Poll Video of Webber Vettel Crash

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Did Webber move right to left at 0:15 in video

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Video on the Left Vettle: In the video at 0:15 did Webber go right and then left? Now the question is specific to just that not anything else. Not pushing Vettle to the grass not Webber hitting Vettel or Vettel hitting Webber. Just what Webber was doing starting from 0:15 to 0:18 in the video. Thats all.

Video on the Right Webber: 0:10 shows when Webber turns his wheel left to put the squeeze on Vettle
 
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Happens so fast but yes I think Vettel looked/feinted/deked/faked right, Mark moved right to block, which he is allowed to do-defend his position, and then Vettel went left; Mark did 'squeeze' Vettel left, (I think to make Vettel back off as the left is not the best line approaching the corner I think). Also why Vettel had the 'need' to get back to the right to make the pass and be lined up for the corner, only Mark was there!

I definitely had to watch the video a few times, so it is easy to imagine how it can be misread from Mark/Sebs cockpit during the race. And hindsight is 20/20 eh!

P.S. If you check your video you will see Sebastian's last name is Vettel :)
 
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BlacqueJacques
Happens so fast but yes I think Vettel looked/feinted/deked/faked right, Mark moved right to block, which he is allowed to do-defend his position, and then Vettel went left (not the best line approaching the corner I think) and thus his 'need' to get back to the right to make the pass and be lined up for the corner, only Mark was there!

I definitely had to watch the video a few times, so it is easy to imagine how it can be misread from Mark/Sebs cockpit during the race.

P.S. If you check your video you will see Sebastian's last name is Vettel :)
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You missed the question. Did Webber move left after the block to the right? and click on the poll for your answer too please. :)
 
Radracing
You missed the question. Did Webber move left after the block to the right? and click on the poll for your answer too please. :)
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Did Webber block to the right?

I think the movement of Kettle's car/camera is all you can see. Webber stayed true, Vettel swerved, initially right, then left for the attempted pass and then right and into Webber's car.
 
If you check/watch pavement in relation to cars I think Webber moved right to block Seb's feint. At first, I thought it was due to Seb's (Kettle's :lol: a Freudian slip perhaps as Seb calling the Kettle black as I watched the old rain behind safety car 'punt') car camera moving, but after watching a few times (see my earlier post).................
 
Fastas
Did Webber block to the right?

I think the movement of Kettle's car/camera is all you can see. Webber stayed true, Vettel swerved, initially right, then left for the attempted pass and then right and into Webber's car.
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Look again when you see Vettel going for the right side of Webber, Webber swerves to the right thats when Vettle dove into Webbers left. Again did Webber move back to the left? That's the key question in poll. Video between 0:15 to 0:18 you have to run it over a little to see whats going on. and then click on the poll.
 
What if he did? He was going on the regular racing line (Which coming out of the kink, moves naturally the the right of the track for turn 12). All drivers turn right out of a right hand bend, especially when the following corner is a left. :rolleyes:

Then he saw Vettel in his mirrors and moved left to maintain a central line to block him. Like Famine says, a textbook manoevre.
 
Seismica
What if he did? He was going on the regular racing line (Which coming out of the kink, moves naturally the the right of the track for turn 12). All drivers turn right out of a right hand bend, especially when the following corner is a left. :rolleyes:

Then he saw Vettel in his mirrors and moved left to maintain a central line to block him. Like Famine says, a textbook manoevre.
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Just checking the facts 'cuz Famine said Webber parked it right in the middle and stayed on course. So you have to look at the video and decide for yourself and do the poll. :nervous:
 
Why, if you want to find out what Webber did, have you provided a video from Vettel's car? :confused:



My take is Vettel turned into Webber. Webber is not at fault. Webber gave Vettel enough room at all times.

EDIT: Didn't answer the poll as it's irrelevant due to the fact that Vettel always had enough room.
 
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He moved left into the middle and stayed on course. You're correct in that he moved a little to the left (moved, not swerved). Famine is correct as Webber, having moved left, stayed in the middle and on a straight course. It's still entirely Vettel's fault.
 
I shall vote for "No, he didn't!", I don't think Webber moved right and then left when Vettel tried to overtake him at 0:15 in the video, rather Vettel did veer the car to the light and left to run just behind him(To use the "Slip Stream" and then he got out of it as he had already utilized it sufficiently to prepare to pass him) His cockpit view was shaking so it looked like Webber did so in my opinion.
 
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This is completely irrelevant to the incident, as people have said. If Webber did "swerve" from right to left, he is not doing anything wrong as he has made 1 change of direction to defend his position. The move to the right was purely following the racing line, and the move to the left was in defense of his line - from that point on he was keeping it straight and steady as he should do to allow Vettel to pass while keeping pressure on him.
Passing in racing is all about predictability, if you move all over the place unpredictably, you are impossible to pass but it becomes very unfair and dangerous. This is why we have "racing ettiquette" where weaving is shamed and a focus on careful and considerate driving is upheld. Webber reacted predictably though aggressive. Vettel did not, how could anyone have thought he would do anything but continue straight when he is still passing the other driver?

