Playstation 3 vs. Xbox 360 Discussion Thread

[Dead_Poetic]

If I hadnt bought a ps3 when I did, I would most likely be trying to save up for the 360 elite version honestly. I have never used a 360 before, but I really like how you have a gamerscore on live. I wish that the ps3 had something like that.

 

[TopHat]

Yeah, the Elite is sexy. Too bad it makes my system completley obsolete. Aaah well I'm still gonna get a black controller.

 

[Wolfe]

I can certainly say that I've seen a lot worse than just overheating and slow-down from 360's, as I said in my previous post, I know a 360 owner who is now on his third console. All down to the same issue, the machine is kept in a well ventilated location, yet on two occasions when switched on the unit has failed (ring of death - all lights on red). Contact MS and while they are happy to replace the unit, they are generally quite reluctant to discuss the nature of the problem.

This is not an isolated issue by any means, GT Planet has a thread dedicated to this issue and its certainly not a small thread by any means. Nor is GT Planet alone in threads of this nature, a number of other forums I visit (many non gaming sites) have threads of an identical nature.

The PS3 (as many have already acknowledged) can overheat (so can my DVD recorder and Sky+ box), but does at least carry warning lights for an overheat. Details of all of which are quite clearly covered in the manual.

I see. As I'm sure you're aware, I own neither console. More on that later.

I would certainly not accuse you of being a 360 fanboy, I sure however that you would acknowledge you are hardly the biggest fan of Sony.

Sony's a company that I hate and love. Their products are built like rubbish, but I love my PS2 and consider it to be the best console of the sixth generation. And if I'm honest, the PSX was the best console of the fifth generation, although I only owned an N64.

The PSP was neat, and if I were a handheld gaming type of person, I'd probably own one. All of the dead pixels, the broken square button, the funked-up analog nub, the fear of dropping it from a height of 1 inch lest I break it, the faulty UMD drive and the 30-second battery life would be worth it for the plethora of portable driving games.

Sony's Playstation line, to me, is like Alfa Romeo -- lovable and exciting, but frustratingly unreliable. However, the PS3 is just too far out there. It's like a rotary-powered hydrogen-electric hybrid Alfa Romeo supercar that costs $600,000.

Yeah...I'd feel safer buying the cheaper (in the u.s., within the analogy) and more conventional -- if not perfectly reliable -- Ferrari 360.

- Spec for spec the 360 is more expensive in the UK (see below for "spec for spec." And it isn't in the u.s.)
- At launch games are as good as the 360 versions, as far as true potential goes, unless you are actually coding for both its a bit difficult to be quite so adamant on this one. But as far as disc storage capacity goes (which will become an issue) the PS3 has the 360 beat. (I haven't been able to find much info on the performance specs of the Cell, and with both processors running at 3.2GHz (according to Wikipedia), as well as an equal amount of RAM, I'm not convinced the PS3 has that much of an edge. Feel free to show me otherwise.)
- based on info found on the web that certainly does not appear to be generally true. Its no more prone to this than a large number of modern electric devices and unlike the 360 at least has a warning mode rather than just frying itself. (Note - I said "appears to be too prone to overheat and screw up." Seeing as how I don't have the luxury of owning one and have had my own overheating observation backed up by others online (albeit not everyone), I don't think my statement was out of line.)
- And you have used these have you? From my own experience the on-line is lag free and easy to use when gaming (yes Motorstorm did have server issues in PAL regions for the first two days after launch - which have been resolved now), as far as the shop goes its not that goofy at all and accessing stores from around the globe is easy to do. Home is also far more adventurous than anything MS has looked at with the Xbox or 360, now keep in mind that access to all of this is totally free. (Note - I said "has a yet-unproven and reportedly goofy online system." I can only go by what I hear, and it's not like I said "fundamentally flawed.")
- Ohh a new console using new technology. Sorry if that sounds a big sarcastic, but to be honest I would be a bit disappointed if a new console didn't use new technology. The 'built by Sony' part is also a bit of a give away, as you seem to have developed a complex about them as a company. The Sony products I have in my house have been extremely reliable and well built, and that includes my original PS and PS2 (both launch machines and both still working). (Can't say the same here, and my own observations are backed up by threads and posts around the internet (and GTP) regarding PS2 DREs, DS2 failure, and PSP flaws.)

