cars. i should really say the mercedes CLS but i think its hideous, and besides, its pricing is beyond most people.

nobody is moving the game on much. there is a pronounced lack of flair and charisma at ordinary price points.
 
JCE
I agree that England needs to get back into the car business by making their own cars. There are cars you make for other manufacturers that are quite well built--so why couldn't that be applied to a new Rover?

Find someone filthy rich, restart Rover with private money, buy the license to use other companies platforms to start out on, build great reliable cars, then watch the money roll in..?

They tried that.

Rover has the wrong image in any case - it makes old cars for old people. The MG rebrand fooled some kids, but nowhere near enough.

The only type of car British people are capable of designing is a midlifecrisismobile - 2 seat convertible or coupe with lots of heavy power up front driving the wheels at the back. Though occasionally we get it very right (Atom, Esprit Elise) or very, very badly wrong (everything else).
 
Was the Austin Princess really that bad? James May loved it.

I think you've answered your own question there.


Am I right in thinking that you guys pretty much run Ford of Europe?

I think Germany is the driving force behind Ford Europe, Britain do/did a lot of the chassis development work and have usually developed the more sporting models.
 
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