Can we also spell Vettel's name properly too? I think despite being an idiot he deserves to have his name spelt properly :lol:.
 
Look at where Webber is on the track, coming over a crest, in a 700+HP car with no traction control, that weighs about 500kg, it's not inconceivable to have a bit of a wiggle anyway. ;)
However, looking at the video, he goes out to the kerb, and then starts to drift to the right and then keeps doing so, though not so much as to leave a gap.
Vettel, however, first dives right which also makes Webber's car look as though it's jerking left from the shaky camera, and then Vettel quickly jerks back left, goes alongside, and turns into Webber before he's clearly past.

I don't see how Webber has done anything wrong by maintaining a straightline unless he was specifically told to move over by his team, or he & Vettel had some sort of wacky pre-race agreement that he'd let the German past him. :boggled:
 
Yes, now looking at the Webber video it's only 0:12 to 0:13 that showed Vettle moving over until contact so I guess 1 second is not enough time to react to Vettle's intention of moving over. So contact was imminent.:guilty:
 
Radracing
Yes, now looking at the Webber video it's only 0:12 to 0:13 that showed Vettle moving over until contact so I guess 1 second is not enough time to react to Vettle's intention of moving over. So contact was imminent.:guilty:
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1, 2, 3...

It's Vettel!

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Sorry, It's still both their fault as I stated earlier. As teamates you are to avoid contact Vettle shouldn't have move too soon to assume Webber was going to pull to the right and Webber for pressuring Vettle when he got past should have just gone to the right after he saw him pass. Still a racing incident and that's racing folks. Oh, Smallhorses the question is still "Did Webber move left after he tried to move right to block Vettle?" Yes or No

Off topic: Nick did you get my text message about the next LAN? I want to pull another Vettle on you. :sly:
 
It's a public poll, so you can already see how I voted. ;)

Yes I got your message, I never reply to texts unless it's really necessary as we get chewed out for text messaging as our company neglected to purchase a text plan! :rolleyes:
I'd prefer if you PMd me here or emailed me instead.
I'll have a think about it. I've got rather a lot on my plate at the moment.

Oh, and Ramno it's Vettel, again. :p

Radracing
I want to pull another Vettle on you. :sly:
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Yeah, you well and truly "Vetteled" me on numerous occasions last LAN, it's a good job the GT4 cars don't break as easily as the RBRs! :lol: Next time we're going to try and keep your "Vetteling" under control! :sly:
 
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I can't answer the poll, since I don't know who this "Vettle" is. I know who Vettel is though, just not Vettle.
 
Sorry, again Vettel, shmettle, kettle. The guy that crashed into Webbre. You know who I'm talking about. :dopey:
 
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I'll post the same video here as I did in the Turkey GP thread:




Look at how Schumacher takes the central line. Hamilton goes down the outside. Schumacher squeezes him out on the exit.

Exactly the same happened in Turkey with the Red Bulls. Except Vettel chose the inside line and made a hash of it.

As Famine keeps telling you, what Webber did was textbook defending.

Obviously when they began to turn in Webber would have had to give room. The simple fact is Vettel moved over far too soon. (He had no need to move over at all to be honest, he had the inside to get the apex for turn 12. He could have ran wide out of 12 to squeeze Webber out).
 
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astrosdude91
I can't answer the poll, since I don't know who this "Vettle" is. I know who Vettel is though, just not Vettle.
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You obviously can't read either, the question in the poll doesn't even mention Vettel, smarty pants. :dunce:

To the OP, is their any reason why you still haven't corrected the title?
 
When Hamilton, and Button in Barcelona, were trying to get past Schumacher they, unlike Vettel, knew not to take the kamikaze easily defended route up the inside. Button and Hamilton both knew they weren't going to benefit from going up the inside.


Yes, I know Hamilton got past up the inside, but he was past right at the start of the straight
 
daan
Yes, I know Hamilton got past up the inside, but he was past right at the start of the straight
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He got past on the outside really :D Schumacher was in his slipstream and went back under him up the inside. Hamilton had the outside line into the corner.
 
The poll should be whose fault it was, and it was all Vettel.:p
 
daan
When Hamilton, and Button in Barcelona, were trying to get past Schumacher they, unlike Vettel, knew not to take the kamikaze easily defended route up the inside. Button and Hamilton both knew they weren't going to benefit from going up the inside.


Yes, I know Hamilton got past up the inside, but he was past right at the start of the straight
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There was nothing really wrong with where Vettel was passing there. Overtaking on the inside into Turn 12 is a common move, and he could have defeated Webber's defense going into the corner with some demon braking and clever use of the line into Turn 13 and then Turn 14 to keep ahead.

It wasn't really kamikaze at all, the turn right into Webber was kamikaze.
 

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