- Not in the UK (Not much for me to say here other than "it's true in the u.s.")
- Unless a developer needs to fit a large amount of data on the disk. (I don't mind multi-DVD games, and I can't recall having seen any yet. It's not like storage space is a guarantee to a quality game.)
- Utter and complete rubbish, the 360 has a well documented issue with total unit failure, an issue that requires the console to be returned to MS for a replacement (often being replaced with a refurbished machine). An issue that 360 owners have expressed there opinions on both here at GT Planet and on numerous other forums. (As far as I knew the 360's problems occurred early on and had since been rectified. Plus, again, as a non-owner, the 360 kiosks I've seen haven't displayed so much as a bit of slowdown since early 2006, and my friends' 360s have been fine.)
- Uh see the red ring of death again (in the bullet you were responding to here, I was referring to physical failure from non-electrical means, such as accidental dropping, including the controllers, from personal observation)
- An argument that could be used for any console at launch or early in its life. The Wii had no titles that interested me at all at its launch, does that mean no good titles will follow? Of course not and it doesn't make the system a bad one. Let me ask you this, if Enthusia 2 was announced today as a PS3 exclusive would your opinion on this point change. (No. I'd still avoid the PS3. I'd just curse Konami for being stupid enough to stick around on the sinking ship.)

...spec a 360 to get close to the PS3 and its not only more expensive, but 40 gig short in the hard drive department.

I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing this up. "Spec a 360 to the PS3?" I know you aren't talking about replacing the CPU and GPU with faster ones -- I don't care about the non-essentials like a HD-DVD movie player. With the small size of my room, even wireless 360 controllers would be frivolous.

I understand where you are coming from, but using the "it didn't happen to me, nor did I see it happening, so it doesn't occur" excuse is an unacceptable excuse.

I'm not using that excuse. Drop the last part to get closer to what I'm saying -- "it didn't happen to me, nor did I see it happening."

I don't regard what I say as 100% fact. I'm just sharing my thoughts, observations and opinions on this whole "console war."

 

[Tornado]

(I haven't been able to find much info on the performance specs of the Cell, and with both processors running at 3.2GHz (according to Wikipedia), as well as an equal amount of RAM, I'm not convinced the PS3 has that much of an edge. Feel free to show me otherwise.)

How the RAM is used is the key. The 360 has 512MB shared. The PS3 has 512MB and 256 seperate for the GPU. Someone else can cover the Cell, as I'm not as familiar with that as I am with the RSX.

 

[TopHat]

Can I say something for a second?

The Elite seems to have the PS3 beat..... 120 gigs for another 79 bucks! HDMI too, and its still a good value, seeing as its 679 w/ the HD DVD drive add on. I'm with the 360 side of the argument now.


EDIT: So does this mean that its the better value all around?

 

[Swift]

I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing this up. "Spec a 360 to the PS3?" I know you aren't talking about replacing the CPU and GPU with faster ones -- I don't care about the non-essentials like a HD-DVD movie player. With the small size of my room, even wireless 360 controllers would be frivolous.

Uh, we keep bringing it up because that's how you compare technology. How else should we do it? Also, now we get to the heart of the matter. You're not arguing for an objective point of view but from a very personal. This is fine. But when you start saying that a game console is too expensive simply because some of the features don't apply to your specific situation, that's not fair to either console.

 

[Tornado]

EDIT: So does this mean that its the better value all around?

I wanna say yes (as either Microsoft is either blatantly overstating the price of the 120gig drive, or they are selling Elite's at a loss), but the lack of HD support (HDMI 1.2, for example) hurts it.
I've actually been wondering the answer to this myself, and have been waiting for someone to confirm or deny it (probably Digital-Nitrate).

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Haha, I have been waiting for the same thing.

 

[Joey D]

Uh, we keep bringing it up because that's how you compare technology. How else should we do it? Also, now we get to the heart of the matter. You're not arguing for an objective point of view but from a very personal. This is fine. But when you start saying that a game console is too expensive simply because some of the features don't apply to your specific situation, that's not fair to either console.

There is more to video games than the technology that it offers.

 

[Tornado]

There is more to video games than the technology that it offers.

If that was purely the case (and I do see your point, but this is just an example), I would still be playing Sega Mega Drives. Oh wait.

 

[Joey D]

Meh I still play my N64, 3DO (yes I have that), and Dreamcast. At times I find them more entertaining.

 

[Wolfe]

How the RAM is used is the key. The 360 has 512MB shared. The PS3 has 512MB and 256 seperate for the GPU. Someone else can cover the Cell, as I'm not as familiar with that as I am with the RSX.

The way I read it, both consoles have 512MB. The CPU and GPU of the 360 can access as much RAM as they need, while the Cell is limited to 256MB. The PS3's GPU can access all 512MB.

Uh, we keep bringing it up because that's how you compare technology. How else should we do it? Also, now we get to the heart of the matter. You're not arguing for an objective point of view but from a very personal. This is fine. But when you start saying that a game console is too expensive simply because some of the features don't apply to your specific situation, that's not fair to either console.

Let me clarify. Looking back at Scaff's "definition" for "speccing up," the external HD-DVD drive has nothing to do with games, and the wireless adapter is an expensive solution to a minor problem. An extra 40GB of Hard Drive space in most cases should be a non-issue unless you pirate a lot of games and load them from your hard drive. Plus, in all of this, you're not changing any of the core, essential parts, such as the graphics capabilities, online system, etc.

Sorry, but anyone who insists on adding an HD-DVD drive to a 360 in order to compare it to the PS3 isn't a gamer. And I know Scaff knows better than to not let go of that movie player.

If that was purely the case (and I do see your point, but this is just an example), I would still be playing Sega Mega Drives. Oh wait.

Hell, since the Wii is suffering from launchtitleitis just as badly as the PS3, I've barely touched it recently. Meanwhile, I play NES, SNES, GBA, Genesis, Neo Geo, and/or classic Arcade games on my computer almost every day.

 

[Scaff]

The same can be said about the PS3 then, just because people didn't have issues here doesn't mean they didn't happen? Am I'm right on this one?

I was just saying I haven't had a problem and most of the people I've talked to haven't either. The only person I think I know that had a problem bought his on launch day and those seemed to be buggy. Every launch system has had bugs, it's nothing new. I had quite a few issues with my PS2 that I bought on launch day.

Which is exactly why I looked at google results in this, expanding my search to the world rather than just GT Planet. The results were quite interesting, if the PS3 had even a moderate consumer issue regarding overheating, then I would have expected to see a search for "PS3 Overheating" give a top hit more up to date than Oct 2006. After all a "Xbox 360 Ring of Death" search got pieces on customer issues as recent as 1st April 2007.

Now as I've said before a lot of modern kit of this nature is prone to overheating problems, and keep in mind my posts were a direct reply to Wolfe's claim that the PS3 was more unreliable than the 360, something that does not appear to be borne out by anything that I can find.

Let me clarify. Looking back at Scaff's "definition" for "speccing up," the external HD-DVD drive has nothing to do with games, and the wireless adapter is an expensive solution to a minor problem. An extra 40GB of Hard Drive space in most cases should be a non-issue unless you pirate a lot of games and load them from your hard drive. Plus, in all of this, you're not changing any of the core, essential parts, such as the graphics capabilities, online system, etc.

Sorry but in this day and age disc storage capacity has everything to do with games, its for this very reason that companies moved from cartridges to CD-ROMs and from CD-ROMS to DVD-ROMs and now from DVD-ROMs to Blue-ray and HD-DVD. Even Nintendo had to finally give up on carts because of this very factor.

Wireless is a nice to have yes, but its a minor factor in comparing similar specification machines in terms of controllers. However wireless net access (and additional £60 in the UK for the 360) is a major factor for many people, including me, the location of my router is a major factor in this (and that for me would come into the area of the online system).

Yes you can get a core system 360 in the UK for around £200, but even that (for me) would have required the purchase of a wireless adaptor (£60) and a hard-drive (£70), totalling £330. Yes that is around £100 less than a PS3, but we are still short on the specification here, pop the HD-DVD drive on and again we are over the price of a PS3. Which ever way this is looked at I don't see your argument regarding spec.


As far as a 40gig difference in hard drive space goes, well I certainly intend to use it to the max, with the ability to install some title to the drive to reduce loading times, downloading movies trailers, demos, music and pictures I would rather have the extra capacity. Suggesting it can only be needed if you are going to pirate games is a low blow (and quite honestly below your normal standard of posting) and not even accurate.

Sorry, but anyone who insists on adding an HD-DVD drive to a 360 in order to compare it to the PS3 isn't a gamer. And I know Scaff knows better than to not let go of that movie player.

I simply fail to see how you don't get what I am saying here (as most other seem to) in order to compare two machines on a price basis you have to compare similar specification. If the 360 was still significantly cheaper than the PS3 when close on spec I would be more than happy to accept that the PS3 was the more expensive machine. However that simply is not the case in the UK. Like it or not the advantage of a larger storage disc format will be a factor in games, developers are already discussing it.

PS - By your definition I am not a gamer, guess what, I don't agree with you on that. Simply because I want to look at a like by like comparison of two machines (in terms of what you get for that money) has no bearing at all on my status as a gamer in any way, shape or form.


Regards

Scaff

 

[m7ammed]

US Xbox 360 = 399.99$
US HD-DVD Player=199.99 $
US Wifi USB = 99.99 $
US Play & charge kit = 19.99 $
Total = 719.96 $

ALL PRICES TAKEN FROM AMAZON.COM

Now considering the PS3 has 40 GB extra HD , Bluetooth ,connecting 7 controllers vs 4 (I play WE soccer and this is a much needed feature) and 3 card readers and HDMI support which the XBox 360 can never(until elite comes for teh HDMI & HD part) , the PS3 is actually cheaper even in the US. When we compare these consoles we are going to compare specs of both consoles , and seeing you get more with the PS3 for less money , and when elite comes its going to be

719.96+79.99 = 799.95 $

so the PS3 is cheaper by 200 $ than the elite which has 60GB more , but still missing card readers and bluetooth.

and lets not forget , to play online you have to pay 50$ ....as you can see the Xbox is not actually cheaper but more expinsive , and the people saying that the Xbox is actually cheaper have been fooled by MS marketing startegy , I bought an Xbox 360 thinking it was cheap but I had to buy the play & charge kit and I still havn't bought the WiFi (which limited me moving my Xbox vs using my PS3 in the living room) , I also had to buy 50$ card for Xbox live gold .

This for me is a Tech for Buck review ....

 

[Dead_Poetic]

US Xbox 360 = 399.99$
US HD-DVD Player=199.99 $
US Wifi USB = 99.99 $
US Play & charge kit = 19.99 $
Total = 719.96 $

ALL PRICES TAKEN FROM AMAZON.COM

Now considering the PS3 has 40 GB extra HD , Bluetooth ,connecting 7 controllers vs 4 (I play WE soccer and this is a much needed feature) and 3 card readers and HDMI support which the XBox 360 can never(until elite comes for teh HDMI & HD part) , the PS3 is actually cheaper even in the US. When we compare these consoles we are going to compare specs of both consoles , and seeing you get more with the PS3 for less money , and when elite comes its going to be

719.96+79.99 = 799.95 $

so the PS3 is cheaper by 200 $ than the elite which has 60GB more , but still missing card readers and bluetooth.

and lets not forget , to play online you have to pay 50$ ....as you can see the Xbox is not actually cheaper but more expinsive , and the people saying that the Xbox is actually cheaper have been fooled by MS marketing startegy , I bought an Xbox 360 thinking it was cheap but I had to buy the play & charge kit and I still havn't bought the WiFi (which limited me moving my Xbox vs using my PS3 in the living room) , I also had to buy 50$ card for Xbox live gold .

This for me is a Tech for Buck review ....

Good spec for spec review man. And dont forget, should you be worried of your 360 Overheating, you might want to throw in an intercooler--an extra 19.99 usd.

 

[Joey D]

Which is exactly why I looked at google results in this, expanding my search to the world rather than just GT Planet. The results were quite interesting, if the PS3 had even a moderate consumer issue regarding overheating, then I would have expected to see a search for "PS3 Overheating" give a top hit more up to date than Oct 2006. After all a "Xbox 360 Ring of Death" search got pieces on customer issues as recent as 1st April 2007.

Now as I've said before a lot of modern kit of this nature is prone to overheating problems, and keep in mind my posts were a direct reply to Wolfe's claim that the PS3 was more unreliable than the 360, something that does not appear to be borne out by anything that I can find.

You realize that the ring of death is more than just overheating right? Any time there is a problem with the Xbox it comes on. A lot of the overheating cases are due to people playing for 12+ hours in a single sitting and not having the thing properly ventilated. Anything will fail if it's in poor conditions.

But the Xbox shuts itself down if it gets to hot and if you wait it will start right back up. Many people do NOT realize this.

 

[Scaff]

You realize that the ring of death is more than just overheating right? Any time there is a problem with the Xbox it comes on. A lot of the overheating cases are due to people playing for 12+ hours in a single sitting and not having the thing properly ventilated. Anything will fail if it's in poor conditions.

But the Xbox shuts itself down if it gets to hot and if you wait it will start right back up. Many people do NOT realize this.

Yes I am fully aware that the 'ring of death' can indicate a number of different problems with the 360, from simple overheating to full system failure, which is exactly why I said my google part was far from scientific. However even if we ignore the number involved it does not change the actual contents the two searches throw up. The claimed PS3 overheating issues are almost exclusively related to the Tokyo Games Show, and searches on subjects such as PS3 Faults or PS3 failure does not produce results that point to a common and re-occurring problem that effects a wide number of machine. Which is totally contradictory to Wolfe's claim in regard to the PS3.


Regards

Scaff

 

[G.T]

One large advantage I think the PS3 has is the Blu-Ray player.

Games over the years have obviously been increasing in size considerably, so no doubt in 5 years time games will be starting to hit the limits of Blu-Ray's capacity. DVD will be left behind, unless some amazing compression is made. And, the fact that it's more future proof because it has abilities to play HD Audio and HD movies, they're all ready for you when they become affordable.

I also agree with the costs between the 360 and the PS3. The PS3 may seem expensive, but you get everything you need. The 360 you have to play online each year, the £60 wireless adapter, and a big £139 for the HD-DVD player, things like that. The PS3 has it all.

As with the overheating issues, I have no issues AT ALL, nor heard of any. I've left the console on for 5 days now, running that folding@home program, and it's not even warm. Only the right-side of the console is very warm, and the back is warm, but that's where the air outlets are. The rest of the console is cool. It's the 360 that has more issues...

 

[Joey D]

Google PS3 Bugs or PS3 problems, you'll come up with issues. You guys make it sound like the PS3 is problem free which it isn't. If googled the following terms you will see people did have problems, no launch system is perfect.

I'm well aware the 360 had issues but they are fixed now and if you go on to www.xbox.com the cases have dropped off quite a bit. The only people you see having problems is the people who bought them at launch. And MS saw this problem and gave people free replacements with no hassle what so ever. Seems a lot of people are impressed with the customer service that was offered.

 

[Scaff]

Google PS3 Bugs or PS3 problems, you'll come up with issues. You guys make it sound like the PS3 is problem free which it isn't. If googled the following terms you will see people did have problems, no launch system is perfect.

I'm well aware the 360 had issues but they are fixed now and if you go on to www.xbox.com the cases have dropped off quite a bit. The only people you see having problems is the people who bought them at launch. And MS saw this problem and gave people free replacements with no hassle what so ever. Seems a lot of people are impressed with the customer service that was offered.

And if you look back over all my posts on this subject you will quite clearly see that I have at no point implied that the PS3 has had no problems, no product will ever be 100% problem free.

I also stated a number of times how impressed I was with the manner in which MS dealt with the whole issue, my point was and always was a response to Wolfe's claim that the 360 is a significantly more reliable machine than the PS3, something that does not appear to be borne out in any way at all.


Regards

Scaff

 

[G.T]

You guys make it sound like the PS3 is problem free which it isn't

We're talking about overheating, not overall problems.

I could list a few problems with the machine (ie I've never seen anything attract so much dust), as nothing is perfect, but that's what we're not an about.

 

[land sea air]

Just to do a little test I moved my ps3 so it was on top our digital cable box, since the air outlets are on top thats the warmest part of the machine. I left the ps3 on over night folding and today over 12 hours later it was still folding away. It had also been on for about 12 hours before that folding and playing games. Now this is far from scientific but If someone here has a 360 and a standard Comcast digital box I want to see if we can somewhat duplicate this setting and see what happens. The PS3/cable box were in a large area of our small entertainment center with no extra equipment around, the thermostat in our small apartment is set at 70 degrees F which it pretty much maintains. Besides the cable box there were no other major heat sources close enough IMO to effect this "experiment". Since the 360 doesn't have something automated like folding that uses a lot of processing power the only problem would be to actually use the system long enough to be even close to what I had mine on for... Any thoughts?

 

[Wolfe]

Sorry but in this day and age disc storage capacity has everything to do with games, its for this very reason that companies moved from cartridges to CD-ROMs and from CD-ROMS to DVD-ROMs and now from DVD-ROMs to Blue-ray and HD-DVD. Even Nintendo had to finally give up on carts because of this very factor.

Ah, I see where the problem is, now. Scaff, 360 games aren't going to switch to HD-DVD. It's just a movie player.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18977

As far as a 40gig difference in hard drive space goes, well I certainly intend to use it to the max, with the ability to install some title to the drive to reduce loading times, downloading movies trailers, demos, music and pictures I would rather have the extra capacity.

You're just going to keep those trailers and demos?

Suggesting it can only be needed if you are going to pirate games is a low blow (and quite honestly below your normal standard of posting) and not even accurate.

That comment had nothing to do with you. It was a general statement.

I've only used 60 of my PC's hard drive's 80GB, and that's including many CD images and a DVD image or two (of varying legality), a general mp3 and video folder that takes up 20GB all by itself (much of it never listened to or watched), and several installations of games that I just don't play (including an flight simulator that has 5.3GB of scenery data).

Forgive me for wondering how someone could need an extra 40GB on a console that really doesn't need to have the stuff listed above. Aside from pirated games that can't be successfully burned to disc, I couldn't think of anything that requires such a huge amount of room.

I simply fail to see how you don't get what I am saying here (as most other seem to) in order to compare two machines on a price basis you have to compare similar specification. If the 360 was still significantly cheaper than the PS3 when close on spec I would be more than happy to accept that the PS3 was the more expensive machine. However that simply is not the case in the UK. Like it or not the advantage of a larger storage disc format will be a factor in games, developers are already discussing it.

See the beginning of this post.

PS - By your definition I am not a gamer, guess what, I don't agree with you on that. Simply because I want to look at a like by like comparison of two machines (in terms of what you get for that money) has no bearing at all on my status as a gamer in any way, shape or form.

I'm sorry, but you're mistaken on the HD-DVD player. Just forget I said that "not a gamer" thing.

 

[land sea air]

I could fill up the whole HDD of my ps3 with music if I wanted, after all its nicer having sound come through my TV set up than the computer speakers. What if you decide to instal Linux? I have a feeling those gigs will see more use as more downloadable games come out. Having a bigger HDD will be an advantage for most people.

 

[Scaff]

Ah, I see where the problem is, now. Scaff, 360 games aren't going to switch to HD-DVD. It's just a movie player.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18977

I'm sorry, but you're mistaken on the HD-DVD player. Just forget I said that "not a gamer" thing.

I freely admit to not being fully aware of that, so thanks for the link. What I don't see is how this in anyway weakens the PS3's case? Do you honestly not think that the lack of ability to use the space offered by HD-DVD for games may be an issue for developers?

Certainly as high-def graphics and sound evolve and developers better understand the systems that they may wish/need to take advantage of such a large storage volume. Yes I am aware of the argument that gameplay should be the principal draw of any title, but to dismiss the importance (even if just in marketing terms alone) of sound and visuals total is a mistake. I've heard a few people on other forums moan about the Wii when used with large Hi-Def TVs, apparently the visual aspect of the games can suffer to quite a degree.

You say you would have no issue with multi-disc games on a DVD-ROM format, but for certain types of game (such as GTA) this could well prove to be too much, as has been discussed in another thread. It would also remain to be seen if the general gaming public would be fine with this; two disc titles may be fine, but much more than that an I believe it would be an issue.

You're just going to keep those trailers and demos?

Some I may, most I will not. However it is nice to have the choice.

I've only used 60 of my PC's hard drive's 80GB, and that's including many CD images and a DVD image or two (of varying legality), a general mp3 and video folder that takes up 20GB all by itself (much of it never listened to or watched), and several installations of games that I just don't play (including an flight simulator that has 5.3GB of scenery data).

Forgive me for wondering how someone could need an extra 40GB on a console that really doesn't need to have the stuff listed above. Aside from pirated games that can't be successfully burned to disc, I couldn't think of anything that requires such a huge amount of room.

So because you would not use it makes it un-important for everyone?

In regard to the Video, Music and Pictures options, all are items that the PS3 will quite happily store, picking up from my data-stick quite happily. You see while you dismiss the drive size as un-needed (for you), I prefer to see it as additional space that I may use if I wish. After all a number of complete games are available to download, so not being forced into removing something just to free up space I get the choice.

And after all I got the 40 gig extra for less than the price of a 360 + HD-DVD + Wireless Adaptor, so I'm not going to moan about it. If its not that much of a big deal then why have MS just announced details of a 120 gig HD version of the 360? Seems they think its an issue.

To be totally honest what you seem to have actually outline is a series of reasons why you personally would not buy a PS3 (which is totally fine). Most of what appears to boil down to personal preferences, what I don't see is a fully formed argument about the reason why you believe the PS3 is not at the same level as the 360.


Regards

Scaff

 

[Matt R]

I see and understand the points made by everyone. But, I'm judging as the consoles compare today. TODAY, the XBox360 is leaps and bounds above the PS3 in terms of satisfaction. Why? The freaking games people. The games. Yeah, PS3 doesn't have that many. The 360 does though.

If anyone would like to argue the opinion I've set forth you are welcome.

Although the PS3 has been out for far less than the XBox360 I don't see why anyone as of TODAY can dispute the fact that Microsoft is the undisputed king of console gaming.

 

[land sea air]

I see and understand the points made by everyone. But, I'm judging as the consoles compare today. TODAY, the XBox360 is leaps and bounds above the PS3 in terms of satisfaction. Why? The freaking games people. The games. Yeah, PS3 doesn't have that many. The 360 does though.

If anyone would like to argue the opinion I've set forth you are welcome.

Although the PS3 has been out for far less than the XBox360 I don't see why anyone as of TODAY can dispute the fact that Microsoft is the undisputed king of console gaming.

I see where you're coming from and it is undeniable that the 360 has more games but it is also undeniable that it has been out far longer and most people in here are taking that into account when judging the two.

 

[Joey D]

I don't see how people are taking this into account. Everyone is pointing out flaws in the 360, mainly the lack of BluRay. As far as I know BluRay was very new at the time of the 360's release. Since they 360 is older, it's going to have slightly dated technology. If you are going to give lee way to the PS3 for not being out as long you must give lee way to the 360 for having a year's dated technology.

 

[livemusic]

The thing about the X360 HDD is that one of their models doesn't fit one. Developers can't take the HDD into account when making a game for the system since only the Premium model has one.

Oblivion for example, installs a pretty big file on the PS3's HDD to make the loadings faster. They could not do that to the X360 version because the core model owners wouldn't be able to use it.

So it's not just about the storage size, from a developer's point of view the X360 HDD is useless.

 

[land sea air]

The thing about the X360 HDD is that one of their models doesn't fit one. Developers can't take the HDD into account when making a game for the system since only the Premium model has one.

Oblivion for example, installs a pretty big file on the PS3's HDD to make the loadings faster. They could not do that to the X360 version because the core model owners wouldn't be able to use it.

So it's not just about the storage size, from a developer's point of view the X360 HDD is useless.

I believe that is the reason that they aren't able to use the HDDVD drive as well